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My friend WV2 I might be a joke but if you take that debt and divide it by the local population of Dubai per capita is the highest in the world. Again, how can you compare real economies with Dubai. Dubai is a small dictatorship producing nothing whose only assett is constituted by the possibility of legally exploiting the disinherited. A modern form of slavery. It doesn't produce anything and touristically demonstrated itself as failure. The Burj Khalifa is for 4/5th unsold. Real estate has lost 7/10th of it's value. That vision was maybe just the result of bad digestion? Emirates is the cow now and it is runned on the same ( lack of) principles. They are just milking you take it or leave it and no complaint.Still some self serving imbecills that lost contact with reality think they are privileged superman just because they can afford a Land Cruiser and a maid and tend to forget that are just the shape,the darker blue color of the suit and the salary the differences with the ineducated and unaware construction worker sweating in the sand.
Where is your dignity mate? You are so evidently wrong .You can invent all sort of bull**** concerning taxation, debt, the flaws of democracy, but still you can't open your window and scream that the government is ****.. can't you? The possibility of doing so is called freedom and has no price!.
Where is your dignity mate? You are so evidently wrong .You can invent all sort of bull**** concerning taxation, debt, the flaws of democracy, but still you can't open your window and scream that the government is ****.. can't you? The possibility of doing so is called freedom and has no price!.
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Good morning gents, sorry but nothing really worth a fight!
The quotes (so why did I put WK on the ignore list again?) show me WKs state of mind pretty well. He believes that non pilots are a lower life form and Krauts have no humour etc....and then he probably droned on how happy he is with his life as a dependent driver at EK and that his plan A is still working fine.
And probably some more low blows he calls humour...
Anyway, what was that again about arguing on the internet and running in the special olympics...?
The quotes (so why did I put WK on the ignore list again?) show me WKs state of mind pretty well. He believes that non pilots are a lower life form and Krauts have no humour etc....and then he probably droned on how happy he is with his life as a dependent driver at EK and that his plan A is still working fine.
And probably some more low blows he calls humour...
Anyway, what was that again about arguing on the internet and running in the special olympics...?
It seems that Schibulski is, to some extent, a hypocrite.
Living in Bali, taking advantage of cheap living costs, cheap golfing and and cheap entertainment all supplied by cheap labor.
No resemblance at all for the ME carriers at all
On another note....
Many years ago the prime minister of Australia, who was in Brussels, was asked by the Euro press when was Australia going to drop the tariffs on European wine and agricultural equipment that was being exported to there.
J Howard nearly wet himself laughing when he responded by saying "as soon as Europe stop subsidising agricultural produce and dumping it on the rest of the world"
Not defending the gulf carriers, but they are not the only perpetrators in the globalised world we live in.
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Living in Bali, taking advantage of cheap living costs, cheap golfing and and cheap entertainment all supplied by cheap labor.
No resemblance at all for the ME carriers at all
On another note....
Many years ago the prime minister of Australia, who was in Brussels, was asked by the Euro press when was Australia going to drop the tariffs on European wine and agricultural equipment that was being exported to there.
J Howard nearly wet himself laughing when he responded by saying "as soon as Europe stop subsidising agricultural produce and dumping it on the rest of the world"
Not defending the gulf carriers, but they are not the only perpetrators in the globalised world we live in.
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Dear Halas, my maid earns more than I had to pay for my indian cleaner in DXB, she gets a full time salary for her part time job and brings her kids to splash in my pool. O.K. the villa is about what you pay for a 2BR in DXB nowadays. And if you decide to visit my golf club, they'll charge you 160 US$ for a round, my membership is more than double of the one at RAK, check here: Bali Golf - Indonesia Golf Event - Indonesia Open | New Kuta Golf . For entertainment you pay i.e. 30 US$ for a cheap bottle of Oz wine, thanks to 300% import duty 
And I am too old for the other "entertainment" 
btw they are asking probably more than the hookers at Rattlesnake.
What was your point again??
Anyway, you are right about the western hypocrisy as I already also pointed out. But that doesn't justify the methods of the UAE...at all
And I am too old for the other "entertainment" btw they are asking probably more than the hookers at Rattlesnake.What was your point again??
Anyway, you are right about the western hypocrisy as I already also pointed out. But that doesn't justify the methods of the UAE...at all
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Hey Halas - you may have noticed that schibulsky doesn't like anyone arguing or disagreeing with him
I disagree with him a couple of times and he puts me on his ignore list
Sour Kraut or sauerkraut?
I disagree with him a couple of times and he puts me on his ignore listSour Kraut or sauerkraut?
Dear Halas, my maid earns more than I had to pay for my indian cleaner in DXB,
What would a Golf Membership with the Equivelent workforce paid a German-style, unionised workforce cost?
Less exploitive is still exploitation.
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Of course I don't pay her german wages...what's the point? A doctor in Indonesia earns far less than a german maid!! Does local cost of living tell you something? Btw if you calculate the salary I pay her for the 12 hours a week up to a full time job, it's 70% of a doctor's
And you might not believe it, but I rent out my local real estate also NOT for german rates.
