Canada says the UAE is acting like a pompous thug says Colin Kenny
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Uh, what exactly IS your "corner"? In different words, why do you care? I mean surely you can understand why Canadians have some interest - especially now, thanks to the UAE actions, well played! - but I'm struggling to understand
a. what your interest is in this; and
b. why anyone should care what a non-Canadian, non-Emirati thinks.
Not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, of course you are, but can't quite make out why you have it so strongly.
As far as not rolling over and taking it...uhhh...hmmm.
I have a lovely young female friend, cabin crew, who drives an expensive car, lives in a lovely villa, and rationalizes that it's totally worth taking it up the "wrong 'un" to have the things she couldn't have in her home country...draw your own parallels...
a. what your interest is in this; and
b. why anyone should care what a non-Canadian, non-Emirati thinks.
Not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, of course you are, but can't quite make out why you have it so strongly.
As far as not rolling over and taking it...uhhh...hmmm.
I have a lovely young female friend, cabin crew, who drives an expensive car, lives in a lovely villa, and rationalizes that it's totally worth taking it up the "wrong 'un" to have the things she couldn't have in her home country...draw your own parallels...
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Here is a great post from YYZ Spotter on the Emirates vs. Air Canada Thread. Very convincing argument.
Hi everyone,
I like to follow these topics, but hardly post. Like everyone, I've got an opinion on this hot-button topic too.
In brief: I think EK and EY should be permitted the extra landing rights, but that the CDN govt should also negotiate something binding that is guaranteed to contribute to the Cdn economy, not just the EK marketing spin of jobs created. (e.g.: invest in aviation infrastructure in Canada; EK built a ATC Tower in Auckland). Considering that in exchange for the YYZ landing rights, Canadian carriers had excellent reciprocal rights into AUH and DXB, it seemed like a good deal...as long as Air Canada was willing to up its game and play hard with the new international big boys. Emirates flys widebodies like taxicabs into Australia, but QANTAS didn't cry much, they took it in stride, stayed competitive, and remain profitable.
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Now, although both governments have been silly in this episode, I think it's worth keeping all the political issues in context as well.
The landing rights is a perfect cover story for the much bigger political mess in the background.
I'd like to mention that the Ottawa Citizen piece comes off as very immature. The author writes like he is half drunk and giving one gigantic middle finger to the entire UAE without any consideration for context, background that goes back more than a month, or foresight for future relations. Cut all access to UAE airlines over Canadian airspace? Is he insane? Disprove connections to terrorism? This is a tagged-on-argument of convenience. If you start opening a can of worms like that, Canada's policies on a number of issues can be debated. In fact almost every government is shady in some way, be it developed, developing, or 3rd world. E.g.: why is PIA being allowed to fly to YYZ? I don't think it's much of a secret that Pakistan is a mess and is playing with both sides of the war in Afghanistan.
As far as AC is concerned...
Should I support Air Canada because I am Canadian? Having flown Etihad last year, in economy, I must say that Air Canada is seriously lagging behind in service, food, IFE, passenger comfort, and the entire flight experience in general. When I do fly AC, their magazine usually touts their award of best North American Airline for how many ever years-in-a-row. Well, when you are comparing yourself to AA, Delta etc, it's like comparing apples to half-eaten rotten apples. What did the government have to say about AC trying to screw Porter when AC realized that Porter had a profitable business model out of YTZ? Nothing. AC was allowed to walk into YTZ after abandoning it years earlier. Any competition to AC is bad apparently.
Canadians as a whole have been brainwashed to be content with high taxes and low competition. In everyday life, this means high prices for cars, gasoline, food, homes, everything...all in the name of some kind of nationalism. If troff is an expat and not paying any taxes to the Cdn government, good for him. He's probably been taxed to death enough and can finally put away some money in the bank. The amount of tax money (your money, my money, Air Canada's money) WASTED in this country is mind boggling. There's a story about it in the CBC news every few weeks, and that's just the news that makes it out.
