Ways to ensure your EK contract is honored
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Ways to ensure your EK contract is honored
Hello my fellow pilot types I just thought I'd offer ideas to motivate EK to honor our signed legal contract. It seems many of my petrified co-workers are unable to finds ways to nudge management in the right direction without stirring a potentially punitive response. So, I thought I'd offer some tips we used at my previous company. Tactics which lead to us getting an industry leading contract and surprise surprise despite the fact we were the highest paid pilots on earth for our aircraft types to this very day my previous company is still profitable. Shocking.
Conversely we here at EK are one of the lowest paid for our A/C types neato. Well, why don't I just get right to it.
*Start APU at some interval prior to what you normally would. Every minute extra than what you would normally do obviously costs EK money.
* Here's a big one: Drop that d@mn parking brake ASAP. You have a 20 minute gate hold eh, well guess what imagine if every flight dropped that break and our flight time started ticking. Well, that means the schedule block will eventually have to be changed and maybe we can fend of those 3 pilot ULRs or maybe we won't be scheduled for so many trips to begin with. System wide minutes turn into hours. Sure we won't get paid for the extra but it does chip away at our annual flight time.
*Speaking of flight time what about that taxi speed. Are you truly taxing at a safe speed. Are you really doing 10 knots of Z? Do you need to whip around those corners at 11 or 12 knots. How about 5. Here's another thing you will use lots more fuel taxing around a corner at 5 knots. An added bonus.
*Level change what level change? Spend some extra time at an in efficient level especially if it's nice and smooth. I can hear the whiners now complaining about running out of fuel and going to the alternate. Well, suck it up smokey and take one for the team. Can you even imagine how expensive a diversion is? Uhmmm Yummy.
*Forget that continuous descent business that's for people who are compensated properly.
*You know that data link ACARS business. Well, airlines buy the access in chunks of data. So, what if we all became excessively obsessed with en-route weather? Think about it every time you here "Bing" and out prints some CAVOK you have scored another small victory for your signed peace of trash called a contract.
*Ride them brakes cowboy. They cost a fortune.
Okay, thats just a couple of suggestions please add more my brothers as they come to you. Keeping in mind they should be virtually undetectable. And to the patriots, slaves and scabs I say this: pi$$ off. I was lured here under false pretenses. My "contract" has not be honored. I am sick of being treated like a child by the company when I have acted honorably and faithfully for far to long. I don't leave because I'm locked in for now and I'm not running anywhere especially because I know change can come from with in especially if we all sound off like we have a pair.
Happy flying! Fly "Safe"
Conversely we here at EK are one of the lowest paid for our A/C types neato. Well, why don't I just get right to it.
*Start APU at some interval prior to what you normally would. Every minute extra than what you would normally do obviously costs EK money.
* Here's a big one: Drop that d@mn parking brake ASAP. You have a 20 minute gate hold eh, well guess what imagine if every flight dropped that break and our flight time started ticking. Well, that means the schedule block will eventually have to be changed and maybe we can fend of those 3 pilot ULRs or maybe we won't be scheduled for so many trips to begin with. System wide minutes turn into hours. Sure we won't get paid for the extra but it does chip away at our annual flight time.
*Speaking of flight time what about that taxi speed. Are you truly taxing at a safe speed. Are you really doing 10 knots of Z? Do you need to whip around those corners at 11 or 12 knots. How about 5. Here's another thing you will use lots more fuel taxing around a corner at 5 knots. An added bonus.
*Level change what level change? Spend some extra time at an in efficient level especially if it's nice and smooth. I can hear the whiners now complaining about running out of fuel and going to the alternate. Well, suck it up smokey and take one for the team. Can you even imagine how expensive a diversion is? Uhmmm Yummy.
*Forget that continuous descent business that's for people who are compensated properly.
*You know that data link ACARS business. Well, airlines buy the access in chunks of data. So, what if we all became excessively obsessed with en-route weather? Think about it every time you here "Bing" and out prints some CAVOK you have scored another small victory for your signed peace of trash called a contract.
