QR finally pay rise !
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It's not revenge, it is just the way it works. You expect rules and efficiency of your own country but you're in a foreign country.
Can you give an example of the promises which have not been kept?
Just how big is the pilot shortage, I am interested to know just what you have the figure as.
Can you give an example of the promises which have not been kept?
Just how big is the pilot shortage, I am interested to know just what you have the figure as.
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'It is just the way it works?'
If so, why do you complain about europeans, when you are a foreigner in Europe? Remember:
Figure about pilot shortage? I asked the number of grounded planes Migu. Maybe you know it.
Why do some people generally take the bad/worst options for pilots as example from other airlines? Would this not affect you guys also? Why not taking the best option for both parties to create a win/win situation?
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It is just the way it works. You expect rules and efficiency of your own country but you're in a foreign country.
Why do some people generally take the bad/worst options for pilots as example from other airlines? Would this not affect you guys also? Why not taking the best option for both parties to create a win/win situation?
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So, just pack and go??? apparently some people do not understand how the work, life, job,family . You can not just take off it takes a very big logistics.
This is one reason why we can not take things just easy, and accept everything they throw at you. Apparently the amount of prostitution in our colleagues is a lot, like the guys who will take off from a good family and friends meeting to fly on a day off and get paid extra money....you and your family deserve a life...
I strongly recommend that if the ticket issue affects you talk to any of your CPF's, or send an email on a respectful and direct manner, believe it or not a couple of things have turned around after discussion, maybe some of you are new on the company but they come very close to remove housing allowance and send everybody in guantanamo (ain khaled) or Fungus (holliday) villas, but after the amount of people whia had invested in zig zag or the pearl properties they backed up...
Just an opinion from an experienced expat, not just any punk who is happy they give him away a poorly trained A320 type rating and he feels he is better than any other regional pilot in EU or US
This is one reason why we can not take things just easy, and accept everything they throw at you. Apparently the amount of prostitution in our colleagues is a lot, like the guys who will take off from a good family and friends meeting to fly on a day off and get paid extra money....you and your family deserve a life...
I strongly recommend that if the ticket issue affects you talk to any of your CPF's, or send an email on a respectful and direct manner, believe it or not a couple of things have turned around after discussion, maybe some of you are new on the company but they come very close to remove housing allowance and send everybody in guantanamo (ain khaled) or Fungus (holliday) villas, but after the amount of people whia had invested in zig zag or the pearl properties they backed up...
Just an opinion from an experienced expat, not just any punk who is happy they give him away a poorly trained A320 type rating and he feels he is better than any other regional pilot in EU or US
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Eye off the ball ... you are absolutely correct and you have to admit that the grass is always greener ...!
On the other hand I would like to have management concentrated about creating revenue in order to avoid bankrupt and furlough (common practice in EU and in US).
Having said that there are greener pasture in the gulf region, but whatever is the reason why whiners keep staying where there are is because they don't have a better option/offer. And you'll see how many will pack and leave in the next months.
Perfect organizations do not exist! Money cannot solve problems, although it's a very good way to put a smile in your face (for how long is an other issue). Like every other organization, QR is made by people and it's practically impossible for a one person alone run such a show! So blame also your respective chain of command!
On the other hand I would like to have management concentrated about creating revenue in order to avoid bankrupt and furlough (common practice in EU and in US).
Having said that there are greener pasture in the gulf region, but whatever is the reason why whiners keep staying where there are is because they don't have a better option/offer. And you'll see how many will pack and leave in the next months.
Perfect organizations do not exist! Money cannot solve problems, although it's a very good way to put a smile in your face (for how long is an other issue). Like every other organization, QR is made by people and it's practically impossible for a one person alone run such a show! So blame also your respective chain of command!
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QRA320 is not smoking something illegal, he is correct.
New company wide policy asks all employees to pay for any training that costs over 5000QR. They will deduct a certain amount of your salary for a certain amount of time, and refund you the money without intrest if you are still hjere at the end of the period.
Example for type rating:
Cost 130000QR
Period: 2 years
3 years seniority: Gives you 80% of amount to pay.
24 months X 4333QAR = 104000QAR. If still here after 24 months this money will get re-imbursed!
New company wide policy asks all employees to pay for any training that costs over 5000QR. They will deduct a certain amount of your salary for a certain amount of time, and refund you the money without intrest if you are still hjere at the end of the period.
Example for type rating:
Cost 130000QR
Period: 2 years
3 years seniority: Gives you 80% of amount to pay.