Canadians are desperate for increased competition. The consumer here is screwed around everyday. When it's cheaper to fly internationally than domestically, something is wrong.
If the CDN Govt can somehow negotiate guaranteed economic benefit in exchange for the landing rights, then its a win-win-WIN for the Emirates, Cdn govt, and importantly the Canadian flyer. That's what I'm for.
Sadly the entire issue is now getting ridiculous. See the latest letter by Tim Clark to Harper.
That was a mouthful! Yes I sort of vented all my thoughts at once. Thanks for anyone who actually read the whole thing.
Cheers.
I like to follow these topics, but hardly post. Like everyone, I've got an opinion on this hot-button topic too.
In brief: I think EK and EY should be permitted the extra landing rights, but that the CDN govt should also negotiate something binding that is guaranteed to contribute to the Cdn economy, not just the EK marketing spin of jobs created. (e.g.: invest in aviation infrastructure in Canada; EK built a ATC Tower in Auckland). Considering that in exchange for the YYZ landing rights, Canadian carriers had excellent reciprocal rights into AUH and DXB, it seemed like a good deal...as long as Air Canada was willing to up its game and play hard with the new international big boys. Emirates flys widebodies like taxicabs into Australia, but QANTAS didn't cry much, they took it in stride, stayed competitive, and remain profitable.
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Now, although both governments have been silly in this episode, I think it's worth keeping all the political issues in context as well.
The landing rights is a perfect cover story for the much bigger political mess in the background.
In case you didn't know, here's a quick bit of background:
-Mossad assassinated a Hamas official in Dubai with a team of hitmen (early 2010)
-At least one FAKE Canadian passport was used by an assassin
-Canada arrested a suspect in Canada, linked to the killing (initially not in the news) and the UAE confirmed that a 'western' nation arrested a suspect
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Context required here: Canada's PM Stephen Harper LOVES Israel. Both countries have right wing nutjobs in power at the moment. Their relationship is extremely cozy. Admitting that Canada arrested an Israeli (Mossad agent) in the assassination using a FAKE Canadian passport would be very embarrassing. The suspect is apparently released and the issue isn't brought up for some time. Simply put, that's unacceptable.
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-UAE is pissed off.
-Harper tells a Jewish Conference in Ottawa, something to the effect that "as long as he's PM of Canada, Israel has a friend and ally, no matter what the consequences"
-everyone shakes their head and goes WTF? For such a politically charged region of the world, giving unequivocal support for one side is idiotic, and that too from a country known for neutrality and diplomacy. Not so much now...
The consequences begin:
-Canada is kicked off Camp Mirage. Actual cost is $300M/year, but Canada leased it for free. Landing rights to Defence minister's jet is denied.
-Canada is kicked off the UN Security Council (by influence from UAE towards voting members). Extra embarrassing: Canada sent RCMP officers with bottles of Maple Syrup to distribute to diplomats to thank them and celebrate Canada's expected victory. All RCMP and maple syrup returns home.
-Visas i.e. $$$ required for Canadians and many other countries visiting the UAE. Making people pay out of their pockets will get their attention.
And here we are now. This is not simply an issue of landing rights, there are major political differences in the background that the media fails to keep in context when bringing up the landing rights. It's naive to think that Canada was kicked off a military base for not allowing more of its planes to land.I'd like to mention that the Ottawa Citizen piece comes off as very immature. The author writes like he is half drunk and giving one gigantic middle finger to the entire UAE without any consideration for context, background that goes back more than a month, or foresight for future relations. Cut all access to UAE airlines over Canadian airspace? Is he insane? Disprove connections to terrorism? This is a tagged-on-argument of convenience. If you start opening a can of worms like that, Canada's policies on a number of issues can be debated. In fact almost every government is shady in some way, be it developed, developing, or 3rd world. E.g.: why is PIA being allowed to fly to YYZ? I don't think it's much of a secret that Pakistan is a mess and is playing with both sides of the war in Afghanistan.