*Ride them brakes cowboy. They cost a fortune.
Okay, thats just a couple of suggestions please add more my brothers as they come to you. Keeping in mind they should be virtually undetectable. And to the patriots, slaves and scabs I say this: pi$$ off. I was lured here under false pretenses. My "contract" has not be honored. I am sick of being treated like a child by the company when I have acted honorably and faithfully for far to long. I don't leave because I'm locked in for now and I'm not running anywhere especially because I know change can come from with in especially if we all sound off like we have a pair.
Happy flying! Fly "Safe"
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Wow you smell like Mesa trash. Stinky. Frustrated... me no. Frustration would imply I had something to do with the situation and was somehow unable or unsuccessful at correcting the course. However, as I have guided my life to this point successfully and in very few years by comparison to my collegues with out the aid of birth right, money or connections can assure you I will continue soldering on ever pressing in the right direction as I see it. Un-frustrated and content.
Un-professional!?
What world do you live in? Is it the one where Presidents cheat on their wives and marry models or the one where PM's take bribes and sell out there constituents perhaps it's the one who's doctors take payoffs from every drug company with a golf club membership to offer. Or perhaps its the world where the rules only apply to expats or is it the one who's government doesn't believe free trade between the 3rd world and 1st will ever benefit it's people. Any way you look at it chief there is only one way forward in this place: get yours and get out. If you'd like to refer to me a jaded, that's a different story. 
Un-professional!?
What world do you live in? Is it the one where Presidents cheat on their wives and marry models or the one where PM's take bribes and sell out there constituents perhaps it's the one who's doctors take payoffs from every drug company with a golf club membership to offer. Or perhaps its the world where the rules only apply to expats or is it the one who's government doesn't believe free trade between the 3rd world and 1st will ever benefit it's people. Any way you look at it chief there is only one way forward in this place: get yours and get out. If you'd like to refer to me a jaded, that's a different story.
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Well, after reading those two posts, i'm sure there are many on here calling you lots of things but I doubt Trinity is one of them.
Your opening post tells me this thread is going nowhere fast, especially with your immature 'advice' to fellow colleagues of riding the brakes! So sad that your professionalism as a pilot has to be compromised by the frustration you feel with our mostly incompetent management.
Please Mod, bin this before it becomes a slagging match.
Well, after reading those two posts, i'm sure there are many on here calling you lots of things but I doubt Trinity is one of them.
Your opening post tells me this thread is going nowhere fast, especially with your immature 'advice' to fellow colleagues of riding the brakes! So sad that your professionalism as a pilot has to be compromised by the frustration you feel with our mostly incompetent management.
Please Mod, bin this before it becomes a slagging match.
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When flying in Africa never accept a 'direct to' unless you hear the majic words 'radar' contact. Insist on being safe, fly the airways.
Slow taxi is a really good one. Don't anticipate a incline by applying power early to maintain speed, wait till the groundspeed drops to 3kts then use thrust as required to re-achieve desired taxi speed.
Don't accept any 'cleared for immediate takeoff' departures. Not the safest again.
Slow taxi is a really good one. Don't anticipate a incline by applying power early to maintain speed, wait till the groundspeed drops to 3kts then use thrust as required to re-achieve desired taxi speed.
Don't accept any 'cleared for immediate takeoff' departures. Not the safest again.
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Why don't you just leave?
I agree with BYMONEK. These suggestions are immature and can be seen as a criminal act (Industrial sabotage??).
Here is my question: What stops you from applying to another airline and simply leaving Emirates without any notice? They are not honouring your contract so once you are out of Dubai what can they do to you?
There are plenty of airlines looking for pilots with your qualifications. The pay may not be as good but hopefully some of you have learnt your lesson and realised that lifestyle is more important than high pay. I know some had other reasons for going to Emirates such as security and fast upgrades, but in the end you don't even have that anymore so why hang around?
Here is my question: What stops you from applying to another airline and simply leaving Emirates without any notice? They are not honouring your contract so once you are out of Dubai what can they do to you?
