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Attn Alpha:
Stratocruiser 377. In your recent post you refer to Teething Problems at Alpha. The Cambridge dictionary online definition of this plural noun is : "problems connected with a new product, or problems at the beginning of a process or activity": Note the word BEGINNING.
RP-C000. The Cambridge dictionary definition of Should be Shot is, "said when you think that someone's actions are extremely unreasonable". It has nothing to do with any physical act of violence.
Stratocruiser 377. In your recent post you refer to Teething Problems at Alpha. The Cambridge dictionary online definition of this plural noun is : "problems connected with a new product, or problems at the beginning of a process or activity": Note the word BEGINNING.
RP-C000. The Cambridge dictionary definition of Should be Shot is, "said when you think that someone's actions are extremely unreasonable". It has nothing to do with any physical act of violence.
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Alpha was not banned from flying in Sharjah. It voluntarily closed the flightline
Stratocruiser377, you might want to get your facts straight, yes Alpha had announced that they would close the flight line in Sharjah, but only after they finished training all students that were currently flying. However they had an accident during a solo flight, and the GCAA put a stop to the flight training. This is why there are a few students who are stuck in Sharjah without having completed Core Flying, and now being delayed while waiting to go to Australia instead to continue.
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Our World Today
Hi Taras B, I had a look at your link to "our world today", and if I was in an Airline interview, and someone asked me to comment on that photo, I would sum it up in one word: "Alpha"
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Sadly those students will have to start all over again and also have to wait until may!
Now tell me if that had happened to any one of u what would u think off it.
I spoke to one of the students and he is pissed. Very pissed.
and bluesky I LOVE ur thought on the picture!
Now tell me if that had happened to any one of u what would u think off it.
I spoke to one of the students and he is pissed. Very pissed.
and bluesky I LOVE ur thought on the picture!
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Honestpilot: I don’t think those students will have to start all over again. If I’m not mistaken, the company they are going to in Australia have developed a customised training plan for them, which includes conversion onto their aircraft, assessment flights, and then continuation of training from where they left off in Sharjah. This has all also been approved by the GCAA. (but I will have to double check to make sure this is correct).
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GCAA's point of view
Gents (or ladies if any),
The TRUTH is that GCAA will not comment on anything, rightfully so, due to professionalism in the industry & their status as the overlords of the very safe UAE airspace. That said, the GCAA has asked AAG to NOT accept further cadets till they prove that they have enough instructors. So for now let us assume that the insufficiency of training staff MIGHT be disconcerting as in the aviation field one requires so much of attention per student.
That I can confirm, the rest of the discussion here I can’t comment on as I can’t confirm either side of it.
The TRUTH is that GCAA will not comment on anything, rightfully so, due to professionalism in the industry & their status as the overlords of the very safe UAE airspace. That said, the GCAA has asked AAG to NOT accept further cadets till they prove that they have enough instructors. So for now let us assume that the insufficiency of training staff MIGHT be disconcerting as in the aviation field one requires so much of attention per student.
That I can confirm, the rest of the discussion here I can’t comment on as I can’t confirm either side of it.
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Total case of discrimination. Two cadets were removed from Alpha recently in their coreflying and sent back from Australia. One cadet has succeeded in exerting enough pressure on Alpha and will be sent back to Australia at no extra cost to him to start from the flight he had failed. The other cadet has been left high and dry.
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aakhan.. so tomorrow when you go try and get a job for an airline and you dont make grade and the Head of training grounds you.. will you call that discrimination..
the student is being removed from core flying for his own safety, if the AAPA instructors see him not making the grade then for his own and flight safety in general the pilot is grounded.
the student is being removed from core flying for his own safety, if the AAPA instructors see him not making the grade then for his own and flight safety in general the pilot is grounded.
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If Alpha was a professionally run aviation academy then the cadets would have been handed the contract before paying the first installment. There is no sign of contract when cadets join. It appears mysteriously appears four months after joining and cadets are forced to sign under pressure.
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Was all this reported?
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Was this ever reported to the authorities? I am referring to all the issues, but in particular the one about the contract? This SHOULD BE reported to the Consumer Protection Department of Sharjah Municipality, the Ministry of Economy and the Emirates Society for Consumer Protection. If you want results, you have to sit the exam!
Was this ever reported to the authorities? I am referring to all the issues, but in particular the one about the contract? This SHOULD BE reported to the Consumer Protection Department of Sharjah Municipality, the Ministry of Economy and the Emirates Society for Consumer Protection. If you want results, you have to sit the exam!