As far as AC is concerned...
Should I support Air Canada because I am Canadian? Having flown Etihad last year, in economy, I must say that Air Canada is seriously lagging behind in service, food, IFE, passenger comfort, and the entire flight experience in general. When I do fly AC, their magazine usually touts their award of best North American Airline for how many ever years-in-a-row. Well, when you are comparing yourself to AA, Delta etc, it's like comparing apples to half-eaten rotten apples. What did the government have to say about AC trying to screw Porter when AC realized that Porter had a profitable business model out of YTZ? Nothing. AC was allowed to walk into YTZ after abandoning it years earlier. Any competition to AC is bad apparently.
Canadians as a whole have been brainwashed to be content with high taxes and low competition. In everyday life, this means high prices for cars, gasoline, food, homes, everything...all in the name of some kind of nationalism. If troff is an expat and not paying any taxes to the Cdn government, good for him. He's probably been taxed to death enough and can finally put away some money in the bank. The amount of tax money (your money, my money, Air Canada's money) WASTED in this country is mind boggling. There's a story about it in the CBC news every few weeks, and that's just the news that makes it out.
Canadians are desperate for increased competition. The consumer here is screwed around everyday. When it's cheaper to fly internationally than domestically, something is wrong.
If the CDN Govt can somehow negotiate guaranteed economic benefit in exchange for the landing rights, then its a win-win-WIN for the Emirates, Cdn govt, and importantly the Canadian flyer. That's what I'm for.
Sadly the entire issue is now getting ridiculous. See the latest letter by Tim Clark to Harper.
That was a mouthful! Yes I sort of vented all my thoughts at once. Thanks for anyone who actually read the whole thing.
Cheers.
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Fair comment nolimit......Until I got involved, this was a one sided back slapping hoo ha of Canadian patriotism which clearly wasn't capable of seeing 2 sides to the argument. Just thought I'd redress the balance a little.
More importantly, I don't suppose you have her number do you? I mean a girl that takes it up the bonus tunnel for the price of a meal..... Splendid
More importantly, I don't suppose you have her number do you? I mean a girl that takes it up the bonus tunnel for the price of a meal..... Splendid
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@ Oblah...blah...
a one sided back slapping hoo ha of Canadian patriotism which clearly wasn't capable of seeing 2 sides to the argument. Just thought I'd redress the balance a little.
trying to explain to you why the UAE should not use global security as a leverage for landing rights.
And you were also too thick to draw your own parallel to that girl.
It was about rolling over for the "expensive cars, villas and the lifestyle"!
Both you and the girl could have a simple meal in the home country...
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Interesting Skyiblikdhscjhydfkn (or whatever your crap handle is!), What EXACTLY have you brought to the table?? C@ck all!!
You don't even work here any more, and when you did, you were a mediocre dispatcher, plus the fact, you aren't even Canadian!!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Why do still hang around these forums? Like Sheiky, clearly your new life hasn't worked out and you feel compelled to drone around justifying your decision! What a sad sad man you are
Indeed, I did see what Nolimit was trying to imply wrt the girl, but as I mentioned before irony tends to confuse the thick (which clearly it did in your case), so I used humour and wit to throw it back..... Look and learn.
Regarding the big bold lettering in the post from earlier, I sustained unwarranted abuse regarding something I said earlier that was indeed correct, so the culprits needed to be shown the errors of their ways. It appears that the ONLY thing you have picked up from my posts is the fact that the UAE has 6 flights a week to Canada. Do me a favour, take the time to go back over my posts again and read them properly, you will find that only about 1% of what I said relates to that, and I have addressed many times why the global security bullcr@p vs commercial argument is a non starter.
BTW did you actually bother to read the excellent links provided by Contacted above? You know the ones, they are independent, highly regarded sources all backing up what I and a few others have been saying for ages!
Remove the blinkers unwise one!