There are plenty of airlines looking for pilots with your qualifications. The pay may not be as good but hopefully some of you have learnt your lesson and realised that lifestyle is more important than high pay. I know some had other reasons for going to Emirates such as security and fast upgrades, but in the end you don't even have that anymore so why hang around?
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Agree 100% with BYMONEK is it any wonder the managment hold us in such low esteem when you see some of the postings on here. Trinity I see you are a first officer and a previous RJ captain, it seems to me the command upgrade criteria is spot on to keep people like you out of the LHS
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Was a first officer and was an RJ captain was also on the 757 flew the C172, 182 and 210 as well but I can't really see what that's got to do with any of it. If you want to play the experience game I've got all day and as it is mentioned in other posts upgrading to captain here was nothing more than an ass kissing experience which was nothing like any place I've worked before.
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An A330 Dude/Dudette lands off an unstable approach and is given final warning.
Yet on another thread they are bribing guys to stay.
He could have just said, "Yeah? Well here is your final warning; l'm outta here unless you pay me 50% more and shove your final warning!"
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Yet on another thread they are bribing guys to stay.
He could have just said, "Yeah? Well here is your final warning; l'm outta here unless you pay me 50% more and shove your final warning!"
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Well Trinity on the 19th of June 2009 you were complaining that it will take you 7 years to upgrade as you were a barbie jet pilot so I don't see how you can possibly have completed the arse licking upgrade as you put it. Its easy to make posts like yours when you would bear no responsibility for the action you carry just don't try it if you fly with me
emratty,
Show some respect please, he was the highest paid in world RJ pilot. He gave up command and a higher pay to come here as an FO. So he has never tried to pretend he is smart.
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I guess the excitement of free meals on board has worn off.
If your tired dial 2. If you don't want to extend a duty period, explain that to your captain and see what he thinks. And don't worry too much about the CDA, it will come with practice.
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Standby for yet another revival of that FO is not allowed to taxi FCI.
Show some respect please, he was the highest paid in world RJ pilot. He gave up command and a higher pay to come here as an FO. So he has never tried to pretend he is smart.
TCMT
I guess the excitement of free meals on board has worn off.
If your tired dial 2. If you don't want to extend a duty period, explain that to your captain and see what he thinks. And don't worry too much about the CDA, it will come with practice.
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Standby for yet another revival of that FO is not allowed to taxi FCI.
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Nice one. Now just to implement your cunning plan. Two ways to do this;
1) Tell the Captain your dasterdly idea and hope he's one of you and just sits back and lets you get on with it. Danger with this is the patriots, slaves and scabs amongst us might tell you to stop being a jerk and grow up. Worse still, the brand new asslicking Captains without any backbone may just report you behind your back.
2) Don't tell your colleague your stupendous brainfart and just ride the brakes, dive and drive, divert, stay at FL290, waste the paper and any other daft idea your pea size brain can muster. This too has its downside. With this plan, your 'buddy' in the left seat will just think you're a useless fool and overide your pathetic decisions. Do this on a few flights and you'll quickly realise this airline ain't as big as you think it is!
So, the way I see it, your plan is seriously flawed.
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Nice one. Now just to implement your cunning plan. Two ways to do this;
1) Tell the Captain your dasterdly idea and hope he's one of you and just sits back and lets you get on with it. Danger with this is the patriots, slaves and scabs amongst us might tell you to stop being a jerk and grow up. Worse still, the brand new asslicking Captains without any backbone may just report you behind your back.
2) Don't tell your colleague your stupendous brainfart and just ride the brakes, dive and drive, divert, stay at FL290, waste the paper and any other daft idea your pea size brain can muster. This too has its downside. With this plan, your 'buddy' in the left seat will just think you're a useless fool and overide your pathetic decisions. Do this on a few flights and you'll quickly realise this airline ain't as big as you think it is!
So, the way I see it, your plan is seriously flawed.
Harry
Don. Love the CDA bit.....................priceless!!!!!!
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Are you for real?
So, out of Africa it's okay but not in Africa, right?