24 months X 4333QAR = 104000QAR. If still here after 24 months this money will get re-imbursed!
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Kafkatar,
Can you please tell me where the reference for this new policy is and when it is effective from, does it apply to command courses too? How is it to be implemented?
Thanks
Can you please tell me where the reference for this new policy is and when it is effective from, does it apply to command courses too? How is it to be implemented?
Thanks
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Yes, it's a rumor network, but true ones.....
The new bond will be out soon after they manage to understand how many people they can count on for fleet transfer, command upgrade and so on....Definately after 30th of june which is the end date for fleet bid...
Bond on any fleet transfer, 50% paid by the pilot, also applicable to command upgrade.....SHAME ON YOU!!!
I don't know why they hates us pilots so much , or if all these things they do to us are to be considered as an expression of deep inability to rule management positions...
In any case only those who cannot go anywhere else are saying "thanks boss". All others are more and more committed to go somewhere else as soon as possible.
BSB
The new bond will be out soon after they manage to understand how many people they can count on for fleet transfer, command upgrade and so on....Definately after 30th of june which is the end date for fleet bid...
Bond on any fleet transfer, 50% paid by the pilot, also applicable to command upgrade.....SHAME ON YOU!!!
I don't know why they hates us pilots so much , or if all these things they do to us are to be considered as an expression of deep inability to rule management positions...
In any case only those who cannot go anywhere else are saying "thanks boss". All others are more and more committed to go somewhere else as soon as possible.
BSB
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This is the straw that has broken the camel’s back.
The new bonding policy has taken effect since the 1st of June but has been kept secret from the crews. All crews that are doing any training from June 1st might be bonded. It is a case of total lack of respect of the work force to bring in a policy like this and keep it secret.
My respect for the CFOO and CPF is nil.
If they think this will reduce the number of people leaving the airline, they are truly fools. People are leaving because of actions like this - a total lack of respect for the pilot group. If QR wants to retain their pilots and have the pilot group respect the management, the management will have to treat the pilot group with some respect. It is a two way street.
I have been here for over 7 years and have been suffering from a case of Stockholm Syndrome over the last few years. The slap in the face of the less than adequate pay rise, loss of tickets to my home town and now bonding for any training cost of over 5000 QR has woken me up. Time to total the logbook and update the CV. I have told the family we will be out of here by Christmas, the wife is the happiest I have seen in years. Life is short, too short to be treated like this.
Every year QR loses more pilots than the year before, because of the way they treat us. It looks like QR will lose about 15% of it pilot workforce this year (maybe more because of this new policy).
A happy workforce is a productive and efficient. An unhappy workforce will cost you money anyway they can out of spite. It is human nature. If you let the company walk on you over this matter, you will be their doormat forever.
The new bonding policy has taken effect since the 1st of June but has been kept secret from the crews. All crews that are doing any training from June 1st might be bonded. It is a case of total lack of respect of the work force to bring in a policy like this and keep it secret.
My respect for the CFOO and CPF is nil.
If they think this will reduce the number of people leaving the airline, they are truly fools. People are leaving because of actions like this - a total lack of respect for the pilot group. If QR wants to retain their pilots and have the pilot group respect the management, the management will have to treat the pilot group with some respect. It is a two way street.
I have been here for over 7 years and have been suffering from a case of Stockholm Syndrome over the last few years. The slap in the face of the less than adequate pay rise, loss of tickets to my home town and now bonding for any training cost of over 5000 QR has woken me up. Time to total the logbook and update the CV. I have told the family we will be out of here by Christmas, the wife is the happiest I have seen in years. Life is short, too short to be treated like this.
Every year QR loses more pilots than the year before, because of the way they treat us. It looks like QR will lose about 15% of it pilot workforce this year (maybe more because of this new policy).
A happy workforce is a productive and efficient. An unhappy workforce will cost you money anyway they can out of spite. It is human nature. If you let the company walk on you over this matter, you will be their doormat forever.
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Emblematic of a Society in Decay
Unfortunately, quite a number of people were cheering when they heard the announcement of the pay rise. Like I said in my previous post, MONEY will not change the mind of someone who wants to leave QR. It may delay the inevitable, eventually, (Like Greece, who will eventually default), they will leave!
This is because they are treating symptoms and not the problem. The cancer which is eating up the country is symbolised and epitomised by QR.
