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Old 12th Dec 2016, 02:31
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If you were the FO who had that incident in KRT, I agree you had a hard deal.
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Old 12th Dec 2016, 07:55
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Lol no I was not. I don't fly for ABY. I don't work in the sandpit, and I don't fly the a320.

I fly the bigger bus quite far away but have a very good idea on how the sand box works .

What happened in KRT? MPL incident ?
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Old 13th Dec 2016, 12:38
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Okay thanks!
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 18:45
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The program itself is about 20k+ USD more than CTC's QR program, add the accommodation costs + the poor starting salary in comparison, you're running at about 225k usd debt, at a salary that pays 1500/mo usd to start...and then 5000 usd/mo basic FO...just wow....dont forget the bond with the type rating cost infused to make sure you dont leave!

Seem's like a scheme for the rich already living in the sandpits...
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 21:45
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Originally Posted by striker26 View Post
The program itself is about 20k+ USD more than CTC's QR program, add the accommodation costs + the poor starting salary in comparison, you're running at about 225k usd debt, at a salary that pays 1500/mo usd to start...and then 5000 usd/mo basic FO...just wow....dont forget the bond with the type rating cost infused to make sure you dont leave!

Seem's like a scheme for the rich already living in the sandpits...
20K+ USD compared to the CTC Whitewings scheme. But in return 1500H on A320, provided you are passing to ABY's standard. I'm not going to rant and rave about the course but it beats what other FTO's offer in terms of frozen ATPL.

CTC also have a nifty clause which says 98% of pilots go on to be FO's. The catch being this also includes their own scheme which is far from meaningful employment as a FO.

Now it's up to you which you would prefer..
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 15:37
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20K+ USD compared to the CTC Whitewings scheme. But in return 1500H on A320, provided you are passing to ABY's standard. I'm not going to rant and rave about the course but it beats what other FTO's offer in terms of frozen ATPL.

CTC also have a nifty clause which says 98% of pilots go on to be FO's. The catch being this also includes their own scheme which is far from meaningful employment as a FO.

Now it's up to you which you would prefer..
I'm not sure why you're such an avid fan of this scheme, it really is diabolical, but each to their own, I just couldn't afford it (even if I could I wouldn't go here though).

Becoming a pilot these days is almost like making an investment. This scheme is one of the poorer investments on all fronts. The school's attitude towards its students and those inquiring says everything you need to know about them anyway.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 17:21
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Originally Posted by Officer Kite View Post
I'm not sure why you're such an avid fan of this scheme, it really is diabolical, but each to their own, I just couldn't afford it (even if I could I wouldn't go here though).

Becoming a pilot these days is almost like making an investment. This scheme is one of the poorer investments on all fronts. The school's attitude towards its students and those inquiring says everything you need to know about them anyway.
You are correct and the price is steep. Thankfully I am enrolled in a cadet program back home, but this would have been my main choice given the hours. Cadets that perform will make it, otherwise yes you are at the mercy of the airline.

What more is there to say?
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 17:30
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You hit the nail with the schools attitude. They could care less and are arrogant. Part of the problem is the students themselves , just visit the place , rich kids , uniforms are worn poorly, talking loudly , excessive smoking and selfie taking is all present. Not professional
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 20:28
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Originally Posted by pfvspnf View Post
You hit the nail with the schools attitude. They could care less and are arrogant. Part of the problem is the students themselves , just visit the place , rich kids , uniforms are worn poorly, talking loudly , excessive smoking and selfie taking is all present. Not professional
Excessive smoking yes. I was surprised by that too. As for attitude etc, I can only focus on myself and I believe its a big part. Accepting the environment and making it work no matter what.

Those who perform in the top of the batch have no problems or so I was given the impression.
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 20:16
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Originally Posted by Aiza View Post
right now the only actual problem are the delays. the company doesnt loose anything to make you wait, therefore there are massive delays between every stage of this program. these delays go All the way to the line training.

sum total of delays between each stage plus delays for base training and plus delays in the line training, imagine the amount of extra money you pay for accomadation after already paying 440k(550k now), the 18 months course is the training period, not the total time you spend with Alpha( it doesnt include delays ). it takes almost 22 months to 30 months to get your license.

After you get released as a first officer, you'll have a decsent pay almost of 15k AED and good roster. basically, the good life starts at this point.


the 5000 salary and the unpredicted roster makes it only worse.

imagine if you had left your job for this or had some commitments or planned any other personal need, and suddenly your training gets delayed.

other wise this program is the best, refer to my prev post on this thread regarding the pros and cons of this program. do asses these factors before comming here . Air Arabia have the best managment and staff, they are very kind and open, the company values and respects its workforce . The Ceo was awarded the best ceo award too. The Alpha staff are also very nice . Both Alpha and air arabia are very strict in their policies including the uniform policy. As for smoking, thats a personal problem and we cant blame anybody except the smoking induvidual for that.

ignore pfvspnf , he is a failed cadet from Alpha philipines, he doesnt have anything good to say because of the way this company had operated in that country.

good luck
I think this is a balanced view Aiza, thank you. As for delays do you think this is something that will get better over time? I agree it is costly to wait around. But last I heard there were only delays of 1mo after ground school waiting for visas to begin core flying.
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 21:56
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its not true , its a marketing technique , the delays increase with time because of reduced capacity and the Alpha finds it efficient to operate like this.

I can understand that. Thank you for your insight.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 05:29
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excuse me? Failed cadet from the philippines?
Why state things that are untrue?

