Emirates Utilities Cap
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Speak up!
So is anyone going to say something at these Management Briefings we are rostered for??
I see we are told to expect to see different cars picking us up.... that will be next....Taxi to work!
I see we are told to expect to see different cars picking us up.... that will be next....Taxi to work!
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Been off the board for awhile. Wow this little deal has hit a nerve or is it just the straw and the camel. As Sandune 1 has started to list, would someone like to in a readable list form, list and number all of the T & Cs that have changed for the worse? From annexing flights and ADs to this POS policy. Might make for some interesting reading. Please include operational deals too, like loss of paper manuals or whatever you think might be a downgrade. I cannot even begin to amass such a list. Go back just one year from the last bonus to now. Let's have some fun and just get really pissed off.
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Donkey, its very easy, no one ever bids for those destinations at EK so you would have no competition. A bit of competition for Glasgow though....
As for the utilities, HR are responsible for the management of contracts, start by bombarding them with complaints and questions.
As for the utilities, HR are responsible for the management of contracts, start by bombarding them with complaints and questions.
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I just took my own meter reading so I can make sure that I'm not being completely screwed at the end of the year! Take a photo then you have proof next year when you get someone else's bill.
The memo apparently applies to all EK staff in villas, yet i have asked a doctor and it does not apply to them. Also does not apply to VP's in the same villas, so I guess they are not EK staff. Presumably local pilots in company villas will also be exempt as they have the local discounts.
I was under the impression that due to the fact our landlords were local, EK only paid the discounted rate ie 75% discount on the utilities. Can this be confirmed by anyone?
I guess the delay in getting our bills is due to recalculating what we would have paid.
I'm sure that EK have now told DEWA that there are now expats living in these villas so the charges will be increased to the expat level, and we will be charged above what EK are paying. Instead of them getting the local bill, recalculating, and then charging us for something they never paid!!
Might be completely wrong!!!
who knows in this wonderful land
The memo apparently applies to all EK staff in villas, yet i have asked a doctor and it does not apply to them. Also does not apply to VP's in the same villas, so I guess they are not EK staff. Presumably local pilots in company villas will also be exempt as they have the local discounts.
I was under the impression that due to the fact our landlords were local, EK only paid the discounted rate ie 75% discount on the utilities. Can this be confirmed by anyone?
I guess the delay in getting our bills is due to recalculating what we would have paid.
I'm sure that EK have now told DEWA that there are now expats living in these villas so the charges will be increased to the expat level, and we will be charged above what EK are paying. Instead of them getting the local bill, recalculating, and then charging us for something they never paid!!
Might be completely wrong!!!
who knows in this wonderful land
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Our meter box is out the front of the villa. On the front is a 9 digit number. Call DEWA 04 601 9999, quote the number and ask them to email/fax you the last 12mths statement. Had mine within 10mins of speaking to someone.
Rant time...
1. As stated before, using the 'average' consumption as a limit just proves how intellectually challenged HR are.
Their budgeting means they pocket from the low end users. Oh, and they profit from the high end users as well! What a surprise
Maybe they are not so dumb after all....
2. Assisting employees with refitting their accommodation with solar hot water heaters, ceiling fans, more energy efficient AC units, double glazing, insulation, etc, etc, would go a long way to portray a good corporate image as eco-warriors that EK now profess to be...NOT!!!!
3. DEWA. Emirates, Dubai Municipality etc, are all one and the same (Or one and the same family
).
What is with all the bullsh!t about the environment, when these qunts can't even spell it.
Prophet however is much easier to spell, but harder to sell.
4. Each crew can easily add what ever it costs in extra DEWA, bills per month, to each and every flight they operate.
Are management really that stupid to think that they can pinch a few dirhams off us each month and it won't cost them?
Each time you come to a point of decision that hinges on a frame of mind, almost all will err on the side of safety (otherwise known as, fuk 'em) which is exactly as TCAS and the talking horse are advocating at the moment.
Rant over.
halas
Their budgeting means they pocket from the low end users. Oh, and they profit from the high end users as well! What a surprise
Maybe they are not so dumb after all....
2. Assisting employees with refitting their accommodation with solar hot water heaters, ceiling fans, more energy efficient AC units, double glazing, insulation, etc, etc, would go a long way to portray a good corporate image as eco-warriors that EK now profess to be...NOT!!!!
3. DEWA. Emirates, Dubai Municipality etc, are all one and the same (Or one and the same family
).What is with all the bullsh!t about the environment, when these qunts can't even spell it.
Prophet however is much easier to spell, but harder to sell.
4. Each crew can easily add what ever it costs in extra DEWA, bills per month, to each and every flight they operate.
Are management really that stupid to think that they can pinch a few dirhams off us each month and it won't cost them?
