Getting out of EK
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Please understand...I never said EK is a bad place to work
... and jetblue is great...far from that....here at JB we are small LCC
where EK is Global airline.I been to DXB and I think its fun town. All I was trying to say was what I was told by few friends... some in the left seat and some in the right...As I said I don't work there so I don't know... hiring...again not as many as EK...this year around 100 and they are calling for 220 next yr... yes I commuting short flight DC area to NY....Yes I am lucky to hold this type trip I bid I start late and finish at 6 am where I will be home on my last day.....SLEEP
here is the type a trip I do
199 JFK-LAS 2120 2338 0518 0518 0539 0628
778 LAS-BOS 2350 0739 0449 0449
497 BOS-SEA 2048 2331 0543 0543 0606 0641 82 498 SEA-JFK 2144 0541 0457
D-END: 0556L T.A.F.B.: 8131 TRIP RIG: 0129
Total: 2047 0000 2322 2440
So yes I am home almost 20 days a month...Again thats just me not all 2200 pilots at jetblue....Upgrade was around 2 yrs on the BUS...Thats few yrs ago and 1 yr on the E190...Now if you were hired today.... I think 10 yrs would be a good guess...New hired will be on RSV 3 to 4 yrs...so again you see JB is not great for all but good for some just like EK, and EY or QR..Please understand I didn't mean to disrespect anybody at EK...if it came out that way I am really sorry and maybe I should remove my post.... Now Here is the best part.... all this good will end when AA come in buy us
...than trust me I will put my application in with EK and if I am lucky maybe get a call.
You guys are always welcome to ride us....if the gate agents give you a hard time just find one of us and we will find a way to get you on....Thanks for riding on us..
Be safe.
Please understand...I never said EK is a bad place to work
... and jetblue is great...far from that....here at JB we are small LCC where EK is Global airline.I been to DXB and I think its fun town. All I was trying to say was what I was told by few friends... some in the left seat and some in the right...As I said I don't work there so I don't know... hiring...again not as many as EK...this year around 100 and they are calling for 220 next yr... yes I commuting short flight DC area to NY....Yes I am lucky to hold this type trip I bid I start late and finish at 6 am where I will be home on my last day.....SLEEP here is the type a trip I do199 JFK-LAS 2120 2338 0518 0518 0539 0628
778 LAS-BOS 2350 0739 0449 0449
497 BOS-SEA 2048 2331 0543 0543 0606 0641 82 498 SEA-JFK 2144 0541 0457
D-END: 0556L T.A.F.B.: 8131 TRIP RIG: 0129
Total: 2047 0000 2322 2440
So yes I am home almost 20 days a month...Again thats just me not all 2200 pilots at jetblue....Upgrade was around 2 yrs on the BUS...Thats few yrs ago and 1 yr on the E190...Now if you were hired today.... I think 10 yrs would be a good guess...New hired will be on RSV 3 to 4 yrs...so again you see JB is not great for all but good for some just like EK, and EY or QR..Please understand I didn't mean to disrespect anybody at EK...if it came out that way I am really sorry and maybe I should remove my post.... Now Here is the best part.... all this good will end when AA come in buy us
...than trust me I will put my application in with EK and if I am lucky maybe get a call.You guys are always welcome to ride us....if the gate agents give you a hard time just find one of us and we will find a way to get you on....Thanks for riding on us..
Be safe.
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Before you guys get too much excited....
Quote: "After less than 10y at EK, I'm now +170000USD /year"
No deskjob, thank you!
Same deal as donpizmeov. TRI/TRE. So money includes training package.
BTW, excellent post Fred Garvin M.P. !
Quote: "After less than 10y at EK, I'm now +170000USD /year"
No deskjob, thank you!
Same deal as donpizmeov. TRI/TRE. So money includes training package.
BTW, excellent post Fred Garvin M.P. !
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Flynhigh,
Don't remove your post. It's good info. I don't think anyone took at is disrespecting EK at all. At least I didn't. It's simply a conversation here and you were posting your experience/info at JB. Just a conversation man. No need to apologize or remove your posts at all.
Don't remove your post. It's good info. I don't think anyone took at is disrespecting EK at all. At least I didn't. It's simply a conversation here and you were posting your experience/info at JB. Just a conversation man. No need to apologize or remove your posts at all.
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I have to agree with the assessment of the MP's post by 380 - nicely balanced and thoughtful!