The lack of respect, the total disregard for proper norms of decency, they treat everyone like "slaves" (where is CNN in their modern day slavery series?) They still require exit permits for workers to leave (North Korea., Cuba!! Ring a Bell), their archaic rules on "sponsorship", their total lack of transparency in their dealings, (FIFA) and their stoic belief that with money they can have their way!
Unfortunately, that attitude is pervasive not just in the country but in QR! And unfortunately that is not about to change. Some of the leaders in the country are trying, but unfortunately it is almost an impossible process. There will be people who will come to replace the pilots that leave, of different levels of experience and from different strata of society.
But one thing that QR should not forget is the basic principle of what goes around must come around. Today they have their way, treating their staff with utter shabbiness! They will lose good people, and so will the country. And finally, maybe not in my lifetime, but when the last drop of oil is squeezed out of the ground, and the last sniffer of gas escapes their earthly bounds, everyone will pack up, and leave them to their castles in the sand, their camels, and their archaic medieval life style.
People who see QR for what it really is, will call it out for what really is. The slave ships (and that is what all those middle east carriers are, even though some have tried to improve on that image, but we all know that is what they are! look at their major destinations, Indian sub continent, phillipines, Indonesia etc) will eventually rot away in the sand and they will be left wondering what went wrong. They have only themselves to blame.
Maybe they will wake up and realise before it is too late, maybe they wont. But I am not holding my breathe. The courageous pilots of QR, walk and hold your chins high up. Stand up for respect. Demand it. You may not get it but at least you showed you have "cohunous". Change is difficult, but other opportunities are opening up. Dont stand and be treated the way QR treats you. Enough said.
For those who have ears, let them hear!
This is because they are treating symptoms and not the problem. The cancer which is eating up the country is symbolised and epitomised by QR.
The lack of respect, the total disregard for proper norms of decency, they treat everyone like "slaves" (where is CNN in their modern day slavery series?) They still require exit permits for workers to leave (North Korea., Cuba!! Ring a Bell), their archaic rules on "sponsorship", their total lack of transparency in their dealings, (FIFA) and their stoic belief that with money they can have their way!
Unfortunately, that attitude is pervasive not just in the country but in QR! And unfortunately that is not about to change. Some of the leaders in the country are trying, but unfortunately it is almost an impossible process. There will be people who will come to replace the pilots that leave, of different levels of experience and from different strata of society.
But one thing that QR should not forget is the basic principle of what goes around must come around. Today they have their way, treating their staff with utter shabbiness! They will lose good people, and so will the country. And finally, maybe not in my lifetime, but when the last drop of oil is squeezed out of the ground, and the last sniffer of gas escapes their earthly bounds, everyone will pack up, and leave them to their castles in the sand, their camels, and their archaic medieval life style.
People who see QR for what it really is, will call it out for what really is. The slave ships (and that is what all those middle east carriers are, even though some have tried to improve on that image, but we all know that is what they are! look at their major destinations, Indian sub continent, phillipines, Indonesia etc) will eventually rot away in the sand and they will be left wondering what went wrong. They have only themselves to blame.
Maybe they will wake up and realise before it is too late, maybe they wont. But I am not holding my breathe. The courageous pilots of QR, walk and hold your chins high up. Stand up for respect. Demand it. You may not get it but at least you showed you have "cohunous". Change is difficult, but other opportunities are opening up. Dont stand and be treated the way QR treats you. Enough said.
For those who have ears, let them hear!
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Pay rise
Regarding the salary increase, since it says applicable from June 1st and will show on July payroll...does it mean that on the next pay check we will see the normal salary increase for July AND what they owe us for June??...
Any thoughts? I know it will be all clear when the July salary is here but it would be nice to know a month in advance what to expect.
Thanks,
JJ
Any thoughts? I know it will be all clear when the July salary is here but it would be nice to know a month in advance what to expect.
Thanks,
JJ
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"They are treating symptoms not the problem" 
The recent introduction of bond and salary deduction for new joiners is a perfect exemple, because they have lost a lot of money with people who jumpship..
So Now instead of trying to solve the real problem: " WHY do people jumpship here??", they prefer to penalize any new joiners!!!
Did they solve the problem:NO.
Just Make the people happy,treat them like human and respect them,they won't jumpship!!
The recent introduction of bond and salary deduction for new joiners is a perfect exemple, because they have lost a lot of money with people who jumpship..
So Now instead of trying to solve the real problem: " WHY do people jumpship here??", they prefer to penalize any new joiners!!!
Did they solve the problem:NO.
Just Make the people happy,treat them like human and respect them,they won't jumpship!!
