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Che, you seem a bit sensitive about the halfbrain comment made for the intending DEC embraer pilot. Apologies for any inferred insult to those of you who remain in GF and enjoy it. I am really pleased that it is for you. It was not for me. My mate, who I referred to, is not a Ppruner but loved every second of his 17 years there. He too, has a full brain. It was for him. He is sad by his treatment on departure and would warn others to be wary upon departure.
To Ironbutts.good grief man, no-one bumped from LHS ??? Oh, even with my short service but an axe to grind, I could give you a L O N G list ! Not for me to name other people but do wake up buddy & be very careful.
The other guy who suggesting you take up grievences the "official way ". Boy, ask the ....L O N G list of guys who tried that and wound up "marked" men ! Read 40&80's post again. Not much change.
My advice remains static. Do the job, enjoy, sign the Tech log & go play. Do not look for anything else. We are like prostitutes. We do this for money. Oh, and do not, for heavens sake, get a golden falcon tatooed on your bum like another one of my mates, he regrets that every time he drops his kacks ! And, yeah, he did leave & has never looked back..except at his tatoo !! Cheers Gents.
To Ironbutts.good grief man, no-one bumped from LHS ??? Oh, even with my short service but an axe to grind, I could give you a L O N G list ! Not for me to name other people but do wake up buddy & be very careful.
The other guy who suggesting you take up grievences the "official way ". Boy, ask the ....L O N G list of guys who tried that and wound up "marked" men ! Read 40&80's post again. Not much change.
My advice remains static. Do the job, enjoy, sign the Tech log & go play. Do not look for anything else. We are like prostitutes. We do this for money. Oh, and do not, for heavens sake, get a golden falcon tatooed on your bum like another one of my mates, he regrets that every time he drops his kacks ! And, yeah, he did leave & has never looked back..except at his tatoo !! Cheers Gents.
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Post 17....Yes I was on a G contract.
Do tell me the advantages over the N contract if any?
Tell me more about the other sweet sum I did not get on the last day?
I did live like a poor church mouse...I saved and invested and it did pay off in my case mainly because most investments worked and the proceeds were tax free
and soon exceeded my Salary.
My L1011 F/o salary was BD 3600 a YEAR in 1976....but the perks were good
I have sent you a more detailed PM.
I love the Golden Falcon idea in the above post.
Do tell me the advantages over the N contract if any?
Tell me more about the other sweet sum I did not get on the last day?
I did live like a poor church mouse...I saved and invested and it did pay off in my case mainly because most investments worked and the proceeds were tax free
and soon exceeded my Salary.
My L1011 F/o salary was BD 3600 a YEAR in 1976....but the perks were good
I have sent you a more detailed PM.
I love the Golden Falcon idea in the above post.
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Waiting for that list land flap, since I've been here no Captain has been sent back to the right seat for other than disciplinary reasons....people seated as capts remained so...enlighten me if I'm wrong....
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Great news!
Gulfair pilot recruitment department is apparently inundated with resumés from around the world to fill these direct entry E-Jets positions.
Housing department is finalizing the setup of a housing complex down south to cope with the influx of new joiners.
Gulfair pilot recruitment department is apparently inundated with resumés from around the world to fill these direct entry E-Jets positions.
Housing department is finalizing the setup of a housing complex down south to cope with the influx of new joiners.
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Yo, fabbo. Great sense of humour but you might ruffle the feathers of Ironbutts who has probably put his name down for the lead tent & welcomes GF's outstanding economic awareness in providing DEC's with top of the range accommodation ! Sticking with the thread (a lot of you guys get very easily lost & mis-led), my advice to the DEC embraer guy was..DONT.. ! But, if it serves YOUR needs, go ! We are aviation tarts. Go & get paid, get laid too if you are lucky. For every guy like IB, Che, sale-e (well, that is three) who can see nothing but excellence (because it suits them), there will be many more who disagree.