I am not a TRE/TRI with EK - just been here 11 years on the line but I can say - and I get the housing allowance - that gross annual salary was over 800 000 dhs last year, not including per diems and provident fund contributions...so the other guys assessment is correct at well over 200 k USD per year as a package.
yes not much overtime paid anymore, and I dont have to send kids to school here so my cost base is a bit lower.
I have bad Dubai days too - and that is hard to handle sometimes but the package is as the other guys have discussed - and tax free for us Ozzies ( well at the moment! )
I was out in the desert with a few other guys the other day dirt bike riding and honestly it was hard not to smile with your own personal sand pit to play in, heat can be a killer and definitely not in Kansas any more Toto... but it is what you make of it and home is not always better overall.
Some more time off in a row with a return to T+Cs like before would be nice... but I dream?
Of course QATAR have just announced that they intend to recruit pilots and base them in North America ( DC) and Asia to reduce the cost base to recruit and retain them.
This came from Ali Bakar the CEO and his words were :" this will be game over for our competitors recruitment programme' unless they copy the model. We can increase productivity, reduce total employee costs and make everyone stay in the outfit longer. It is far cheaper to retain than train pilots. The narrow perception that airlines keep pilots locally based to retain salaries within the local economy is flawed and non-sensical. It is just that no one sees it yet but us" Reuters /AAP...
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I am not a TRE/TRI with EK - just been here 11 years on the line but I can say - and I get the housing allowance - that gross annual salary was over 800 000 dhs last year, not including per diems and provident fund contributions...so the other guys assessment is correct at well over 200 k USD per year as a package.
yes not much overtime paid anymore, and I dont have to send kids to school here so my cost base is a bit lower.
I have bad Dubai days too - and that is hard to handle sometimes but the package is as the other guys have discussed - and tax free for us Ozzies ( well at the moment! )
I was out in the desert with a few other guys the other day dirt bike riding and honestly it was hard not to smile with your own personal sand pit to play in, heat can be a killer and definitely not in Kansas any more Toto... but it is what you make of it and home is not always better overall.
Some more time off in a row with a return to T+Cs like before would be nice... but I dream?
Of course QATAR have just announced that they intend to recruit pilots and base them in North America ( DC) and Asia to reduce the cost base to recruit and retain them.
This came from Ali Bakar the CEO and his words were :" this will be game over for our competitors recruitment programme' unless they copy the model. We can increase productivity, reduce total employee costs and make everyone stay in the outfit longer. It is far cheaper to retain than train pilots. The narrow perception that airlines keep pilots locally based to retain salaries within the local economy is flawed and non-sensical. It is just that no one sees it yet but us" Reuters /AAP...
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Of course QATAR have just announced that they intend to recruit pilots and base them in North America ( DC) and Asia to reduce the cost base to recruit and retain them.
This came from Ali Bakar the CEO and his words were :" this will be game over for our competitors recruitment programme' unless they copy the model. We can increase productivity, reduce total employee costs and make everyone stay in the outfit longer. It is far cheaper to retain than train pilots. The narrow perception that airlines keep pilots locally based to retain salaries within the local economy is flawed and non-sensical. It is just that no one sees it yet but us" Reuters /AAP...
This came from Ali Bakar the CEO and his words were :" this will be game over for our competitors recruitment programme' unless they copy the model. We can increase productivity, reduce total employee costs and make everyone stay in the outfit longer. It is far cheaper to retain than train pilots. The narrow perception that airlines keep pilots locally based to retain salaries within the local economy is flawed and non-sensical. It is just that no one sees it yet but us" Reuters /AAP...
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The first Gulf carrier to offer basing will solve it's recruitment problems straight away and if that quote is correct it is the most sensible thing to come out of Qatar management for years.
The "logic" of trying to keep all the money paid to expats in the local economy is flawed but I'm a bit surprised Qatar blinked first. I can't find the quote either mind, and this is a rumour network!
The "logic" of trying to keep all the money paid to expats in the local economy is flawed but I'm a bit surprised Qatar blinked first. I can't find the quote either mind, and this is a rumour network!
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Geordie hit it on the head re runour net... but....."if we build it then they will come"
amazing how a bit of soft rollout can get things actually to happenin what is a dog eat dog market.
Disinformation is a powerful thing ya know..
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amazing how a bit of soft rollout can get things actually to happenin what is a dog eat dog market.
Disinformation is a powerful thing ya know..
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For Qater basings is win-win. The employee wins 'cause he gets his base.
Qatar wins because they reduce costs and basing a pilot is cheaper. The problem is pilots think they are going to get it all. I've had this discussion many times in the flight deck with guys assuming a basing will be paid and operated in the same way as the 'local' contract.
