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Turkish Airlines - THY Recruitment (Merged)

Old 2nd Jun 2016, 06:08
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Furb,
Thanks a lot !
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Old 2nd Jun 2016, 19:14
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Wink

737 FO 60/75 hours 8 days off basic 4400 eur. no benefits
A330 FO pay scale same as 737/320 FOs
Many thanks to FURBPILOT , goood info,
However I think the pay info is a bit old...according to THY official announcement monthly min. gross pay for FO is increased to approx. 5500Eur.((inclusive of the avg. monthly bonus)) , plus overtime ( above 70hrs ).

I just didnt get what is meant by BENEFIT, in
no benefits
???
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Old 3rd Jun 2016, 16:09
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Don't go there as an FO, it is miserable experience, unless you like to be treated like a slave. The standards are terrible and the CRM zero.
Please go there and enjoy it, but I have warned you.

Good luck
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Old 5th Jun 2016, 12:13
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You say low standard ah? Well just heard a story from a friend who talked with another friend who is the cousin of brother of the husband of the lady cleaning the toilets in the "mudurlugu" that is how is called if a remember well. that a last week a 737 landed either too short or to long in some Anatolian airport and destroyed two tires on a closed section of the runway. This would be nothing special.. I mean within certain limits..shit happens. But the unbelievable part is that that few hours later another 737 carrying the spare tires ..did the same !!
I just wonder what the CEO is waiting to get rid of incompetent management and to overhaul the entire flight ops by putting international standard qualified peopel of locals that cannot even read or speak English.
Pride finishes where people start to risking their lives... and the trend is pointing in that direction.
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Old 7th Jun 2016, 12:25
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Dear APU_INOP
Your comment was very nice and I found it very useful because you directly point the actual and real life. I think people who come here need actual info, not what some racist guys think. I can't understand why those guys wanna send negative points to other ?
I know one of these guys that applying as DEC for 737, it seems he was rejected or failed in interview
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Old 7th Jun 2016, 15:36
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I think that the hiring may slowly grind to a halt in the next year. I had a layover there a few days ago and it was quite enjoyable doing the tourist thing for two days. Wonderful weather. But I see another bomb went off today, just a couple of minutes walk from where I was taking pictures of a university entrance.

Loads are already low(although we were full due to a big sale to try to stimulate demand) and the restaurant area in the evening where I had my enjoyable meal was not very busy.

Something to think about before leaving a job for this airline. It is impressive though to see the sea of red tails when one taxis in.

Certainly seems to be a performance-limited airport.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 06:29
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Capt143 your post is a perfect example of what I'm trying to say. The level of immaturity is stunning. Your comment on 737 DEC that failed screening and now complain here is stupid to say the least. You are the typical "cry and ****" style guy that seems so common there. Beside 737 DEC are interviewing yes.but after they resign.Face it..Turkey.. THY are not the best..and with people with your attitude will never get better.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 05:49
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Furbpilot
THY is not a good place for daddy kids or racist ones, with these attitudes it is better to avoid THY. For the numbers 90/110 hours flying time of 737 you mentioned, it is actually impossible because Turkish DGCA monitors all airline and limits pilot's to 900 hours per year. With numbers you mentioned, a pilot has to fly for 1300 hours a year which is impossible.
So try to give right info to people. Those moaning here are all applying with THY and hereby looking for more benefits for themselves and give wrong info to others. (Detail info on those guy available in Private Message if you like)
If you are right and THY is so bad, ok forget about it and go to your home favorite airline and enjoy its beautiful T&C , but if you have to pay the bills and feed the kids, stop moaning.
I say again THY is not a good option for Daddy Kids or those who are racist.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 07:10
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@Capt 143.........Turkish DGCA monitors all airline and limits pilot's to 900 per year

Please, just a confirmation because my OM-A Sect 7 says 1000 hrs.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 07:15
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@ south prince
This info I provide is base on last audit took place from AtlasGlobal ( AtlasJet) by DGCA last month.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 11:25
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DGAC limit is 1000 hours. Pilots are forced to take unpaid leave to avoid exceed such limit on narrow body fleets. Daddy's kids abound in THY as there are entire families and multiple generations being employed. Check your facts dostum.As per going back home ..no worries many did and will keep doing it unless the attitude that so very well you represent will change. As per racism..look at the mirror.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 11:32
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Haven't met or heard of a single 737 capt having to take unpaid leave in the last few years to avoid the flight limit…but hey you know better,after all you still work in THY
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 12:20
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With some good planning you can roster approx 95 hrs/month for 10.5 months and take the rest for vac- rt-sim etc....which is an amazing/exausting, but legal, amount of work on a narrow body activity that includes night flying.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 12:43
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Capt143 slavery has been abolished in the civilized world. Does not seem so in Turkey. I just remember the faces at the briefing . Tired grumpy faces with dark swollen eye sockets and all the signs of cronichal fatigue..this is how best describe the average Turkish captain. The number of hearth attacks is way higher than average and you can see why. Planning is simply criminal and even more if you consider that pax have no clue of what are the psychofisical conditions of those in charge. Fatigue has been a factor in many THT accident incidents..haven't the best "EU" airline learn anything? You save money on crew and than throw it from the window on hull losses incident , bad PR and with a training system than to define inefficient is an euphemism . Sure money is important but health is more. Most of foreign comes from countries where your status is not shown by the car you drive . We can do without that Mercedes..but we cannot do without our life do you understand?
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Old 11th Jun 2016, 15:04
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@ STEXUP
As per fatigue you are right and I am agree with you. The flying loads are relatively high in narrow body fleets. But the story has two sides, negatives and positives. If only negative points be emphasized, it is not fair. With moaning here nothing will be improved.
As an expat, you have to accept that you are a guest and some day soon or late you have to leave. In most of the countries, the locals have priority ( including countries I was flown ). So a guest can not change the culture of a country. Yes you can find lots of problems in turkey but who can solve them ? Even if you fly in Gulf carriers the same story exist. For example can you change the restricted Islamic regulations there ? Or change their culture ? The only way is to adapt with environment. If adaptation is not possible for anyone due to health,money,....etc the best way is back to home I think.

