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Could you be more specific on which part has delays?
I wanted to decide of it is tolerable, measn still ok.
Once you have done the training how long usually is the waiting time to comence doing the line training with Air Arabia?
Thank you!
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Let's be very clear , there is NO job with air Arabia after you have finished. And yes it will take YEARS to finish, after that good luck getting them to give you a full atpl. Further oversupply in the market with less demand in the Middle East , where will you go ? Will you have the skill and knowledge level to pass an assessment anywhere else after being spoon fed everything ? Some might , I take it most will struggle .
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I've been told to wait till 2018 !!!
Alpha said my UAE residency entry permit was refused the first time. They told me I could reapply in couple of months.
Today I pressed them for a definitive date and they said next year.
Well I guess everything happens for a reason.
I have friends flying for Air Arabia, the situation is not very good, there are too many FO without contracts, any new cadets after 1500hours will not receive contracts, there are delays in the Sims, some students had to wait a very long time before commencing their flight training.
Alpha said my UAE residency entry permit was refused the first time. They told me I could reapply in couple of months.
Today I pressed them for a definitive date and they said next year.
Well I guess everything happens for a reason.
I have friends flying for Air Arabia, the situation is not very good, there are too many FO without contracts, any new cadets after 1500hours will not receive contracts, there are delays in the Sims, some students had to wait a very long time before commencing their flight training.
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1. Most MPLS who got inducted in 2011 are currently in various stages of command upgrade programme. Some of them scheduled to finish line training this month end. We are actually short of Capts now. its just one of those cycles where we are either short of capts or FOs. 4 years back we had multiple flights with 2 capts due to lack of FOs.
2. This region has been unstable for one reason or the other. we lost Syrian and Yemen destinations along with overfly permits as well. The other hubs apart from SHJ never really got off. Having said that they have announced new destinations starting next month.
3. Most FOs who chose not to upgrade are flying in EK, EY and QR. a few in Salaam, Saudi gulf and far east in Vietnam.
4. current bunch of MPL passouts are facing uncertain times as there are no confirmed jobs available after 1500 hrs contracts but atleast they get their ATPL before they leave. i have no clue about bond. Before QR was an attractive airline as they needed just 1000 hrs on type. Dont know how the current regional crisis is going to affect movement to that side
5. Still we do have regular resignations of FOs moving to EK. They keep calling our guys on a weekly basis. Bumped into 5 of our ex FOs in EK training college cafeteria a while ago.
6. 1500 to 2000 hrs of flying right seat in ABY is really worth it as it exposes the FOS to a lot of varied flying conditions. Atleast in ABY it is strictly one sector Capt PF and the other sector for FO. and FO PF means from eng start , taxi , takeoff, landing , taxi in , eng shut down till parking. you get to land in 45 degs bumpy conditions into SHJ and ME region (as it is now...pity the trainees) and -25 deg in Moscow or Kiev. Land in 5000 ft elevation in Nairobi , shoot VOR approaches in Iran/Saudi/Pakistan/India/Bangladesh. NDB approaches into certain airfields in iran.
So its all fun...and a little bit of hardwork...but well worth its while.
Most of ex ABY FOs have passed assessments in the other big 3 airlines. Many of them holding 2 offers from EY and EK. So yeah the FOs are pretty wet behind their ears when they start off...but in a couple of years they are doing just fine.
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Well the first batch is perhaps lucky, there won't be a ton of upgrades I can assure you ! Put out an advertisement and you'll get hundreds of qualified people , far far simpler than an uograde program!
Yeah it's very indicative about the sad state of affairs at EK where they have to take a brand new ATPL from an MPL background , shows you how desperate things have gotten
Yeah you still pay the bond of you leave
Alpha is a joke , completely disorganized and full of folk who think they are better than everyone else .
This is an expensive risky gig where many are stuck at the moment , if you had half a brain you would figure a more efficient way to get a career going
Yeah it's very indicative about the sad state of affairs at EK where they have to take a brand new ATPL from an MPL background , shows you how desperate things have gotten
Yeah you still pay the bond of you leave
Alpha is a joke , completely disorganized and full of folk who think they are better than everyone else .