Incidentally, why did a dispatcher EVER feel the need to skulk around on a Professional PILOT forum in any case? Felt inadequate perhaps? I noticed from one of your earlier posts that you were giving pilots advice on when to apply certain MEL items.... I do hope to god they ignored your sage advice!
You don't even work here any more, and when you did, you were a mediocre dispatcher, plus the fact, you aren't even Canadian!!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Why do still hang around these forums? Like Sheiky, clearly your new life hasn't worked out and you feel compelled to drone around justifying your decision! What a sad sad man you are
Indeed, I did see what Nolimit was trying to imply wrt the girl, but as I mentioned before irony tends to confuse the thick (which clearly it did in your case), so I used humour and wit to throw it back..... Look and learn.
Regarding the big bold lettering in the post from earlier, I sustained unwarranted abuse regarding something I said earlier that was indeed correct, so the culprits needed to be shown the errors of their ways. It appears that the ONLY thing you have picked up from my posts is the fact that the UAE has 6 flights a week to Canada. Do me a favour, take the time to go back over my posts again and read them properly, you will find that only about 1% of what I said relates to that, and I have addressed many times why the global security bullcr@p vs commercial argument is a non starter.
BTW did you actually bother to read the excellent links provided by Contacted above? You know the ones, they are independent, highly regarded sources all backing up what I and a few others have been saying for ages!
Remove the blinkers unwise one!
Incidentally, why did a dispatcher EVER feel the need to skulk around on a Professional PILOT forum in any case? Felt inadequate perhaps? I noticed from one of your earlier posts that you were giving pilots advice on when to apply certain MEL items.... I do hope to god they ignored your sage advice!
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Hey Obi...take a chill pill and keep rolling over dude! 
You are really showing some class by picking on my handle (believe me, my real name is even crappier!) and calling me mediocre etc.
BTW...I am semi-retired now as in not having to work anymore...running my own company (relax, it's not aviation related) to keep me busy as in being the boss...living a great lifestyle as in living in a villa with a nice climate and going golfing, surfing etc...traveling the world in style as in not being the poor tired driver in the front...and yes, it's a sad life and I am feeling very inadequate so I am having some fun in following and posting on this forum to justify my stupid decision!!
What was it again you wanted to tell me???... probably just frustration with your own sorry life as a dependent driver...
You are really showing some class by picking on my handle (believe me, my real name is even crappier!) and calling me mediocre etc.
BTW...I am semi-retired now as in not having to work anymore...running my own company (relax, it's not aviation related) to keep me busy as in being the boss...living a great lifestyle as in living in a villa with a nice climate and going golfing, surfing etc...traveling the world in style as in not being the poor tired driver in the front...and yes, it's a sad life and I am feeling very inadequate so I am having some fun in following and posting on this forum to justify my stupid decision!!
What was it again you wanted to tell me???... probably just frustration with your own sorry life as a dependent driver...
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Wow, from flight dispatcher to semi-retired CEO of a massive multi-national in just a few short years...... You are correct I now feel inadequate, and insanely jealous. How's the recession treated you buddy? Personally I hardly noticed it, but enough of my tales of woe
Outlaw, un-bloody-believable! You have the audacity, the bare faced cheek and effrontery to take me to task????
YOU are the one my friend who rudely slung mud in my direction on a point which you were 100% incorrect on, and you are not even man enough to admit it and apologise...... Grow some balls, toughen up cowboy!
You are quite correct about one thing though, EVERYBODY is entitled to their own opinion, until such a time that it appears to go against the general flow ie my opinion. You all are only interested in the popular jingoistic patriotism which encompassed all that was wrong with the Bush administration. I thought you guys were less 'Redneck' and more white collar than some of your ill informed neighbours down south? It appears I was wrong!
Its clear that anyone who dares to counter your opinions is either 'management', 'thick', 'stupid', 'selfish', 'shortsighted' and generally evil. These blinkered opinions manifest themselves despite attempts by the individual to present logical reason based arguments...... These arguments appear to get ignored and downtrodden with attempts to discourage and scare the poster away. This approach appears to work well in places like Iran, but sadly for you guys I have a modicum of intelligence and I carry my balls around in a wheelbarrow (its a figure of speech before anyone accuses me of pretending to have big knackers).