I don't exploit, I don't abuse and I pay all my staff very good, just because that's how I was raised...compare that to the treatment/payment the Indonesian maids get in the Middle East, especially in Saudi!
And my "unionized" golf club in Germany cost less than what I pay here. Ask your green keeper, with the modern machinery the amount of workers to operate the mowers etc. are almost the same everywhere.
I didn't come here just for a cheap life...NO, it's exactly the same reason I left that sandy sh!thole...QUALITY OF LIFE, plus a great climate, nice and friendly people and a sunny green island with some beautiful nature as a topping!
...do I hear some "white noise" in the background?
And you might not believe it, but I rent out my local real estate also NOT for german rates.
I don't exploit, I don't abuse and I pay all my staff very good, just because that's how I was raised...compare that to the treatment/payment the Indonesian maids get in the Middle East, especially in Saudi!
And my "unionized" golf club in Germany cost less than what I pay here. Ask your green keeper, with the modern machinery the amount of workers to operate the mowers etc. are almost the same everywhere.
I didn't come here just for a cheap life...NO, it's exactly the same reason I left that sandy sh!thole...QUALITY OF LIFE, plus a great climate, nice and friendly people and a sunny green island with some beautiful nature as a topping!
...do I hear some "white noise" in the background?
SOOOOO....
It's fine and dandy for you to pay according to the going rate where you reside.
But if an airline does so and get's a competitive advantage as a result.......
You are aware, of course, that Emirates is one of the best paid jobs in most catagories of workers it employs in the greater region? There's a reason people come from all over the world to work for them.
And why is it that your current residence has a better quality of life for you than your Unionised, Tarrifed, Subsidised Homeland???
Oh, yeah-
That would be why hundreds of thousands of Indonesians have to leave their home country to find work overseas? Not a little in part because of the upward pressure on cost of living foreiners coming in to live cheap cause?
It's fine and dandy for you to pay according to the going rate where you reside.
But if an airline does so and get's a competitive advantage as a result.......
You are aware, of course, that Emirates is one of the best paid jobs in most catagories of workers it employs in the greater region? There's a reason people come from all over the world to work for them.
And why is it that your current residence has a better quality of life for you than your Unionised, Tarrifed, Subsidised Homeland???
Oh, yeah-
QUALITY OF LIFE, plus a great climate, nice and friendly people and a sunny green island with some beautiful nature as a topping!
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Guys please get this thread back on track & avoid using it as a vehicle for trading personal insults and character assessments of retired individuals in Bali.
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@wiz
OMFG...reading is really not your strong point!
I overpay and I spoil my staff...call me an idiot for that if you like,
but don't f
g call me an exploiter!! 
I pay at least double the wages of Dubai and the cost of living here is a fraction of that in Dubai.
And please tell me what's the "going rate" in the UAE and who defines it?
Is it the 500 dhs EK pays his cleaners a month for a 12hrs/6days/week without a flight home in 3 years?
Or the "normal rate" for expats, normally based on skin color?
Or are you talking about the "additional rate" for Emiratis?
Most probably you are only talking about the pilot's rates...
Gimme a break man...you seem to have no friggin idea what the average rate is at EK...anyway they couldn't pay me enough to take all their sh!t!!
And I would happily live in unionized, organized Germany munching nice Schnitzel all day...but somehow I cannot find an island there with
temperatures around 30 degrees all year and a 12 months golf season
You have also not a trace of a clue about life in Indonesia:
There is probably not a single Balinese working in the middle east as a maid...because they got enough jobs here due to the tourist industry and the expats, it's the other way around, thousands of Indonesians from other parts are moving to Bali for work...The 10000000000000 Indonesians who are, according to you, leaving their country to work overseas haven't even seen a white face in their area or in their whole life, so WTF is the "upward pressure on their cost of living"???
Sorry moderator, but the ignorance here is just getting too much...
I overpay and I spoil my staff...call me an idiot for that if you like,
but don't f
g call me an exploiter!! I pay at least double the wages of Dubai and the cost of living here is a fraction of that in Dubai.
And please tell me what's the "going rate" in the UAE and who defines it?
Is it the 500 dhs EK pays his cleaners a month for a 12hrs/6days/week without a flight home in 3 years?
Or the "normal rate" for expats, normally based on skin color?
Or are you talking about the "additional rate" for Emiratis?
Most probably you are only talking about the pilot's rates...
Gimme a break man...you seem to have no friggin idea what the average rate is at EK...anyway they couldn't pay me enough to take all their sh!t!!
And I would happily live in unionized, organized Germany munching nice Schnitzel all day...but somehow I cannot find an island there with
temperatures around 30 degrees all year and a 12 months golf season
You have also not a trace of a clue about life in Indonesia:
There is probably not a single Balinese working in the middle east as a maid...because they got enough jobs here due to the tourist industry and the expats, it's the other way around, thousands of Indonesians from other parts are moving to Bali for work...The 10000000000000 Indonesians who are, according to you, leaving their country to work overseas haven't even seen a white face in their area or in their whole life, so WTF is the "upward pressure on their cost of living"???