Let's all slow down to 3kts then shove on heaps of power. That should clear the dust behind us.......and maybe a few other things too!
And the best, 'never accept a 'cleared immediate takeoff' because it's not safe? Please could you enlighten us with that last pearl of wisdom. Second thoughts, don't bother. I'll ask my gardener.
I guess school finished early today, eh!
Are you for real?
So, out of Africa it's okay but not in Africa, right?
Let's all slow down to 3kts then shove on heaps of power. That should clear the dust behind us.......and maybe a few other things too!
And the best, 'never accept a 'cleared immediate takeoff' because it's not safe? Please could you enlighten us with that last pearl of wisdom. Second thoughts, don't bother. I'll ask my gardener.
I guess school finished early today, eh!
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I may not agree at all to what Trin. has suggested, BUT at least he has manned up and made suggestions. Don't believed he slagged anyone's home country there bin liner. He has seen what has worked in the past. That said, I am assumning bin liner, that we have NO, ZERO recourse, we should all just smile, bend over a little more, as Kevin Bacon said in "Animal House", "thank you sir, may I have another".
So besides saying, take it or leave, what suggestions do you have? Write ASRs.....looks like that was taken care of nicely with the 380 CRC, fatigue issues...."just the wind this time of year".
We have all read Mensa's postings and others. Agree with most of what has been said, but other than warning others to stay away, do you have ANY suggestions? Easy to do a slap down on someone trying to be a bit proactive. Again, not agreeing with Trinity but where are your suggestions. Then again, bin liner, maybe you enjoy the BOHICA aspect of life here. Maybe you enjoy being looked at as a high price construction worker with a better uniform and a better mode of transportation to and from work. Oh yes, just press "2". That will really get their attention.
Seriously, bin liner, what have you done to preserve your contract contents or recover what has been lost over the last 18 months? Doesn't matter where Trinity has come from or what his background is, he came here with a signed contract, expectations from recruiting and historical data, FOM sections saying that a 28 day month will begin productivity pay at 70 hours, all utilities paid, longevity pay..........been said before. All from an airline that hasn't lost one cent, dh, euro, or whatever.
So besides saying, take it or leave, what suggestions do you have? Write ASRs.....looks like that was taken care of nicely with the 380 CRC, fatigue issues...."just the wind this time of year".
We have all read Mensa's postings and others. Agree with most of what has been said, but other than warning others to stay away, do you have ANY suggestions? Easy to do a slap down on someone trying to be a bit proactive. Again, not agreeing with Trinity but where are your suggestions. Then again, bin liner, maybe you enjoy the BOHICA aspect of life here. Maybe you enjoy being looked at as a high price construction worker with a better uniform and a better mode of transportation to and from work. Oh yes, just press "2". That will really get their attention.
Seriously, bin liner, what have you done to preserve your contract contents or recover what has been lost over the last 18 months? Doesn't matter where Trinity has come from or what his background is, he came here with a signed contract, expectations from recruiting and historical data, FOM sections saying that a 28 day month will begin productivity pay at 70 hours, all utilities paid, longevity pay..........been said before. All from an airline that hasn't lost one cent, dh, euro, or whatever.
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If I was Emirates I'd be scanning cv's to find out which of my Pilots came with RJ and 757 experience. None of your suggestions will make any difference to what's happening I can assure you. These things go round in cycles don't forget, yes flights will be cancelled and yes pilots will leave to grasses greener (which probably won't be so green) and you'll be replaced by others wanting to fly big jets.
It's not worth it, only you suffer
If I was Emirates I'd be scanning cv's to find out which of my Pilots came with RJ and 757 experience. None of your suggestions will make any difference to what's happening I can assure you. These things go round in cycles don't forget, yes flights will be cancelled and yes pilots will leave to grasses greener (which probably won't be so green) and you'll be replaced by others wanting to fly big jets.
It's not worth it, only you suffer
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ManaAdaSystem, why don't you just shut up, nobody wants to read your stuff, nobody agrees with you, nobody likes you. Actually, I guess you're just a "troll" anyway. 
