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So, emirates will start the road shows and start recruitment in October. Anyone who looks at the contract (and I use the term loosley) and knows the situation here and STILL says, yeah that sounds good I want to work at EK is insane. The management needs to look inside and figure out why their current workforce is fleeing instead of ruining the lives of innocent canidates that may be duped into coming here.
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I think most knew that courses were running, 8 on each. Should continue as well on the bus not sure about the 777.777 getting most of the new cadets .30 + upgrades on the bus only a couple on the 777, preparing for the next group of 380's. Still no word on the 333's or the 744/748 but all still on the table.
Things can change overnight as I was just on a flt with a recruiting guy and said no plans for any roadshows as the number of files are up.
Things can change overnight as I was just on a flt with a recruiting guy and said no plans for any roadshows as the number of files are up.
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Be warned
Don't wast your time. Many guys who "passed" the interview in March - June last year are still on the hold file, OR suddenly after waiting all this time found they are no longer qualified, those that are still qualified have been told to re apply & this time pay for their own ticket. The EK job is not what it was. Many, many years to wait for a command and a very hard roster compared to a couple of years back.
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Something to read before joining any ME airline
Beware each and everyone of your rights will sooner or later be violated!!!
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Preamble
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,
Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, therefore,
The General Assembly,
Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
Article 1
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Preamble
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,
Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, therefore,
The General Assembly,
Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
Article 1
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11
- Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
- No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13
- Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.
- Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
- Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
- This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
- Everyone has the right to a nationality.
- No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
- Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
- Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
- The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
- Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
- No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20
- Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
- No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
- Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
- Everyone has the right to equal access to public service in his country.
- The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23
- Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
- Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
- Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
- Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25
- Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
- Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
- Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
- Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
- Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
- Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
- Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29
- Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
- In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
- These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
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I'm not convincing anyone to do anything other than consider their decision carefully. Even if EK decide to hire DEC's, I certainly hope that anyone considering a position as a DEC would take into account the 76% FAILURE RATE on the Boeing before deciding to shove off from their current employer. This is a fact. I won't quote names for obvious reasons, but it comes from the horse's mouth, as they say.
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Article 23
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Note paragraph 4, rather ironic eh?!
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Note paragraph 4, rather ironic eh?!
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If anyone decides to come to EK, just understand you will work harder than you can imagine, experience fatigue of a new level, and make just enough money to pay your bills if you have a family. FO's with kids here live paycheck to paycheck. The few days off you have will not be spent enjoying your family, but recovering. But that's ok becasue you won't have any money to leave your villa or travel anyway.
The old days of come to EK for 7-10 years, save up some money, have some fun as an expat and return home are long gone. If you want to make enough money to leave here in any reasonable condition your looking at 15-18 years or it's just not worth it unless you are independently wealthy or have a military pension, etc.
The old days of come to EK for 7-10 years, save up some money, have some fun as an expat and return home are long gone. If you want to make enough money to leave here in any reasonable condition your looking at 15-18 years or it's just not worth it unless you are independently wealthy or have a military pension, etc.
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cody v, your post is a load of verbal cobblers. I make more than enough to save some and have worked much harder in past companies. Stop putting spin on the story just to sound like you are hard done by. If its that bad why do you stay? Oh yeah thats right your own country has no jobs , no human rights, the unions have neglected to protect your pensions and it's 15yrs to a wide body command. A little balance please and less drama.
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Just heard from pretty reliable scource that EK have got so slaphappy with firing people that an FO has just been booted for having his photo taken with 2 hosties in front of an engine somewhere . Apparently some wonderful passenger took a photo of scene and sent it to the Firing Squad - WTF ? Certainly some previously happy company men are now being shocked on a regular basis by all these goings on.
if somebody could please explain to me the real reason for this behaviour?
Is there ANY recruitment going on ?
if somebody could please explain to me the real reason for this behaviour?
Is there ANY recruitment going on ?
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Seems like you've got your facts a bit backwards. First off, you have far more rights as an employee in America than most countries in this part of the world. Secondly, the reason why unions have no power and pilots have no pension is because the US airline industry has produced heavy financial losses for years on end now. If EK posts massive loses for years on end I will GLADLY take a pay cut and contract changes to protect my job and the jobs of those below me. I've done it in the past. I have a problem when the company makes 1/2 billion USD and then tears up the contract and works us like dogs.
Like I said, as a captain I have a descent lifestyle, nothing glamorous by any stretch. But as an FO after a bit over 3 years I saved exactly 0 dirhams prior to upgrade. A friend of mine who is currently a 3 year FO and is single has loads of cash in the bank, but another neighbor of mine who is a 2 year FO has 4 kids under the age of twelve is now in the red ink after the sudden contract change.
Sorry, but "if you don't like it leave" is not an option for this guy because now he is in debt and would be thrown in jail if he tried. I have not been done wrong by any company in my career, just the normal ups and downs, nor am I bitter. My point is that anyone looking to join EK needs to VERY carefully consider their own individual needs and not drink the kool-aid the recruiters love to serve up or beleive that this is the same EK from 5 years ago.
If you still decide EK is for you and after arriving they stick you in some awefull temporary accomodation for 8 months, then give you a villa under the flight path of the departing 2 am Antonov's, please don't come to work and complain. This is what EK can and does do and you must know that coming here. But, yeah, I guess I'm just being negative, sorry.
