EK Rosters
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From: in the bunk
Free wings
Forget about commuting - end of story.
If you come work here, then accept the fact that this is your new home and vacations are the time that you will be heading back to where you are from, not days off or "roster management".
Your family may well get to go back more regularly but not you.
Forget about commuting - end of story.
If you come work here, then accept the fact that this is your new home and vacations are the time that you will be heading back to where you are from, not days off or "roster management".
Your family may well get to go back more regularly but not you.
Last edited by three eighty; 22nd June 2011 at 03:55.
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From: wherever my dream brings me
Thanks Contacted,
that sounds a very accurate answer. I heard some rumours, but I got facts now. So I see that going home only in annual leave, and any other days off, to be spent in Dubai. It's a bit hard for me to understand about the bidding system you guys have, because in my company the roster is non-changable , and what you have is what you will fly, and no bidding at all.
that sounds a very accurate answer. I heard some rumours, but I got facts now. So I see that going home only in annual leave, and any other days off, to be spent in Dubai. It's a bit hard for me to understand about the bidding system you guys have, because in my company the roster is non-changable , and what you have is what you will fly, and no bidding at all.
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From: Dubai - sand land.
Originally Posted by FreeWings
So I see that going home only in annual leave, and any other days off, to be spent in Dubai
That being said - it would be nice to see more blocks of 7 days off, but I think this will only happen in the future if the company moves from ADOPT to a bidline system
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From: the ridge where the west commences
Wrong.
If you leave Dubai in an acclimatized state, you remain acclimatized to Dubai even if you vacation on the other side of the planet for three weeks and return to Dubai 2 hours before your report time for SFO.
You only lose your acclimatized state if you end a duty outside the zone.
So
-be kind to yourself
-read the OM(A)
-cease perpetuating splenetic twaddle
If you leave Dubai in an acclimatized state, you remain acclimatized to Dubai even if you vacation on the other side of the planet for three weeks and return to Dubai 2 hours before your report time for SFO.
You only lose your acclimatized state if you end a duty outside the zone.
So
-be kind to yourself
-read the OM(A)
-cease perpetuating splenetic twaddle
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From: 31-43,000 feet ALL the friggin' time!
One side of Dubai or the other, please...
Not complaining, just commenting. I don't mind the flying- I love the job- but it's a hard go when you are sent to Houston one week and then KL and MEL the next. Schedules like that are asking for fatigue.
Last edited by jeff748; 23rd September 2011 at 07:12.
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From: earth
Same here.
I know I will be shot down by the usual EK sycophants, but I say it again:
We get flyers, articles on the portal from studies and so forth about the way rostering should look like to mitigate fatigue. Only to see them removed when the bs rosters constantly do otherwise.
There was an article about how to roster multiple sectors over many time zones, to avoid 24h consecutive layovers in favor of one shorter (18h) or if in multiples, to go for 36h, to enable 2 sleep cycles.
Look at that ominous KUL-MEL, or the other FE-AUS multiple sector pairings (now new on the F): All have consecutive, killing 24h layovers at impossible hours.
Where is that article now? Nothing nowhere anymore!
Same goes with the East - West sectors. There was stipulation as to minimize this, even avoid, or at least to set in enough local nights to get your inner platform to spin more or less normally again.
Where is such an article now? Where is the FRMS? Oh, right, they are "observing" and analyzing the rosters. Eternally. The findings will be placed on our graves, with the flag.
I do also love flying, love the job. But I'd love to see someone, someday to stick to the serious findings and what has been published. The constant shoving down the responsibility to the individual to mitigate fatigue, knowing he can only do it by pressing 2 and subsequently getting harassed by some jerks in the office who themselves never fly ULRs, is immoral and unsafe.
I know I will be shot down by the usual EK sycophants, but I say it again:
We get flyers, articles on the portal from studies and so forth about the way rostering should look like to mitigate fatigue. Only to see them removed when the bs rosters constantly do otherwise.
There was an article about how to roster multiple sectors over many time zones, to avoid 24h consecutive layovers in favor of one shorter (18h) or if in multiples, to go for 36h, to enable 2 sleep cycles.
Look at that ominous KUL-MEL, or the other FE-AUS multiple sector pairings (now new on the F): All have consecutive, killing 24h layovers at impossible hours.
Where is that article now? Nothing nowhere anymore!
Same goes with the East - West sectors. There was stipulation as to minimize this, even avoid, or at least to set in enough local nights to get your inner platform to spin more or less normally again.
Where is such an article now? Where is the FRMS? Oh, right, they are "observing" and analyzing the rosters. Eternally. The findings will be placed on our graves, with the flag.
I do also love flying, love the job. But I'd love to see someone, someday to stick to the serious findings and what has been published. The constant shoving down the responsibility to the individual to mitigate fatigue, knowing he can only do it by pressing 2 and subsequently getting harassed by some jerks in the office who themselves never fly ULRs, is immoral and unsafe.
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From: Califorina
Contacted
You said "If you want maximum days off (as opposed to maximum time at home),...."
Are you saying that 48 hours RON say in SFO is counted as two days off or part of your days off calculation?
I would think that max days off would equate to max time at home...
You said "If you want maximum days off (as opposed to maximum time at home),...."
Are you saying that 48 hours RON say in SFO is counted as two days off or part of your days off calculation?
I would think that max days off would equate to max time at home...
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From: Earth
Just like contacted said, the time spent at home needs to be quality time.
FWIW, my standing bid gives me a ULR at the start and the end of the month, and I do my penance with an Indian turn and (hopefully) and EU/UK layover.
This results in 87-90 block hours, 16-18 days at home, and as long as I'm sensible with rest on the ULR's, I still feel quite spritely.
FWIW, my standing bid gives me a ULR at the start and the end of the month, and I do my penance with an Indian turn and (hopefully) and EU/UK layover.
This results in 87-90 block hours, 16-18 days at home, and as long as I'm sensible with rest on the ULR's, I still feel quite spritely.
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From: In the back of a bus
I know you're just being a smartarse qrh but not all the turns are long night ones.... flatmate other day left at around 10 back by mid to late afternoon, I think she did a single GCC turn.... I know the CC are sometimes rostered doubles eg DOH/BAH, do they roster these for the flight crew as well? I'm not sure why but some are done as singles, whereas the CC will do a double. Training sectors perhaps?
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From: UK
Can you guys give me an idea of your last 3 months duty time for both Airbus (330/340) and Boeing.
I have heard that the staffing numbers have picked up a bit and wanted a more recent idea of relative duty times.
Also, any truth that only Bus slots are available for newbies until later this year?
Thanks.
I have heard that the staffing numbers have picked up a bit and wanted a more recent idea of relative duty times.
Also, any truth that only Bus slots are available for newbies until later this year?
Thanks.