GF has gone steadily down hill from being a top class, world routes, National carrier to not much more than a two-bit regional operator. Totally inept management, totally corrupt & if you three think it is so great, pop along to the Emirates Road show in your own back yard and ask yourselves why so many are looking over their shoulders. Oh yeah, and there is the matter of steady losses without any sign of a turnround. Pardon me for advising DEC to look again, very hard.
Read 40&80 again, and again.Very valuable post which says it all. Read mine again, and I say it again, if it serves you well, it is good for you. It was not for me for my selfish purposes but I guess I liked it enough to constantly read these posts & see how it is getting on.
Good for you three & , I am sure, others who do like it. The majority of us, though, got out.
Good luck Sale e. I know stacks who have been there longer & still awaiting the call. See, it is working for you but not for all. Get the idea ?
GF has gone steadily down hill from being a top class, world routes, National carrier to not much more than a two-bit regional operator. Totally inept management, totally corrupt & if you three think it is so great, pop along to the Emirates Road show in your own back yard and ask yourselves why so many are looking over their shoulders. Oh yeah, and there is the matter of steady losses without any sign of a turnround. Pardon me for advising DEC to look again, very hard.
Read 40&80 again, and again.Very valuable post which says it all. Read mine again, and I say it again, if it serves you well, it is good for you. It was not for me for my selfish purposes but I guess I liked it enough to constantly read these posts & see how it is getting on.
Good for you three & , I am sure, others who do like it. The majority of us, though, got out.
Good luck Sale e. I know stacks who have been there longer & still awaiting the call. See, it is working for you but not for all. Get the idea ?
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For every guy like IB, Che, sale-e (well, that is three) who can see nothing but excellence (because it suits them), there will be many more who disagree.
Good luck Sale e. I know stacks who have been there longer & still awaiting the call. See, it is working for you but not for all. Get the idea ?
Totally inept management, totally corrupt
I think those who enjoy it here, of which I am one, are the ones who are oblivious to the goings on at the pink palace and actually have a life outside the airline. All I am interested in is the security of the job.
Regardless of the airlines financial condition and internal politics which I have neither involvement nor interest nor control of, job security is there, excellent pay is there, a professional work environment is there, good standards are there, and most importantly a great lifestyle is there.
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"Guys getting Command have been there for at least 5 years". Sale-e seems to have bettered that. I do respect your later post though. It must be irritating to all of you who have decided to stay to feel that you are being criticised. Personally, I never 're-visit' my decision but, people, this is Pprune. It is a forum. Everyone is entitled to a say & an opinion. Again, trying to hold on to the thread, the DEC Embraer guy is entitled to opinions from those of you who are still there & enjoy it. For a balanced field, he should consider the opinions of those who left. Before you place me in the cross hairs, do have a quiet re-look at my offering. The short spell I had was very enjoyable, great bunch of aircrew, still friendly with many. Kids loved it & have thrived since. Frau adored the place. But, I had to get back my LHS and left when the company reneged on the selection suggestion that it would be rapid . Thereafter, multiple admin mess-ups confirmed my decision to leave.
But, for those who are very happy, enjoy. I am very happy for leaving but do miss the really good stuff that was part of my experience.
Now, Embraer DEC, make YOUR decision & thank heavens that many of us out here will not be gagged. Now, I must "re-visit" my decisions with Cathay, Singapore, Air India, Jet 2. Ooops, must look at "Where are they now", might ask myself, "where is HE now ?". Damn, got to "re-visit " the medical page where I love to have a poke at the medical profession !
Thanks PPrune. Great forums, Great for public debate, a good laugh and I have to say, in the main, a good support network for us privilaged to be in work.
But, for those who are very happy, enjoy. I am very happy for leaving but do miss the really good stuff that was part of my experience.
Now, Embraer DEC, make YOUR decision & thank heavens that many of us out here will not be gagged. Now, I must "re-visit" my decisions with Cathay, Singapore, Air India, Jet 2. Ooops, must look at "Where are they now", might ask myself, "where is HE now ?". Damn, got to "re-visit " the medical page where I love to have a poke at the medical profession !