Like I said, as a captain I have a descent lifestyle, nothing glamorous by any stretch. But as an FO after a bit over 3 years I saved exactly 0 dirhams prior to upgrade. A friend of mine who is currently a 3 year FO and is single has loads of cash in the bank, but another neighbor of mine who is a 2 year FO has 4 kids under the age of twelve is now in the red ink after the sudden contract change.
Sorry, but "if you don't like it leave" is not an option for this guy because now he is in debt and would be thrown in jail if he tried. I have not been done wrong by any company in my career, just the normal ups and downs, nor am I bitter. My point is that anyone looking to join EK needs to VERY carefully consider their own individual needs and not drink the kool-aid the recruiters love to serve up or beleive that this is the same EK from 5 years ago.
If you still decide EK is for you and after arriving they stick you in some awefull temporary accomodation for 8 months, then give you a villa under the flight path of the departing 2 am Antonov's, please don't come to work and complain. This is what EK can and does do and you must know that coming here. But, yeah, I guess I'm just being negative, sorry.
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Cody V, I have to take issue with your 76% number on DEC failures. That is just not the case. You data is not accurate and while I'm on the subject, the insinuation that DECs are treated badly by FOs is also bunk. I flew with the most professional FOs you can imagine (with one exception and this guy was just mad at the world..) and every trip but one was a sincere pleasure.
Now, as one of the recently departed, I would strongly recommend serious conisderation of the "facts" before coming to EK. Integrity is non existent in the culture despite the advertising to the opposite. You will be held to a different set of standards than management is held tol
It was my personal opinion that management hoped the pilot force was just stupid enough to believe their spin on everything from cost cutting to rostering to accident investigation. Fortunately, this was not the case and the pilots are able to see through the ruse.
If you are unemployed, then EK is probably a good option. If you have a job with any satisfaction, then a move to the sand should be seriously reconsidered. Having lived through the changes of the last 15 months, it is just not a job I can recommend at this time.
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Now, as one of the recently departed, I would strongly recommend serious conisderation of the "facts" before coming to EK. Integrity is non existent in the culture despite the advertising to the opposite. You will be held to a different set of standards than management is held tol
It was my personal opinion that management hoped the pilot force was just stupid enough to believe their spin on everything from cost cutting to rostering to accident investigation. Fortunately, this was not the case and the pilots are able to see through the ruse.
If you are unemployed, then EK is probably a good option. If you have a job with any satisfaction, then a move to the sand should be seriously reconsidered. Having lived through the changes of the last 15 months, it is just not a job I can recommend at this time.
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Thanks for the post TCAS, right on the money. Didn't mean anything with regards to treatment of DEC's by FO's, something I wrote probably just came off the wrong way as I agree with your statement.
My thread was intended for guys to write opinions about working for EK so that those interested in coming here have as much information as possible to make such a big decision. (Even bigger if you have a family that you'll be dragging along!) EK has been great for me, but I came along at a much, MUCH different time. In the last 2 years I have seen an alarming number of guys who are miserable here and it is sad.
It really doesn't matter if people here agree with me or not, and numbers are arguable, but hopefully potential canidates will get something out of the thread and it won't turn into a pissing contest amongst EK pilots.
Once again, I feel joining EK now would be a risky proposition at best. (of course as TCAS pointed out, depending on your situation) Just be prepared for things to get worse from the time you interview until when you join. Until the management recognizes the need for a bit of perspective in that we have a very proffesional bunch of guys here and to treat us as such, it would be difficult for me to get excited for new guys joining. Too many pilots leaving at the moment for me to be confident change for the better is coming soon.
My thread was intended for guys to write opinions about working for EK so that those interested in coming here have as much information as possible to make such a big decision. (Even bigger if you have a family that you'll be dragging along!) EK has been great for me, but I came along at a much, MUCH different time. In the last 2 years I have seen an alarming number of guys who are miserable here and it is sad.
It really doesn't matter if people here agree with me or not, and numbers are arguable, but hopefully potential canidates will get something out of the thread and it won't turn into a pissing contest amongst EK pilots.
Once again, I feel joining EK now would be a risky proposition at best. (of course as TCAS pointed out, depending on your situation) Just be prepared for things to get worse from the time you interview until when you join. Until the management recognizes the need for a bit of perspective in that we have a very proffesional bunch of guys here and to treat us as such, it would be difficult for me to get excited for new guys joining. Too many pilots leaving at the moment for me to be confident change for the better is coming soon.
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Well primeco you said it. If you don't like it leave. Unfortunatley there are too many good people leaving EK, because the people at the top have their heads up their a$$.
Not all jobs are equal and a love of flying won't pay the bills or satisfy the needs of other people in your life that depend on you. I love aviation, even after all these years, but I have been very carefull where I have choosen to work at this stage in my career.
Just don't want to see people jump into EK because "it's a job" and find out it's not at all what they bargained for. Too many other companies around the world hiring at the moment.
Not all jobs are equal and a love of flying won't pay the bills or satisfy the needs of other people in your life that depend on you. I love aviation, even after all these years, but I have been very carefull where I have choosen to work at this stage in my career.
Just don't want to see people jump into EK because "it's a job" and find out it's not at all what they bargained for. Too many other companies around the world hiring at the moment.