This is an expensive risky gig where many are stuck at the moment , if you had half a brain you would figure a more efficient way to get a career going
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Air Arabia are on my no fly list. The shambles that is this MPL of theirs has made me wonder what the hell is going on in their flt ops/training department. They don't seem to have a clue what they are doing.
I wouldn't trust them to make me my dinner, let alone carry my body and soul 35,000ft in the air!
I wouldn't trust them to make me my dinner, let alone carry my body and soul 35,000ft in the air!
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They're not unsafe , in fact I think their training is quite good.
The problem with alpha and ABY is that it is a complete scam and rip off
Management is not helpful at all , they will let you starve better offering you pennies on the dollar
The problem with alpha and ABY is that it is a complete scam and rip off
Management is not helpful at all , they will let you starve better offering you pennies on the dollar
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wow you managed to insult 500+ pilots in one go...like any airline with a reasonably sized fleet (40+ aircraft) we do have our share of ASRs but atleast touch-wood so far we have been managing safety on a proactive basis. Since we had alpha cadets coming in batches atleast restrictions have been placed on their operations to certain airports in certain seasons till they get 750 hrs on type. After that they have a performance review flight(s) Same for new upgrades as well.
The topic here was the mgmt of alpha and aby for the MPL programme ...but you managed to write off the entire training and operations dept of ABY sitting on your comfy chair
Wish you could say this after you made a successful landing into some of the destinations we operate to.
Just to let you know. cadets have to pass various stages during their line training....and the training sectors get extended multiple times if it cannot be seen that the cadet can land in certain conditions into certain airfields. They also have to fly these approaches fully RAW mode without autothrust, autopilot or flight directors (idiot bars). Have you tried that in 45 deg C with the thermals bouncing you all the way down to touchdown? say Medina for instance or Khartoum or Shiraz? Landing everyday into SHJ with a 10 to 15kt tailwind?
Atleast i find the pilots know to fly their planes here....whilst i was working for an award winning airline in the same region i realized some had forgotten how to handfly completely.
On a side note: From your posts looks like you yourself are an MPL hopeful with easyjet... so you will understand what i am saying once you finish your Line training. Good luck with your training and future.
wow you managed to insult 500+ pilots in one go...like any airline with a reasonably sized fleet (40+ aircraft) we do have our share of ASRs but atleast touch-wood so far we have been managing safety on a proactive basis. Since we had alpha cadets coming in batches atleast restrictions have been placed on their operations to certain airports in certain seasons till they get 750 hrs on type. After that they have a performance review flight(s) Same for new upgrades as well.
The topic here was the mgmt of alpha and aby for the MPL programme ...but you managed to write off the entire training and operations dept of ABY sitting on your comfy chair
Wish you could say this after you made a successful landing into some of the destinations we operate to.Just to let you know. cadets have to pass various stages during their line training....and the training sectors get extended multiple times if it cannot be seen that the cadet can land in certain conditions into certain airfields. They also have to fly these approaches fully RAW mode without autothrust, autopilot or flight directors (idiot bars). Have you tried that in 45 deg C with the thermals bouncing you all the way down to touchdown? say Medina for instance or Khartoum or Shiraz? Landing everyday into SHJ with a 10 to 15kt tailwind?
Atleast i find the pilots know to fly their planes here....whilst i was working for an award winning airline in the same region i realized some had forgotten how to handfly completely.
On a side note: From your posts looks like you yourself are an MPL hopeful with easyjet... so you will understand what i am saying once you finish your Line training. Good luck with your training and future.
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It did not help ABY when EK and EY reduced their minimum qualification time to 2500 jet hours .....so more FOs qualified into these carriers as well.
Mgmt woke up and realized this and started putting in a concrete upgrade program. The minimum qualification for upgrade in ABY is 4500 hrs in company but they started identifying suitable candidates above 3500 hrs and put them in a queue.