As I have said many times and indeed what all the evidence now points towards, is the fact that this whole sorry issue has absolutely nothing to do with Camp Mirage/Global security vs commercial, but has EVERYTHING to do with the Governments approach to protecting Air Canada and Lufthansa at all costs. The sooner you guys can admit to that, stop flag waving, and agree that the approach may be floored, the better, then maybe we can all work together to find a solution to the situation....... ALL the reports from reputable sources (as posted by Contacted above) confirm that the ONLY losers from this sorry saga are the travelling public AND believe it or not Air Canada!!!!
Stop shooting from the hip in Red neck Newfie yeeeehaaaaa fashion, and actually start thinking properly about it! that's all I ask.
Outlaw, un-bloody-believable! You have the audacity, the bare faced cheek and effrontery to take me to task????
YOU are the one my friend who rudely slung mud in my direction on a point which you were 100% incorrect on, and you are not even man enough to admit it and apologise...... Grow some balls, toughen up cowboy!
You are quite correct about one thing though, EVERYBODY is entitled to their own opinion, until such a time that it appears to go against the general flow ie my opinion. You all are only interested in the popular jingoistic patriotism which encompassed all that was wrong with the Bush administration. I thought you guys were less 'Redneck' and more white collar than some of your ill informed neighbours down south? It appears I was wrong!
Its clear that anyone who dares to counter your opinions is either 'management', 'thick', 'stupid', 'selfish', 'shortsighted' and generally evil. These blinkered opinions manifest themselves despite attempts by the individual to present logical reason based arguments...... These arguments appear to get ignored and downtrodden with attempts to discourage and scare the poster away. This approach appears to work well in places like Iran, but sadly for you guys I have a modicum of intelligence and I carry my balls around in a wheelbarrow (its a figure of speech before anyone accuses me of pretending to have big knackers).
As I have said many times and indeed what all the evidence now points towards, is the fact that this whole sorry issue has absolutely nothing to do with Camp Mirage/Global security vs commercial, but has EVERYTHING to do with the Governments approach to protecting Air Canada and Lufthansa at all costs. The sooner you guys can admit to that, stop flag waving, and agree that the approach may be floored, the better, then maybe we can all work together to find a solution to the situation....... ALL the reports from reputable sources (as posted by Contacted above) confirm that the ONLY losers from this sorry saga are the travelling public AND believe it or not Air Canada!!!!
Stop shooting from the hip in Red neck Newfie yeeeehaaaaa fashion, and actually start thinking properly about it! that's all I ask.
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Thanks for ably proving my point mate, I of course forgot to mention the other one about people disagreeing with the general blinkered consensus are almost certainly on drugs or medication...... Cheers
Now was there anything useful you wanted to bring to the table or was it just the cr@p above?
Now was there anything useful you wanted to bring to the table or was it just the cr@p above?
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Looks like you love a pi$$ing contest boet!
Wow, from flight dispatcher sounds like kind of a dirty word from you to semi-retired CEO only director of a massive multi-national o.k. but we are trading just between 2 continents and some countries (your homeland included) in just a few short years not even one year!...... You are correct I now feel inadequate why, because you are just an airline captain?, and insanely jealous enough reason for that. How's the recession treated you buddy? very well, i.e. the mining industry in Africa is booming!! Personally I hardly noticed it better check your salary and T/Cs against last year's!!, but enough of my tales of woe indeed enough
You really shouldn't mock people who had the guts, the initiative and the means to quit an aviation business that is generally going down the drain...a business where people with limited qualifications are trapped...
Moderators please forgive me but that's just too much fun!!