Each time you come to a point of decision that hinges on a frame of mind, almost all will err on the side of safety (otherwise known as, fuk 'em) which is exactly as TCAS and the talking horse are advocating at the moment.
Rant over.
halas
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And, if my bill comes in under the average am I going to leave the door open or lights on or water the garden even more? YES.
You can just imagine the bean counters that came up with idea. All they are concerned with is looking important and keeping their job.
You can just imagine the bean counters that came up with idea. All they are concerned with is looking important and keeping their job.
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Emirates, you are screwing yourself!!!
Recently flew with a fairly longtime captain here (9+yrs) and the guy had a little "star" on his jacket. He was so pissed off and upset (even more than me) - if you can believe that. He was saying that Emirates has changed so much over the last 10 years that he no longer recognises it.
The airline is a shell of its former self and that a long time ago, the pilots & managment had a pretty good "working relationship". Points were discussed, reccomendations were put forth by both sides, feedback was requested on policies (B4 they were implemented!), input was asked for, etc.. It was a two way street, and guys were comfortable with the process. It has gotten so bad now, and deteriorated so terribly that he "welcomed a union"!!! Or at least some sort of "pilot body" that could at least meet with Mngmnt to discuss things, etc.. so that at least "the pilots" perspective was known and our interests looked out for. They (managment) have such a great resource and wealth of information in US!
But they dont use it !! All they do these days is try to see how un-happy they can make us, and how they can screw us more. He was really not a happy camper at all.
So, we operated our flight on a Work to rule basis!!!
No short cuts, No discression, No savings, ---- period !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is so sad that it has come to this.
I am really considering my options now, because almost every "incentive"
that made the move out here to Dubai worth while, -- is gone - or going.
It's really sad for me to feel this way, especially as new here to EK as I am. I never thought I would feel this way so soon. You are supposed to feel happy & excited joining a new carrier, - the opportunity!, the advancement!, the Future! But it has been sucked out of me by this managment so quickly, that I am still in shock.
I wonder if the Sheik knows what is going on ?
I wonder how one goes about getting an "audience" with him ?
Anyone know ?
On another note, a friend is going to get some "legal advice" from a local attorney about this whole blatent changing of our contract with the DEWA bill excess being paid by the employee now.
I will post the findings when I get it.
Sad in my sanddune
Recently flew with a fairly longtime captain here (9+yrs) and the guy had a little "star" on his jacket. He was so pissed off and upset (even more than me) - if you can believe that. He was saying that Emirates has changed so much over the last 10 years that he no longer recognises it.
The airline is a shell of its former self and that a long time ago, the pilots & managment had a pretty good "working relationship". Points were discussed, reccomendations were put forth by both sides, feedback was requested on policies (B4 they were implemented!), input was asked for, etc.. It was a two way street, and guys were comfortable with the process. It has gotten so bad now, and deteriorated so terribly that he "welcomed a union"!!! Or at least some sort of "pilot body" that could at least meet with Mngmnt to discuss things, etc.. so that at least "the pilots" perspective was known and our interests looked out for. They (managment) have such a great resource and wealth of information in US!
But they dont use it !! All they do these days is try to see how un-happy they can make us, and how they can screw us more. He was really not a happy camper at all.
So, we operated our flight on a Work to rule basis!!!
No short cuts, No discression, No savings, ---- period !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is so sad that it has come to this.
I am really considering my options now, because almost every "incentive"
that made the move out here to Dubai worth while, -- is gone - or going.
It's really sad for me to feel this way, especially as new here to EK as I am. I never thought I would feel this way so soon. You are supposed to feel happy & excited joining a new carrier, - the opportunity!, the advancement!, the Future! But it has been sucked out of me by this managment so quickly, that I am still in shock.
I wonder if the Sheik knows what is going on ?
I wonder how one goes about getting an "audience" with him ?
Anyone know ?
On another note, a friend is going to get some "legal advice" from a local attorney about this whole blatent changing of our contract with the DEWA bill excess being paid by the employee now.
I will post the findings when I get it.
Sad in my sanddune
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Those saying they're considering "their options" must understand that they are playing into the beancounters' "cunning plan", (thank you Baldrick), because from their point of view, your leaving will be an advantage to their bottom line. You and I know it's totally stupid, but in their minds, it's good economics.
If you're an FO, they'll replace you with a new one on a slightly lesser salary who'll have to be in the RHS that much longer before he/she has the time in company to be eligible for upgrade, so the next necessary upgrades will go to DECs. If you're a captain, they'll replace you with a DEC who'll come in at the captain's base year one salary, so they save all those (this year, nonexistent) annual increments.