My guess is a 'basing' will operate something like this:
It will not be a true basing. The contract and terms will still be based in Doha (or whatever city). The rosters will just be built beginning and ending in the 'base'. You will still be paid in local currency into a local bank account. No school allowance if the country of basing provides free schooling. No medical. No housing. Just base pay and flying pay. You can request days off only within the seniority of your base. The flying will be based on co. requirements (ie. you'll fly DC-Doha, overnight, do some night turns or whatever they can fit in, then fly back).
This is how they will save money--all those extras, housing, schooling etc will no longer be paid. They certainly won't pay MORE to cover taxes as so many seem to believe. At least my best guess is they will not!
Qatar wins because they reduce costs and basing a pilot is cheaper. The problem is pilots think they are going to get it all. I've had this discussion many times in the flight deck with guys assuming a basing will be paid and operated in the same way as the 'local' contract.
My guess is a 'basing' will operate something like this:
It will not be a true basing. The contract and terms will still be based in Doha (or whatever city). The rosters will just be built beginning and ending in the 'base'. You will still be paid in local currency into a local bank account. No school allowance if the country of basing provides free schooling. No medical. No housing. Just base pay and flying pay. You can request days off only within the seniority of your base. The flying will be based on co. requirements (ie. you'll fly DC-Doha, overnight, do some night turns or whatever they can fit in, then fly back).
This is how they will save money--all those extras, housing, schooling etc will no longer be paid. They certainly won't pay MORE to cover taxes as so many seem to believe. At least my best guess is they will not!
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Would still like to take a look at the link to the actual quote if anyone can post it please. Haven't been able to find it online yet, but haven't looked terribly hard either.
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Looking from the inside out at QTR any idea of outstation basing seems about as possible as Ahmadinejad being invited for afternoon Tea with Mr. and Ms. Dick Cheney...
Would love to believe it, BUT have to see the actual press release, if anyone can dig it up...
Would love to believe it, BUT have to see the actual press release, if anyone can dig it up...
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Is this post a joke? Americans leaving EK just because Delta, Airtran, and JetBlue are hiring? Lets get real. Delta announced hiring 300, lots of those will be Compass and XJ flowthroughs. Rest are military and civilians from regionals and all other walks of life. They have 6000+ applications of heavily qualified people, and MANY of those with internal recs. Airtran? Hiring 160, and thousands of apps in already. JetBlue, a handful this year, 100 or so, and again, thousands of apps to the point they closed their pilot window online!
There are no jobs here, only a trickle, and for those few jobs, there are thousands of applicants already. You'd be willing to leave EK to come back to the US, only to face a furlough when this economy here goes double dip recession? Stay away. I thought people left to go to EK because they are just tired and fed up with what has happened to this airline industry in the US. Man if EK interviewed and hired me, I'd never look back. (And yes, I've already been to Dubai).
There are no jobs here, only a trickle, and for those few jobs, there are thousands of applicants already. You'd be willing to leave EK to come back to the US, only to face a furlough when this economy here goes double dip recession? Stay away. I thought people left to go to EK because they are just tired and fed up with what has happened to this airline industry in the US. Man if EK interviewed and hired me, I'd never look back. (And yes, I've already been to Dubai).
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How ironic. Somebody telling us to stay away from the US while many EK drivers tell people to stay away from EK.
Flyer it seems "you know better" than the EK drivers cause you've already been to Dubai.
You're in for a shock when you live here rather than visit, and I can tolerate the place.
Flyer it seems "you know better" than the EK drivers cause you've already been to Dubai.
You're in for a shock when you live here rather than visit, and I can tolerate the place.
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Greetings from HKG - I am not saying that this proposed basings deal won't work but I think QR will be in for a shocker...
An airline with a green tail based in HKG has had people rostered and based out of Oz, NZ, Canada, the US and Europe since about 1995; only in 2001 when we had some serious labour disputes as well as subsequent lawsuits in the pilots' respective countries woke up the tax authorities and ordered our airline to "on-shore" their pilots in order to comply with tax laws. Now since last year every pilot in our airline who is not based in HKG is employed at the airline's respective onshoring company with a local (ie. Canadian, Aussie and so on) contract and pay transfered into a local (ie. Canadian, Aussie and so on) bank account. This of course means that the formation of unions, proper pay negotiations, respect for labour laws and basic human rights and so on must/can take place at the place of employment and the airline just can't ignore that.