Thanks PPrune. Great forums, Great for public debate, a good laugh and I have to say, in the main, a good support network for us privilaged to be in work.
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Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to pprunize it i agree. NOW LANDFLAP, when u say to SALE why you, to me it seems u are getting at the compnay not following seniority. Please correct me if i am wrong. If that is the case that is COMPLETE BS. I will say alot of things about how this whole EMB has been handled but GF has kept its word and stuck with the seniority, an exception being the DEC's on EMB. The reason guys at 3.5 years are starting assessment at relatively the same time as guys been here 5 years is because everyone between them has resigned or declined command. The guys more senior have had an oppourtunity and currently are waiting their 6month/1 year for another shot. This info is from someone who is currently in the process. I am not saying GF is so good but seniority for FO's command here is being kept thatis a fact. Also if u joined here as an FO why would the company upgrade u ahead of all its other QUALIFIED FO's????
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Land flap's "opinions" are just flame bait, and he is either confused, or just intent on trashing GF. Nowhere is perfect, and GF sure isn't, but hey Landflap they hired you when you needed a job, so if you became disillusioned and left, then good on you for voting with your feet, but don't comenhere spreading misinformation, and criticizing those of us who choose to stay....move on and enjoy your life, some of us enjoy it here...
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"Comenhere" ? Sorry, don't speak German, but let me get it straight; Unless we agree with you, have the same opinions as you, reside in the Mid East, work for GF, we have no right to "comenhere" ! Sorry, but PPrune is an open forum & free speach really does work. Offering the Embraer DEC varied opinions gives him greater oppportunity to make a balanced judgement. Aaaah, but the bully boys like you would not have that eh IB ? Before the moderator pulls the plug on this because it is still drifting from thread to an open bar brawl, allow me one last freedom of reply; I was recruited to fly DEC 767. The very next day I was told that due to a change in policy, DEC's on the 767 would no longer be possible & I was offered a RHS with the suggestion that RHS to LHS would be very rapid. The Head of the Selection Board laughed as he told me that this was "typical GF" !
I had four employment offers on the table and chose GF as the best option.I loved it. But, when I was bypassed and not included in the list of very rapid, RHS to LHS, I was told that at least three years had to be served in the RHS before going R to L. That was NOT explained at the interview. Indeed, I dug out a tiny clause in whatever Ops Manual it was at the time, that the rule would not apply to those with previous extensive Command experience. Of course, the "Loss of Face" card was then exposed & was told not too make too many waves. So, I left, having secured the choice of three DEC's elsewhere.
No IB, I do not regret it and I loved my short time there. I visit many Pprune pages & enjoy free speech, free opinions, lively debate & a chance to offer experienced comment to others considering going where I have been. I value the opinions of others when considering other aspects of my career. Thanks to Pprune, a pretty good way of doing it.
So, sorry. I certainly will "comenhere" & be very vocal if it will help give a ballanced view. One guy, on the 'Gf developments' page is asking, clearly, if there is ANYONE happy in GF ?..............I gave him three posters. Take your blinkers off, IB, step out of the bubble & pop into the road show. You will see more than three who are NOT happy. Are you going to bully your way around & try to silence them too ?? I hope not. Better tact is to simply place forward your view and others will listen.
Thanks moderator. Tried to keep this thread in focus. I'm off to cause absolute mayhem on the medical site because no-one will tell me what to do about my manboobs !
I had four employment offers on the table and chose GF as the best option.I loved it. But, when I was bypassed and not included in the list of very rapid, RHS to LHS, I was told that at least three years had to be served in the RHS before going R to L. That was NOT explained at the interview. Indeed, I dug out a tiny clause in whatever Ops Manual it was at the time, that the rule would not apply to those with previous extensive Command experience. Of course, the "Loss of Face" card was then exposed & was told not too make too many waves. So, I left, having secured the choice of three DEC's elsewhere.