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Both the cadets failed and did not clear the core flying requirements no matter which stage and were recently sent back from Australia by AAPA. Discrimination stems from the fact that one cadet was able to exert enough pressure to be sent back to Australia and restart his training from the flight number he was removed. I would like to know will Alpha henceforth be giving this opportunity to all their cadets or their chosen few. Well if was a fact there was no sign of the contract when the cadets joined but it mysteriously appeared nearly five months after and the cadets were told to sign on the doted line if they wanted to remain in the prommgrame. The date mentioned was the date that each cadet had joined though it was handed four months after. Can Alpha explain if it is legal
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PLEASE READ
To new cadets
Ensure, I repeat, ensure that you make it absolutely clear to AAG that you won’t pay till you see the contract & get a copy. Plus, ENSURE that the contract has clearly mentioned everything, ground school, how it will be conducted, minimum hours, minimum requirements, exit clause, what ifs, etc…. and the same for flying phase and the line training…
To current cadets
Like I posted earlier, the authorities should be notified… do not just stick to GCAA. GCAA is regulatory body for ‘aviation’. If there are issues other than aviation, like in this case people dropping out etc or contractual issues, then you go to the right ministry as I have pointed out in my earlier post.
Ensure, I repeat, ensure that you make it absolutely clear to AAG that you won’t pay till you see the contract & get a copy. Plus, ENSURE that the contract has clearly mentioned everything, ground school, how it will be conducted, minimum hours, minimum requirements, exit clause, what ifs, etc…. and the same for flying phase and the line training…
To current cadets
Like I posted earlier, the authorities should be notified… do not just stick to GCAA. GCAA is regulatory body for ‘aviation’. If there are issues other than aviation, like in this case people dropping out etc or contractual issues, then you go to the right ministry as I have pointed out in my earlier post.
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Thanks Risk and Taras B. The word Air Arabia is not mentioned in the contract. The contract is one sided and goes in favour of Alpha where cadets have no rights and is between cadet and alpha. Thus no cadet is shown the contact at the time of joining. They tell you there is 99% success rate and make the training sound simple and lure you into the programme. I ask my prunne friends and well wishers of cadets does this contract hold any ground as though full fee of Dh440,000 payable by cadets is written but nothing is mentioned about air arabia. Remember MPL programme needs sponsor airline.
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Lawyer
Guys,
Co's : anyone of you has an info for a lawyer (familiar with aviation industry) in the UAE, do you know how much does it cost? I'm getting closer to enroll as I've been waiting for a year and really really want to start the training but still scared because of the review rite now
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Pro's : Is getting a lawyer really a better first step for a new cadet? What if AAA won't like me because of this and giving me hard times during the training? What's your best advise ..
Should I enroll now (ensure the contract+lawyer) with the risk of being rejected/unfavorable cadet for AAA or to wait longer (which I can't hardly bare) ..
Thanks!
Co's : anyone of you has an info for a lawyer (familiar with aviation industry) in the UAE, do you know how much does it cost? I'm getting closer to enroll as I've been waiting for a year and really really want to start the training but still scared because of the review rite now
.. Pro's : Is getting a lawyer really a better first step for a new cadet? What if AAA won't like me because of this and giving me hard times during the training? What's your best advise ..
Should I enroll now (ensure the contract+lawyer) with the risk of being rejected/unfavorable cadet for AAA or to wait longer (which I can't hardly bare) ..
Thanks!
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AAG has a professional team working in Sharjah, they are not kids who will "not like you".. take your parents and your lawyer with you make a list of questions signup only if you feel 100% positive..
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If you want to risk your hard earned money go ahead with Alpha. To say that it is run by a professional team would be a joke. They enforce an unseen contract on you four months after joining. When you are removed they will say you have no right because of the contract. You would be better of joining horizon flying school and doing your Cpl if you want to stay in uae.
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“Alpha AviationAcademy is a joint venture between Air Arabia and Alpha Aviation Group”
I don’t think it ever was. Although Air Arabia owns 51% of Alpha Shares, it was a contractual agreement (however no one has ever seen that contract) that Alpha would train MPL students for Air Arabia. There was, and still is no guarantee of a job at the end of training, even after giving away AED 440 000 and 14 months of your life to Alpha.
“if Air Arabia is not mentioned on, nor a signer to,AAG's MPL training contracts, that's a huge red flag”
About 2 years ago, Alpha put a full page ad in the Gulf Times for MPL training, and in the background was a photo of an Air Arabia A320. Alpha got into so much trouble for this. All subsequent ads had the same photo, but the Air Arabia sign on the fuselage, as well as the logo on the tail were ‘photo shopped’ and taken out.
I don’t think it ever was. Although Air Arabia owns 51% of Alpha Shares, it was a contractual agreement (however no one has ever seen that contract) that Alpha would train MPL students for Air Arabia. There was, and still is no guarantee of a job at the end of training, even after giving away AED 440 000 and 14 months of your life to Alpha.
“if Air Arabia is not mentioned on, nor a signer to,AAG's MPL training contracts, that's a huge red flag”
About 2 years ago, Alpha put a full page ad in the Gulf Times for MPL training, and in the background was a photo of an Air Arabia A320. Alpha got into so much trouble for this. All subsequent ads had the same photo, but the Air Arabia sign on the fuselage, as well as the logo on the tail were ‘photo shopped’ and taken out.
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14 months you say. Batch 1 - 2 yrs 10 mths approx. Batch 2 various - 2 students already over 3 years, some about 2 years - 2 yrs 6 mths and still about 1-2 mths left to completion. Time is money! The situation MAY improve for future batches but the track record suggests a total change of organisational mindset needed.