Sorry moderator, but the ignorance here is just getting too much...
You're right WK,
Schz doesn't like people dis-agreeing with him, PARTICULARLY when it is shown he doesn't practice what he preaches....
Schz doesn't like people dis-agreeing with him, PARTICULARLY when it is shown he doesn't practice what he preaches....
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but the ignorance here is just getting too much...
by the way!
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my maid earns more than I had to pay for my indian cleaner in DXB
overpay and I spoil my staff...call me an idiot for that if you like, but don't f
g call me an exploiter!!
I pay at least double the wages of Dubai and the cost of living here is a fraction of that in Dubai.
g call me an exploiter!! I pay at least double the wages of Dubai and the cost of living here is a fraction of that in Dubai.
You exploiter you.....
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Apology
Dear WK, Wiz and all others helping me see the light,
I see my shortcomings now as a hypocrite, an exploiter and a general low life.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom and exposing my utter ignorance.
I humbly admit that it was pure envy that made me question your superiority, now I also know why it was GW Bush, a pilot, who made
this world a better place...thank you!
You soar through the blue yonder like a free bird untouched by the lowly existence on the ground. I am just a slave of my
co-directors and I will never achieve your divine status. I beg your forgiveness mighty Knight, and ask permission to take you off my ignore list.
It was foolish and will prevent me from receiving your priceless advise...may be after I exploit the poor workers in Bali, Malaysia, South Africa and
Mozambique to reap in some undeserved high profits, you the guiding light of intelligence could tell me how much profit share my worthless existence should receive.
I was also an ungrateful dispatcher (please excuse speaking of this useless profession in this exclusive circle) to reject the blessings of
the free society of Dubai and the motherly care of Emirates...I sincerely apologize for my shameful behavior.
I also thank you for showing me how to sophisticatedly conduct a discussion, with that unlimited background information you achieved as godlike masters of the airways, you simply destroyed my pathetic attempt of reasoning. I also learned a lot of new fascinating words that I can use to take on the enemies
of free trade and globalization....thank you...thank you...thank you!!!
So I rest my case and hang my head in shame...
I see my shortcomings now as a hypocrite, an exploiter and a general low life.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom and exposing my utter ignorance.
I humbly admit that it was pure envy that made me question your superiority, now I also know why it was GW Bush, a pilot, who made
this world a better place...thank you!
You soar through the blue yonder like a free bird untouched by the lowly existence on the ground. I am just a slave of my
co-directors and I will never achieve your divine status. I beg your forgiveness mighty Knight, and ask permission to take you off my ignore list.
It was foolish and will prevent me from receiving your priceless advise...may be after I exploit the poor workers in Bali, Malaysia, South Africa and
Mozambique to reap in some undeserved high profits, you the guiding light of intelligence could tell me how much profit share my worthless existence should receive.
I was also an ungrateful dispatcher (please excuse speaking of this useless profession in this exclusive circle) to reject the blessings of
the free society of Dubai and the motherly care of Emirates...I sincerely apologize for my shameful behavior.
I also thank you for showing me how to sophisticatedly conduct a discussion, with that unlimited background information you achieved as godlike masters of the airways, you simply destroyed my pathetic attempt of reasoning. I also learned a lot of new fascinating words that I can use to take on the enemies
of free trade and globalization....thank you...thank you...thank you!!!
So I rest my case and hang my head in shame...
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Now where was the bit that I discussed exploited workers? Seems to me I was discussing LH, EK and the German public that fill EKs' several times a day flights to Deutschland... And it went down like a 1000lb bomb - sorry, lead balloon
Hopefully the thread will go back to topic!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hopefully the thread will go back to topic!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah let's go to back the topic. EK vs LH.
Such a shame in Germany the Nazi are not in power any more. In that case they would have had so many things in common that they could have actually formed an alliance.
Such a shame in Germany the Nazi are not in power any more. In that case they would have had so many things in common that they could have actually formed an alliance.
Schibulsky,
No, it is we who owe you an appology.
Please accept it with all our humility.
You see, you made the completely valid point that EK were exploiting bastards because some of their employees earn less than your current employees (i.e about the same as your former employees) and, as the correct amount to pay an employee to not be exploiting them is EXACTLEY the amount you have decided, this should not be explored, challenged or questioned.
Some one is exploited if you say they are exploited, and are not if you decided how much to pay them.
That much should have been obvious,
We're sorry....
No, it is we who owe you an appology.
Please accept it with all our humility.
You see, you made the completely valid point that EK were exploiting bastards because some of their employees earn less than your current employees (i.e about the same as your former employees) and, as the correct amount to pay an employee to not be exploiting them is EXACTLEY the amount you have decided, this should not be explored, challenged or questioned.
Some one is exploited if you say they are exploited, and are not if you decided how much to pay them.
That much should have been obvious,
We're sorry....