I agree with IXNAT. Guys, don't do anything stupid, after all we are still pilots, and have to do our work properly - or else we are not professionals. Once he thinks again about it, probably Trinity will also agree.
Having said that, it is of course anybody's right to fight for what is legally theirs. It's easy to keep on posting the same "don't join"-stuff, but how about doing some brainstorming to come up with constructive suggestions?
I agree with IXNAT. Guys, don't do anything stupid, after all we are still pilots, and have to do our work properly - or else we are not professionals. Once he thinks again about it, probably Trinity will also agree.
Having said that, it is of course anybody's right to fight for what is legally theirs. It's easy to keep on posting the same "don't join"-stuff, but how about doing some brainstorming to come up with constructive suggestions?
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The only thing any company understands is money. If you cost them money you will get noticed. Back in the real world we could have a legal strike to do this but over here we are left with guerilla tactics. It is either that or bend over and take it, which by the way is what we have been doing for years now.
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Illegal? Industrial Action? give us a break! Compared to what EK has done to each and every one of its employees, this type of action on the part of individuals is miniscule.
Under normal circumstances... performing engine-out taxi when warranted, saving the brakes, flying the best altitudes and showing up for work 'fit' to fly, are things that every professional pilot strives for. Unfortunately, these are not normal circumstances.
It seems once a thread is immediately jumped on by the management guys assigned to discredit certain posts, then some of us kiss-ass wannabees follow suit. Just imagine how they are laughing each morning in the Golden Palace, at how we jump all over each other at the mere mention of 'possibly' taking some action.
MY goodness, its not like we don't want EK to succeed, we just want to be treated with respect and perhaps....... oh dare I say it..... some honesty and respect towards our T&C's.
We are led by a hoard of manipulative, self-serving, sycophants, yet we still can't even agree that 'perhaps' we should consider banding together to present a common front. I have NO heartache with individuals who disagree with the suggestions made, in fact, I personally don't believe it would make one difference whatsoever. But to slag a guy personally for offering suggestions (whether or not you agree with those suggestions), and then even suggesting it's illegal or somehow immoral in this environment, is downright stupid of us as pilots.
We are THE most disjointed, self-serving group of professionals on the planet. We probably deserve what we get.
THE ONLY THING which will alter attitudes at Emirates Airline, is parking aircraft or a serious accident that cannot somehow be attributed solely to an error by the pilots.
Under normal circumstances... performing engine-out taxi when warranted, saving the brakes, flying the best altitudes and showing up for work 'fit' to fly, are things that every professional pilot strives for. Unfortunately, these are not normal circumstances.
It seems once a thread is immediately jumped on by the management guys assigned to discredit certain posts, then some of us kiss-ass wannabees follow suit. Just imagine how they are laughing each morning in the Golden Palace, at how we jump all over each other at the mere mention of 'possibly' taking some action.
MY goodness, its not like we don't want EK to succeed, we just want to be treated with respect and perhaps....... oh dare I say it..... some honesty and respect towards our T&C's.
We are led by a hoard of manipulative, self-serving, sycophants, yet we still can't even agree that 'perhaps' we should consider banding together to present a common front. I have NO heartache with individuals who disagree with the suggestions made, in fact, I personally don't believe it would make one difference whatsoever. But to slag a guy personally for offering suggestions (whether or not you agree with those suggestions), and then even suggesting it's illegal or somehow immoral in this environment, is downright stupid of us as pilots.
We are THE most disjointed, self-serving group of professionals on the planet. We probably deserve what we get.
THE ONLY THING which will alter attitudes at Emirates Airline, is parking aircraft or a serious accident that cannot somehow be attributed solely to an error by the pilots.
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A piece of advice
How many pilots outside the UK know about PPRUNE ?
Would it not be better to write to the various Pilot Unions and ask them to provide the web address in their Union magazine?
This way EK will only get those guys that are really motivated and loyal.
Would it not be better to write to the various Pilot Unions and ask them to provide the web address in their Union magazine?
This way EK will only get those guys that are really motivated and loyal.