Never been an MPL cadet, never been enrolled in alpha, dont know what you get that from

Ive never failed an OPC or a line check (touchwood)

Is it not true that the school is an enlarged porta cabin?
is it not true that so many of its students are immature?
is it not true that the admin is slow and rude?
is it not true that you are not guarenteed a job and can be cut at anytime with no refund?

please dont accuse me when you dont know me.
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Old 17th Dec 2016, 22:40
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Originally Posted by pfvspnf View Post
Is it not true that the school is an enlarged porta cabin?
Facilities are a located near the Sharjah Airport Cargo Zone. No porta-cabin, but far from the most luxurious 8 stars habbibi. Also, FFS facilities are provided by ABY itself.

is it not true that so many of its students are immature?
Will the other cadets be sitting your exams? Just focus on being a great pilot. Each batch will have it's strong and weak points.

is it not true that the admin is slow and rude?
Can't comment too much. They can be slow but everything needs to pass the authorities, especially during the initial stages. Again I have never experienced rude, but I have experienced blunt.

is it not true that you are not guarenteed a job and can be cut at anytime with no refund?
Show me a FTO that guarantees you a job? It's all down to your own hard work. ICAO shows that ABY hires the most MPL cadets to date. (and all through AAG)
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Old 18th Dec 2016, 04:07
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Thanks for clearing that up , I'm sure people that are joining feel much more at ease haha!
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 04:48
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Ignoring other people's opinions. I'll give you an "A" for CRM, you must be a bundle of joy to fly with!
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 06:00
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Easy boys easy! We don't need personal grudges here!
There are "good" as well as "bad" sides of any organization. In this case Air Arabia/Alpha. This is a platform where such issues can be highlighted. One has to be prudent enough to understand what suits him/her the most...

It's been a few years Alpha has been running and as of today, I offer my personal opinion below. Just for the record, I am long time with Air Arabia and all the info is first hand and not based on what I hear/read!!!! I will save the best for the last so I start with disadvantages first!

Disadvantages of Alpha / Air Arabia
1. MPL course is expensive! (But the fastest way to reach right seat of A320)
2. Delays in training. (All flight schools have delays! Name one school in the world which guarantees a license within the time promised!)
3. No job guarantee. (Most cadets still end up getting contracts. A small percentage don't. You still get your 1500h on A320 and MPL unfreezes to become a "full unrestricted ATPL" unless you yourself drop out of the course or don't make thru the training. So far I am aware of only one cadet who did not make it! Also remember, there are NO GUARANTEES in aviation. It has to be performance based and unfortunately there is no place for non performing guys. Harsh reality but that's how it should be!
4. Low salary initially
5. Some immature cadets (this has nothing to do with the airline/flight school or MPL/non MPL. These exceptions will be the same anywhere they go!)

Advantages
1. Still the fastest why to reach the RHS of a A320
2. Top notch training. Even a brand new FO I fly with does an excellent job!
3. Excellent exposure. One of the finest places to fly in terms of experience. Air Arabia exploits entire envelope of the A320! Hot wx ops, cold wx ops, ETOPS, monsoon, complex airfields, escape routes, uncontrolled airfields, etc
4. Excellent cockpit / management culture. We have open door policy! Free to walk to chief pilot/ director ops anytime! Very friendly atmosphere with ground staff, engineering, cabin crew, etc. Very good CRM, capts don't give hard time to FOs
5. Decent career progression. Several MPL guys successfully flying in EK/EY/Qatar etc. The initial batches who continued to stay back, nearing their command!!!
6. Supportive management. Cadets (if required) are given extra training, observation flights, extra simulator session, extra training flights.

Yes, there are few problems in the company (like any other company) but the fact is Alpha is a successful course for cadets as well as Air Arabia and most people are extremely happy to be here!

Hope this helps!
Happy Holidays and safe flying!
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 14:43
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A known friend of mine wanted to get in this course, he had been saving for it past 3 years.. back then it was only AED 1500/- for the one time assessment fee, which turned to AED 3000/- till early this year and now apparently excluding Class 1 medical (which is around 2500/-) it's around AED 7000/- just for the "selection" assessment only, the overall course fee (excluding assessment and Class 1) went up from around 420,000 couple years back to recently till now something about AED 570,000 and now for next year they are revising the prices (unconfirmed) don't expect anything less, maybe a 600k+... The training centre in Greece for core flying is no more and its currently with G Air in Portugal.. They have a few delays between coreflying and line/base training.. starting salary as junior F.O is 5k AED/month till you do your sectors. Overall costs are excluding accommodation, visa, uniforms, transport to and from the academy etc,. In my honest opinion its too pricey for a Pay~to~fly program but if you've got daddy's money or extra cash to pool out, it's not a bad option as this gets you typed on a A320 with 1500h ATPL. Don't drain down, I've heard better from CTC. It all comes down to personal choice. It is an expensive course but you'll make it through.
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Old 4th Jan 2017, 18:38
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K.Swiss!

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I have sent you a pm. Can you please check it?
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 06:11
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Hi everyone, I'm doing the AAA assessment on the 24th Jan and am currently prepping. Appreciate is may not be the most difficult of tests but still would like to be prepared as much as poss.

Does anyone know if you are able to use a calculator on the maths and physics sections? It says we are in the instructions but I'm still not 100% sure if it has changed since the last 'restructure' and they just haven't updates their collateral.

Also are the numerical and scientific reasoning questions or simple questions?

thanks in advance if anyone has additional info.

James
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 16:22
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Practice up to a-level standard and you will be fine. It's not a walk in the park, the information is correct. MCQ and calculator allowed.
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