You and I know it's stupid, but they know a monkey can be trained to fly these planes we fly. Anyone can do it. Just ask them; they'll tell you.
If you're an FO, they'll replace you with a new one on a slightly lesser salary who'll have to be in the RHS that much longer before he/she has the time in company to be eligible for upgrade, so the next necessary upgrades will go to DECs. If you're a captain, they'll replace you with a DEC who'll come in at the captain's base year one salary, so they save all those (this year, nonexistent) annual increments.
You and I know it's stupid, but they know a monkey can be trained to fly these planes we fly. Anyone can do it. Just ask them; they'll tell you.
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emirates goes green and pigs will fly
Just checked my consumption which is running at 11900kw/hr per month, or 3390dhs. (rusty pliers required to bust the meter box open-be sure to lock it again)
Water running at 3gal/hr with nothing using water, ie thats just jinglie construction leakage and faulty float valves in the tanks.
I figure the bill will be about 4500dhs per month, so I can expect to make the company a bonus payment of 24k each year. Make no mistake this is a money making scheme designed to screw more money out of (formally) loyal employees.
Living in one room most of the time with average appliances running, which are all insignificant anyway as its the ACs which consume the bulk of the power.
These places are constructed by locals on the basis of free utilities so no consideration is given to costs associated with insulation or more efficient appliances and cooling systems. Cant recall having seen any solar hot water systems around here. We will now pay for it.
I ask again who does this apply to, already someone mentioned doctors, VPs ext. Don't believe what the horse writes he is as uninformed as the rest of us.
Might consider sending the family back to cilivization, and spend my hard earned wages, and education allowance there rather than here.
All this talk of unions, go slows, work to rule, bar humbug... it won't happen.
The options are take it, or pack your bongos and lute and Foxtrot Oscar.
Water running at 3gal/hr with nothing using water, ie thats just jinglie construction leakage and faulty float valves in the tanks.
I figure the bill will be about 4500dhs per month, so I can expect to make the company a bonus payment of 24k each year. Make no mistake this is a money making scheme designed to screw more money out of (formally) loyal employees.
Living in one room most of the time with average appliances running, which are all insignificant anyway as its the ACs which consume the bulk of the power.
These places are constructed by locals on the basis of free utilities so no consideration is given to costs associated with insulation or more efficient appliances and cooling systems. Cant recall having seen any solar hot water systems around here. We will now pay for it.
I ask again who does this apply to, already someone mentioned doctors, VPs ext. Don't believe what the horse writes he is as uninformed as the rest of us.
Might consider sending the family back to cilivization, and spend my hard earned wages, and education allowance there rather than here.
All this talk of unions, go slows, work to rule, bar humbug... it won't happen.
The options are take it, or pack your bongos and lute and Foxtrot Oscar.
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a345xxx, I think you missed the first phrase of 777's last paragraph "you and I know it's stupid" and his tongue firmly in his cheek. I think you'll find that there are people in management who actually believe what 777 said.
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I smell a rat!
The amount of 21800 AED is probably the average if EK paid the expat rate. Since its a local that owns the villa, the amount charged EK is much less.
Someone has been creative with a calculator...
Smoke and mirrors again.
The amount of 21800 AED is probably the average if EK paid the expat rate. Since its a local that owns the villa, the amount charged EK is much less.
Someone has been creative with a calculator...
Smoke and mirrors again.
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Habibis, fill TCAS and the horses e-mail boxes with polite e-mails stating your opinions.
They apparently don't read Pprune, so its the only way they can understand our complete frustration
Don't whinge on here if you haven't written in.
Work to rule, is perfect IMO.
SyB
They apparently don't read Pprune, so its the only way they can understand our complete frustration
Don't whinge on here if you haven't written in.Work to rule, is perfect IMO.
SyB
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This is just the tip of the iceberg, hold on and brace yourselves, the only thing we can do as expats is "smile and wave" and OIC. Bend over and take it like a man or leave. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Live in DSO family of four. Just checked with DEWA last years bill. 28000dhs total elec/water. Would not have thought anything but average users but still 7000 above the ''so called average??'' Does anyone else have figures to publish?
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Live in DSO with wife , 1 child and one maid. average sized garden and our bill is 41000 you can just imagine my shock at that one. We are now living in accomodation with no AC and no lights on in the evening.
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We cannot and must not accept this. I am personally out of accommodation but what is next? For those in company accommodation write write write. The Mel. incident had over 320 000 views. Keep this issue alive here until this policy is rescinded. When management make such decisions there is a calculated time of malcontent to deal with, but eventually it all blows away and voila the policy sticks. Lets prove them wrong this time. Remember this is HR's baby not flight ops. So get writing....