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the bond is only for new joiners..doesnt involve fleet transfer or command upgrade..pay 50% of the bond over 18 months salary deduction and will be returned back to the new joiners once 36 months is over.
this is introduced to avoid new joiners with no rating making use of QR to get the rating and resigning when they have 1000 hours on type...many did that...as a company its a lost investment...this new method is good to my knowledge...however better method of including this with a pilot provident fund would be good in retaining pilots...
its a good start and hopefully many more new and good thing would come to QR....ps...the salary deduction of staff travel is fantastic...now i can buy and pay anytime of the day.....
this is introduced to avoid new joiners with no rating making use of QR to get the rating and resigning when they have 1000 hours on type...many did that...as a company its a lost investment...this new method is good to my knowledge...however better method of including this with a pilot provident fund would be good in retaining pilots...
its a good start and hopefully many more new and good thing would come to QR....ps...the salary deduction of staff travel is fantastic...now i can buy and pay anytime of the day.....
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Indianace...
Why do people use Qr to get the rating,some experience and then leave or jumpship,why they don't stay here???
The problem should be tackled from the base!
Why do people use Qr to get the rating,some experience and then leave or jumpship,why they don't stay here???
The problem should be tackled from the base!
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Guys, this new bond policy, we all know it's no solution and it's only putting off others who are disgussed by what this company does to force their people to stay.
Will it really attract the people they need?
The new payrise that they didn't want to pay when it really should have been paid, did it really make people change their minds and not quite?
Will a very slow trainning dept. of low quality, a truly unefficient, corrupt and unproductive rostering department and having extremely unefficient flighttime planning, make the pilots stay?
Planes will be grounded, is what I am saying.
Will it really attract the people they need?
The new payrise that they didn't want to pay when it really should have been paid, did it really make people change their minds and not quite?
Will a very slow trainning dept. of low quality, a truly unefficient, corrupt and unproductive rostering department and having extremely unefficient flighttime planning, make the pilots stay?
Planes will be grounded, is what I am saying.
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Bond repay starts when? During line training
HI Guys,
Does this bond repayment for 18 months begin once the Type Rating is completed or once the Line training is completed and signed off the Line check?
I ask as what about fast track second officers (80 sector avg for line training)? The 2nd officer basic is $2600. and taking off the Bond is $1388, so remaining is: $1212. What about current loans too pay off also.
Hopefully bond repayments start when PASS the Line Check!
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks Guys!
Does this bond repayment for 18 months begin once the Type Rating is completed or once the Line training is completed and signed off the Line check?
I ask as what about fast track second officers (80 sector avg for line training)? The 2nd officer basic is $2600. and taking off the Bond is $1388, so remaining is: $1212. What about current loans too pay off also.
Hopefully bond repayments start when PASS the Line Check!
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks Guys!
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HI Guys,
Does this bond repayment for 18 months begin once the Type Rating is completed or once the Line training is completed and signed off the Line check?
I ask as what about fast track second officers (80 sector avg for line training)? The 2nd officer basic is $2600. and taking off the Bond is $1388, so remaining is: $1212. What about current loans too pay off also.
Hopefully bond repayments start when PASS the Line Check!
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks Guys!
Does this bond repayment for 18 months begin once the Type Rating is completed or once the Line training is completed and signed off the Line check?
I ask as what about fast track second officers (80 sector avg for line training)? The 2nd officer basic is $2600. and taking off the Bond is $1388, so remaining is: $1212. What about current loans too pay off also.
Hopefully bond repayments start when PASS the Line Check!
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks Guys!
So to me that means the deductions start from day one! Also there is no mention of finishing type rating/line check in the memo further confirming my suspicions
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pipe rider..i am here not to bash,just to add what i know and how i feel..its individual...loc22550..i agree many comes and leaves with nice rating...why...because again its individual...whatever benefits themself...
as from the company..yes i agree again with you loc22550..many things could be done...but i been here few years now and changes and betterment coming slowly but surely....not fast enough for some...
as for the bond its only for new joiners and if QR is getting enough qualified and quality pilots or not OR if planes are grounded thats for the company to worry about..not for us ...for all of us..my sincere wishes enjoy flying and be merry always...
as from the company..yes i agree again with you loc22550..many things could be done...but i been here few years now and changes and betterment coming slowly but surely....not fast enough for some...
as for the bond its only for new joiners and if QR is getting enough qualified and quality pilots or not OR if planes are grounded thats for the company to worry about..not for us ...for all of us..my sincere wishes enjoy flying and be merry always...