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Old 11th Jun 2016, 17:22
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@ STEXUP
As per fatigue you are right and I am agree with you. The flying loads are relatively high in narrow body fleets. But the story has two sides, negatives and positives. If only negative points be emphasized, it is not fair. With moaning here nothing will be improved.
As an expat, you have to accept that you are a guest and some day soon or late you have to leave. In most of the countries, the locals have priority ( including countries I was flown ). So a guest can not change the culture of a country. Yes you can find lots of problems in turkey but who can solve them ? Even if you fly in Gulf carriers the same story exist. For example can you change the restricted Islamic regulations there ? Or change their culture ? The only way is to adapt with environment. If adaptation is not possible for anyone due to health,money,....etc the best way is back to home I think.
Capt143...we are not guest..we are employee same as you are. Plant it in your head. The country you " were flown" don't suffer massive shortage of pilots thus they can source pilots internally. Still within Europe there is quite a mix of nationalities in airlines. Turkey is not Europe unfortunately. The Gulf carriers don't have " yabancies" just pilots, they train together, they are not segregated, and you can plan your entire career wth no silly discriminations or botched seniority lists. Regulations are clear and easy to abide and not restrictive as you may think. Actually you may have much more fun there than in Grumpistanbul, Beside everybody including locals speaks fluent English ( still the international aviation language until the rise of the next Ottoman Empire at least...) salaries are double, benefit incomparable as there are none in THY. Sure they are short as well..many are leaving THY to filing their ranks. You and only you should solve your problems..and you can change a lot ..sure not if your only goal is buying that Mercedes . There is no positive side able to compensate endangering your own health...unless you are really only looking to buy that same above mentioned Mercedes.The only way to safeguard THY future is to adapt to the international airline environment it wants to belong...may be by involving international management . Concerning leaving many followed and are still following your suggestion..worry not. Nothing really for you to be happy about since the only good things in THY will probably come thanks to expat since you seem to have no balls..just that Mercedes in your head. So careful what you wish. Let's not talk about the 42 % loss in TRY value, the security issues, the internal and international political situation, the 700 million $ loss in first quarter if compared to last year the endless serie of incident and near accidents to include hull losses ....what are we left with?? Good food on board? Get real it's my suggestion. Over and out.
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Old 11th Jun 2016, 19:28
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@furbpilot
It's better to face with real life. Turkish currency value falls about 30%. There is no accommodations for short haul fleets. There is not an excellent insurance. All are correct specially when comparing with Gulf carriers. I am not Turkish and is a foreigner like you. But for me it's really hard to face with restricted Islamic rules in Gulf area. For example right now it is Ramadan in Gulf area and drinking alcohol can lead to prison. Temperature will reach to + 50 cellcius in near future.
On the other hand THY contract is permanent but as you know the work permit is not and will be renewed yearly. Who knows next year the ministry of labor would renew work permits for expats ? As in beginning of 2014 work permit of most expats flying in other Turkish carriers (not THY) suspended without any notice in advance. Other Turkish carriers is limited to max 10% of expat crew and THY is exempted right now. Until when this exemption would be valid, nobody knows. This exemption would be suspended soon or late. So instead of moaning it is better to find an alternate. So forget about Mercedes story, it is not my business.
By the way, if I told "guest" it doesn't mean that your rights are less or etc, just because it's my imagination for myself. I am a guest too, so I do not try to change them. As far as I can adapt myself I would continue, if the conditions exceeds my thresholds, will be back home without hesitate. So far beside negative points, I found positive points too and for the time being it is ok for me. About the future, I hope to be ok but nobody knows.

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Old 11th Jun 2016, 19:38
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As an expat, you have to accept that you are a guest and some day soon or late you have to leave. In most of the countries, the locals have priority ( including countries I was flown ). So a guest can not change the culture of a country. Yes you can find lots of problems in turkey but who can solve them ? Even if you fly in Gulf carriers the same story exist. For example can you change the restricted Islamic regulations there ? Or change their culture ? The only way is to adapt with environment. If adaptation is not possible for anyone due to health,money,....etc the best way is back to home I think.
Would you please explain this basic concept to the thousand migrants coming to Europe and EXPECTING us to adapt to their culture?
Thank you.
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Old 11th Jun 2016, 19:58
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Turkey is not Europe unfortunately
Unfortunately? I'd say FORTUNATELY... Totally different culture and mindset!

Only Tony Blair thinks that the Turks are part of Europe!
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Old 11th Jun 2016, 20:25
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143!! If you cannot cope with ramadan alcohol restrictions you might have a bigger problem☺.
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