Reading these forums I just cannot simply believe that an Arab airline is going to put up with Western labour laws and their associated effects on their operation so they can base their pilots and save money - unless the cost savings are so substantial.
Of course I wish every QR pilot that this will work but I really wanna see it first...
AB
Greetings from HKG - I am not saying that this proposed basings deal won't work but I think QR will be in for a shocker...
An airline with a green tail based in HKG has had people rostered and based out of Oz, NZ, Canada, the US and Europe since about 1995; only in 2001 when we had some serious labour disputes as well as subsequent lawsuits in the pilots' respective countries woke up the tax authorities and ordered our airline to "on-shore" their pilots in order to comply with tax laws. Now since last year every pilot in our airline who is not based in HKG is employed at the airline's respective onshoring company with a local (ie. Canadian, Aussie and so on) contract and pay transfered into a local (ie. Canadian, Aussie and so on) bank account. This of course means that the formation of unions, proper pay negotiations, respect for labour laws and basic human rights and so on must/can take place at the place of employment and the airline just can't ignore that.
Reading these forums I just cannot simply believe that an Arab airline is going to put up with Western labour laws and their associated effects on their operation so they can base their pilots and save money - unless the cost savings are so substantial.
Of course I wish every QR pilot that this will work but I really wanna see it first...
AB
For Qater basings is win-win. The employee wins 'cause he gets his base.
Qatar wins because they reduce costs and basing a pilot is cheaper. The problem is pilots think they are going to get it all. I've had this discussion many times in the flight deck with guys assuming a basing will be paid and operated in the same way as the 'local' contract.
My guess is a 'basing' will operate something like this:
It will not be a true basing. The contract and terms will still be based in Doha (or whatever city). The rosters will just be built beginning and ending in the 'base'. You will still be paid in local currency into a local bank account. No school allowance if the country of basing provides free schooling. No medical. No housing. Just base pay and flying pay. You can request days off only within the seniority of your base. The flying will be based on co. requirements (ie. you'll fly DC-Doha, overnight, do some night turns or whatever they can fit in, then fly back).
This is how they will save money--all those extras, housing, schooling etc will no longer be paid. They certainly won't pay MORE to cover taxes as so many seem to believe. At least my best guess is they will not!
Qatar wins because they reduce costs and basing a pilot is cheaper. The problem is pilots think they are going to get it all. I've had this discussion many times in the flight deck with guys assuming a basing will be paid and operated in the same way as the 'local' contract.
My guess is a 'basing' will operate something like this:
It will not be a true basing. The contract and terms will still be based in Doha (or whatever city). The rosters will just be built beginning and ending in the 'base'. You will still be paid in local currency into a local bank account. No school allowance if the country of basing provides free schooling. No medical. No housing. Just base pay and flying pay. You can request days off only within the seniority of your base. The flying will be based on co. requirements (ie. you'll fly DC-Doha, overnight, do some night turns or whatever they can fit in, then fly back).
This is how they will save money--all those extras, housing, schooling etc will no longer be paid. They certainly won't pay MORE to cover taxes as so many seem to believe. At least my best guess is they will not!
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Since we talk about Qatar let me link you somenthing:
Qatar earmarks $5bln for Greek investments - The Mainichi Daily News
There might be an actual base in Athens...
Qatar earmarks $5bln for Greek investments - The Mainichi Daily News
There might be an actual base in Athens...
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How ironic. Somebody telling us to stay away from the US while many EK drivers tell people to stay away from EK.
Flyer it seems "you know better" than the EK drivers cause you've already been to Dubai.
You're in for a shock when you live here rather than visit, and I can tolerate the place.
Flyer it seems "you know better" than the EK drivers cause you've already been to Dubai.
You're in for a shock when you live here rather than visit, and I can tolerate the place.
And on a side note, I've lived in Lahore for 8 years. Dubai is paradise in comparison. So yes, I can live in Dubai, and I can tolerate it better than you might imagine.
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This of course means that the formation of unions, proper pay negotiations, respect for labour laws and basic human rights and so on must/can take place at the place of employment and the airline just can't ignore that.
Reading these forums I just cannot simply believe that an Arab airline is going to put up with Western labour laws and their associated effects on their operation so they can base their pilots and save money - unless the cost savings are so substantial.
Reading these forums I just cannot simply believe that an Arab airline is going to put up with Western labour laws and their associated effects on their operation so they can base their pilots and save money - unless the cost savings are so substantial.
WHO KNEW?!