So yes the upgrade carrot is now dangling in front of these FOs...and yet some still are leaving. How many will eventually upgrade...that is for time to tell.
Infact 2 of my friends(320 Capts in other carriers) have offer letters from ABY for the past 9 months now but have not been given joining dates...i really don't think they will be called. Even they have given up hopes of joining. (and there goes my employee referral bonus as well
) so looks like they prefer internal upgrades now. All said and done....yeah i see alpha cadets still waiting for months between their sim and line training begins. Recently went for a base training flight with 3 cadets and had time to finish only for 1 guy, the remaining two could not fly and later got to know they had to do their SIM check again as it had expired
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It is far cheaper to hire DECs , and ABY only cares about money , your career grow is the least of their concerns.
Joining alpha is very very risky.
Well doing items on the sim again for not completing base training within 28 days is common however to get these guys to organize that for you is ridiculously long , and for the most part they couldn't give a rats @$* if you finish or not
This place is all about money , alpha will try and sell you a dream job and make you pay big bucks for an assessment . Join at your own risk
Joining alpha is very very risky.
Well doing items on the sim again for not completing base training within 28 days is common however to get these guys to organize that for you is ridiculously long , and for the most part they couldn't give a rats @$* if you finish or not
This place is all about money , alpha will try and sell you a dream job and make you pay big bucks for an assessment . Join at your own risk
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Ground school might be the only phase that will go smoothly, once you're done with ground school. You will be facing delays going to Europe for your flight training. Once you get back from Europe you will be facing delays getting in SIM.
With all the delays it could take more than 2 years to complete. Not to mention accommodation, and food which you will be paying.
Facing all odds lets say you do complete your training with Alpha, you may or may not get their contract. They may not let your get your ATPL they will keep delaying so that you will work for them on a low pay for a very long time 
How do I know all this, I have friends working in ABY
Ground school might be the only phase that will go smoothly, once you're done with ground school. You will be facing delays going to Europe for your flight training. Once you get back from Europe you will be facing delays getting in SIM.
With all the delays it could take more than 2 years to complete. Not to mention accommodation, and food which you will be paying.
Facing all odds lets say you do complete your training with Alpha, you may or may not get their contract. They may not let your get your ATPL
they will keep delaying so that you will work for them on a low pay for a very long time How do I know all this, I have friends working in ABY
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I dont hear of much progress at all at alpha, unless someone here can shed more light, course is getting more expensive by the day and no chance of ever making your money back within 5-8 years.
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No contract guaranteed
It costs 630k dhs from 2018 and they never promise contract. They've got more than enough FOs and SOs. They give few contract and the rest are kicked out.
Even if contract is offered after 1500, if FO refuses, they terminate you without notice period.
Takes way too longer than the school says. Forget about 18months.
Without contract you earn nothing. No travel benefit. No annual leave ticket. Your ID will include "TEMPORARY"
If Qatar mpl is available it's way better than this course. They at least hire the students with permanent contract at the end of the course. Both courses have bond anyway.
Some fail and school doesn't give a chance to redo it. They can kick you out anytime they want. They can make you repeat anytime they want too.
Even if contract is offered after 1500, if FO refuses, they terminate you without notice period.
Takes way too longer than the school says. Forget about 18months.
Without contract you earn nothing. No travel benefit. No annual leave ticket. Your ID will include "TEMPORARY"
If Qatar mpl is available it's way better than this course. They at least hire the students with permanent contract at the end of the course. Both courses have bond anyway.
Some fail and school doesn't give a chance to redo it. They can kick you out anytime they want. They can make you repeat anytime they want too.
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It never takes 18months. Please double it at least.
Delay is not explained by the school.
Without permanent contract the money you get will be nothing and no tickets will be available for you with any other airlines.
With contract you have 150k bond.
Delay is not explained by the school.
Without permanent contract the money you get will be nothing and no tickets will be available for you with any other airlines.
With contract you have 150k bond.