Wow, from flight dispatcher sounds like kind of a dirty word from you to semi-retired CEO only director of a massive multi-national o.k. but we are trading just between 2 continents and some countries (your homeland included) in just a few short years not even one year!...... You are correct I now feel inadequate why, because you are just an airline captain?, and insanely jealous enough reason for that. How's the recession treated you buddy? very well, i.e. the mining industry in Africa is booming!! Personally I hardly noticed it better check your salary and T/Cs against last year's!!, but enough of my tales of woe indeed enough
You really shouldn't mock people who had the guts, the initiative and the means to quit an aviation business that is generally going down the drain...a business where people with limited qualifications are trapped...
Moderators please forgive me but that's just too much fun!!
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Back on topic......sadly the Canadian gubment may have the final say, no matter where it stands or who's right or wrong etc. Could they in fact halt Ek's and EY's overflight freedom/authorisation/approval? Imagine what that would do to their expansion plans. Secondly, how many flights are there by Qantas, BA, Air France and the rest? Seems they probably have more than six. How's that protecting AC jobs?
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Ahhh, I see its a virtual trading company...... Its not called F2 Investments by any chance is it?
Incidentally, I am genuinely pleased it has worked out for you, but I'm still intrigued as to why you spend a proportion of your amazing life floating around a forum which by rights shouldn't interest you one jot. Is it an attempt to gloat or try to make people more miserable? In any case I stand by my original assessment, you are pretty damned sad my friend!
Incidentally, I am genuinely pleased it has worked out for you, but I'm still intrigued as to why you spend a proportion of your amazing life floating around a forum which by rights shouldn't interest you one jot. Is it an attempt to gloat or try to make people more miserable? In any case I stand by my original assessment, you are pretty damned sad my friend!
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With each of your posts, my opinion indicator moves closer and closer to the "complete Idiot" end of the scale, further and further away from the "complete Genius" end. (not that I should expect you to comply) but...
could you at least attempt to reverse the trend for me??? Say, somewhere toward the middle?
Give us a reasonable comment. That should do the trick.
btw, you ARE NOT Canadian, correct?
Willie
P.S. FWIW, I don't disagree with everything you have to say. But you do make this a fun read at times.
With each of your posts, my opinion indicator moves closer and closer to the "complete Idiot" end of the scale, further and further away from the "complete Genius" end. (not that I should expect you to comply) but...
could you at least attempt to reverse the trend for me??? Say, somewhere toward the middle?
Give us a reasonable comment. That should do the trick.
btw, you ARE NOT Canadian, correct?
Willie
P.S. FWIW, I don't disagree with everything you have to say. But you do make this a fun read at times.
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Your immaturity is an embarrassment to our community.
Although it would have been nice for us to get more flights to Canada and western Canada, most of the people here agree that the UAE handled this badly and it was us that cocked this up. Patience is a virtue and that combined with some classy diplomacy is all that would have been needed. The timing was wrong. Things are picking up, another 12 months and the results would be different, but I would be surprised if now anything will fall toward UAE. Instead now Qatar and Turkish are picking up slots now. And your submission that the UAE was doing Canada a favor by allowing it to stage its military here is equally embarrassing. We are all living on the same planet and we must all do our part to fight those that work to harm us. The old argument of competition and protecting Air Canada also does not fly. As we all know Canada is the epitome of social fairness. As we already know, there was a meeting with the UAE to meet halfway on new landing slots, but it was not enough.
So lets put this to bed now and try to rebuild the bridges and maybe in a year or so we can get a couple landing slots to Vancouver and Calgary. Maybe the UAE can buy some trains from Bombarier or whatever, but there are things that can be done if we want it enough.
Also, this talk of codeshare with a LCC is nonsense. That is not our target market.
Your immaturity is an embarrassment to our community.