No IB, I do not regret it and I loved my short time there. I visit many Pprune pages & enjoy free speech, free opinions, lively debate & a chance to offer experienced comment to others considering going where I have been. I value the opinions of others when considering other aspects of my career. Thanks to Pprune, a pretty good way of doing it.
So, sorry. I certainly will "comenhere" & be very vocal if it will help give a ballanced view. One guy, on the 'Gf developments' page is asking, clearly, if there is ANYONE happy in GF ?..............I gave him three posters. Take your blinkers off, IB, step out of the bubble & pop into the road show. You will see more than three who are NOT happy. Are you going to bully your way around & try to silence them too ?? I hope not. Better tact is to simply place forward your view and others will listen.
Thanks moderator. Tried to keep this thread in focus. I'm off to cause absolute mayhem on the medical site because no-one will tell me what to do about my manboobs !
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i finally get it. U accepted a job as FO in the middle east after they were supposed to give u a DEC. Then u expected to jump every other qualified FO on the fleet becasue of your "experience". I just dont get this type of mentality. First u criticize GF for not following seniority but when the person in question was you U, U EXPECTED them to break all seniority? To me this is a typical situation of when it suits u it is ok!!!! I get GF is not perfect but i think u need to chill and realize u are long gone and have no idea what is going on right now here. Sorry if this sounds confrontational but MOST of the things u say are just plain NOT true as Gf is currently folling seniority!!!!! also a tip a wise man once told me. never accept a job in the expectation of advancement immediately. if this is the case something is seriously wrong with that airline
i finally get it. U accepted a job as FO in the middle east after they were supposed to give u a DEC. Then u expected to jump every other qualified FO on the fleet becasue of your "experience". I just dont get this type of mentality. First u criticize GF for not following seniority but when the person in question was you U, U EXPECTED them to break all seniority? To me this is a typical situation of when it suits u it is ok!!!! I get GF is not perfect but i think u need to chill and realize u are long gone and have no idea what is going on right now here. Sorry if this sounds confrontational but MOST of the things u say are just plain NOT true as Gf is currently folling seniority!!!!! also a tip a wise man once told me. never accept a job in the expectation of advancement immediately. if this is the case something is seriously wrong with that airline
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I find it hard to believe that GF offered you a DEC B767 position in writing and then altered it to a F/O position. As you say you had four other offers for a DEC position why on earth did you join GF?
Over the years from time to time GF did take DEC's on all types they operated, normally on so called short term contracts which in most cases were made permanent for those they wished to keep.
Like many ME airlines they did not allow fleet change from RHS to LHS which made for disgruntled F/O's on some fleets when they saw DEC's arrive for example on the A320.
There were rapid commands from time to time for experienced Captains who joined as F/O's when there were not F/O's with the seniority but without the right hours to be considered or who has already failed to be upgraded.
I find it hard to believe that GF offered you a DEC B767 position in writing and then altered it to a F/O position. As you say you had four other offers for a DEC position why on earth did you join GF?
Over the years from time to time GF did take DEC's on all types they operated, normally on so called short term contracts which in most cases were made permanent for those they wished to keep.
Like many ME airlines they did not allow fleet change from RHS to LHS which made for disgruntled F/O's on some fleets when they saw DEC's arrive for example on the A320.
There were rapid commands from time to time for experienced Captains who joined as F/O's when there were not F/O's with the seniority but without the right hours to be considered or who has already failed to be upgraded.
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hey beechslave. why would u want to fly the same aircraft out here? well simple. u fly same aircraft get paid probably 3 times as much and have a very nice lifestyle.
DesertHawk, that depends on where you're coming from. What he's talking about is not an upgrade in quality of life. Unless GulfAir provides cheap 5 bedfroom apartments and private cooks and your own personal driver. You can be an RJ Captain state side and have a way better quality of life.
Try for Qatar or Emirates.
DesertHawk, that depends on where you're coming from. What he's talking about is not an upgrade in quality of life. Unless GulfAir provides cheap 5 bedfroom apartments and private cooks and your own personal driver. You can be an RJ Captain state side and have a way better quality of life.
Try for Qatar or Emirates.