Although it would have been nice for us to get more flights to Canada and western Canada, most of the people here agree that the UAE handled this badly and it was us that cocked this up. Patience is a virtue and that combined with some classy diplomacy is all that would have been needed. The timing was wrong. Things are picking up, another 12 months and the results would be different, but I would be surprised if now anything will fall toward UAE. Instead now Qatar and Turkish are picking up slots now. And your submission that the UAE was doing Canada a favor by allowing it to stage its military here is equally embarrassing. We are all living on the same planet and we must all do our part to fight those that work to harm us. The old argument of competition and protecting Air Canada also does not fly. As we all know Canada is the epitome of social fairness. As we already know, there was a meeting with the UAE to meet halfway on new landing slots, but it was not enough.
So lets put this to bed now and try to rebuild the bridges and maybe in a year or so we can get a couple landing slots to Vancouver and Calgary. Maybe the UAE can buy some trains from Bombarier or whatever, but there are things that can be done if we want it enough.
Also, this talk of codeshare with a LCC is nonsense. That is not our target market.
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Seeing both sides of the coin, there wasn't much point in jumping in. To be honest, I was having far too much fun watching it all go downhill. However, nolimitholden has once again demonstrated what ignorant posts are all about.
If you do actually work for EK, just like Oblaaspop, why the hell do you think he has a vested interest in Emirates operating more services to Canada? With all these aircraft coming, we need to send them somewhere and Canada has huge potential which Air Canada is simply not using.
It's called job security, and I get more of it when my own airline's aircraft are flying, not sitting on the ground collecting dust. Probably the very same job security that keeps all the moaners here years after they said they'd leave.
Anyway, for what it's worth, do I think the UAE is being childish over this? Yes I do. Do I think the Canadian governement lied about the real reason for EK not being given more flights. Yes I do. That's it.
Seconds out........round 5
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If you do actually work for EK, just like Oblaaspop, why the hell do you think he has a vested interest in Emirates operating more services to Canada? With all these aircraft coming, we need to send them somewhere and Canada has huge potential which Air Canada is simply not using.
It's called job security, and I get more of it when my own airline's aircraft are flying, not sitting on the ground collecting dust. Probably the very same job security that keeps all the moaners here years after they said they'd leave.
Anyway, for what it's worth, do I think the UAE is being childish over this? Yes I do. Do I think the Canadian governement lied about the real reason for EK not being given more flights. Yes I do. That's it.
Seconds out........round 5
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Protecting Air Canada......Hmmmmmm.
Who flies into YYZ....Alitalia, B.A., KLM, Air India, Lufthansa, PIA, United, American, Delta, Turkish Airlines, Carribean star, Air France, Korean Airlines, Cathay, Aeroflot, Ukrainian Airlines, Fedex, UPS, Martinair, Thomas cook, Tap, Lan Chili, SATA.......
Who was flying into YYZ.....
Olympic airways and Mexicana (when they were still around).......
Who's coming......
Sri-Lankan, Eygpt Air, Qatar airways, Kuwait Airways.
So I think if Canada allows so many to come to just YYZ, and they don't seem to be getting into a diplomatic row over landing rights. Does it make you wonder why a simple agreement could not be made with the UAE.
Maybe Canada is trying to protect Air Canada, and Westjet. Do we really want EK and EY to over take the industry like they have in Australia, and in Europe hurting so many airline jobs in those countries.
I hope not.
Who flies into YYZ....Alitalia, B.A., KLM, Air India, Lufthansa, PIA, United, American, Delta, Turkish Airlines, Carribean star, Air France, Korean Airlines, Cathay, Aeroflot, Ukrainian Airlines, Fedex, UPS, Martinair, Thomas cook, Tap, Lan Chili, SATA.......
Who was flying into YYZ.....
Olympic airways and Mexicana (when they were still around).......
Who's coming......
Sri-Lankan, Eygpt Air, Qatar airways, Kuwait Airways.
So I think if Canada allows so many to come to just YYZ, and they don't seem to be getting into a diplomatic row over landing rights. Does it make you wonder why a simple agreement could not be made with the UAE.
Maybe Canada is trying to protect Air Canada, and Westjet. Do we really want EK and EY to over take the industry like they have in Australia, and in Europe hurting so many airline jobs in those countries.
I hope not.