Emirates Utilities Cap
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From: OZ
And just remember that VP's and above in the relative departments share as an incentive bonus, 5% of demonstated cost savings. With this new initiative and the overtime scam, that would add up to be quite considerable I would suspect.... Share the pain...?
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From: In the sandy.
Empire,
Add to that always using the shortest available runway intersection departure for the laptop.
Makes the chances of screwing up on taxi and losing your job as a consequence virtually Emirates (fool) proof.
Extra fuel/EGT - like I care!
Add to that always using the shortest available runway intersection departure for the laptop.
Makes the chances of screwing up on taxi and losing your job as a consequence virtually Emirates (fool) proof.
Extra fuel/EGT - like I care!
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From: Home
Time to stand up.
Enough is enough.
It's now getting to the point where it really doesn't matter where we are geographically in the world, and how much power we don't have when it comes to standing up for ourselves and for the contracts we signed.
Emirates simply cannot function, and exist without it's pilot body. It can be as simple as every pilot calling in sick for 1 flight in an agreed month, and everyone else remaining uncontactable unless of course on reserve.
I don't know if the above example is the right answer, but the way I see it we have just 3 choices. 1. Just bend over a bit further and continue to take it, but have no right to complain. 2. Quit, just walk away and remove ourselves and our families from the harsh, continued downhill slide in the dust. or 3. Fight Back, They cannot operate the airline without us. They have taken too much from us.
I am interested to hear how many guys are going to opt for 1, 2, or 3, and welcome suggestions for us as a united group to move forward.
I think we have to seriously consider options now that is going to make Emirates sit up and take some notice, and give very serious thought to the severe contract adjustments they have inflicted in a very short space of time. This is what they have done whist the company is making very, very healthy profit.
Cheers.
It's now getting to the point where it really doesn't matter where we are geographically in the world, and how much power we don't have when it comes to standing up for ourselves and for the contracts we signed.
Emirates simply cannot function, and exist without it's pilot body. It can be as simple as every pilot calling in sick for 1 flight in an agreed month, and everyone else remaining uncontactable unless of course on reserve.
I don't know if the above example is the right answer, but the way I see it we have just 3 choices. 1. Just bend over a bit further and continue to take it, but have no right to complain. 2. Quit, just walk away and remove ourselves and our families from the harsh, continued downhill slide in the dust. or 3. Fight Back, They cannot operate the airline without us. They have taken too much from us.
I am interested to hear how many guys are going to opt for 1, 2, or 3, and welcome suggestions for us as a united group to move forward.
I think we have to seriously consider options now that is going to make Emirates sit up and take some notice, and give very serious thought to the severe contract adjustments they have inflicted in a very short space of time. This is what they have done whist the company is making very, very healthy profit.
Cheers.
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From: dubai
I only have one source for the following information, so it might not be completely accurate.
In a meeting today at HQ, The Talking Horse was at a loss to explain the new policy in spite of the fact he signed off on the memo sent to all pilots. (seriously, if you were this guys boss, you could make him do ANYTHING! The man has no soul. Anyhow, there were some interesting discussions regarding certain aspects of this new policy.
One- Now wait for it.......... this policy only affects PILOTS in company VILLAS!
Two- Non-pilots are not aware of this policy because no one else has been notified. The entire policy discussion came as a big surprise to those present.
Three- it was mentioned that such a policy is in direct contradiction to our contracts. The response..... don't worry they won't do anything about it.
Four- Those employees above our pay grade are also not affected.
Five- Someone who actually had seen the FAQ's on the Portal, questioned who had asked those questions, since apparently no one knew about the policy beforehand. The response...... Emirates employees were surveyed and management was generous to respond to the queries.
I tell ya! Bad management in good times is barely acceptable, but in bad times, these clowns ruin people's lives and thankfully they sow the seeds of their own demise. The proverbial !!!!e has now hit the fan. I would like to be the first to wave bye-bye to Ed and TCAS. I wish AAR could be relegated to a different job, but that is not likely.
You got to be a nutcase to want to join EK, things will never return to normalcy here.
In a meeting today at HQ, The Talking Horse was at a loss to explain the new policy in spite of the fact he signed off on the memo sent to all pilots. (seriously, if you were this guys boss, you could make him do ANYTHING! The man has no soul. Anyhow, there were some interesting discussions regarding certain aspects of this new policy.
One- Now wait for it.......... this policy only affects PILOTS in company VILLAS!
Two- Non-pilots are not aware of this policy because no one else has been notified. The entire policy discussion came as a big surprise to those present.
Three- it was mentioned that such a policy is in direct contradiction to our contracts. The response..... don't worry they won't do anything about it.
Four- Those employees above our pay grade are also not affected.
Five- Someone who actually had seen the FAQ's on the Portal, questioned who had asked those questions, since apparently no one knew about the policy beforehand. The response...... Emirates employees were surveyed and management was generous to respond to the queries.
I tell ya! Bad management in good times is barely acceptable, but in bad times, these clowns ruin people's lives and thankfully they sow the seeds of their own demise. The proverbial !!!!e has now hit the fan. I would like to be the first to wave bye-bye to Ed and TCAS. I wish AAR could be relegated to a different job, but that is not likely.
You got to be a nutcase to want to join EK, things will never return to normalcy here.
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From: Auckland, New Zealand
In the Captains Lecture I attended, one brave soul asked that as we were "sharing the pain" during this recession, to help the company through a bad time, could the management confirm that the conditions would return to normal when the recession ended. The answer was no! 
Sharing the pain, bollocks. These are straight grab at conditions of employment. They obviously see us as a group of limp di*ks who'll never stand up against anything.
One person is driving this and it ain't TCAS or the talking horse!
Sharing the pain, bollocks. These are straight grab at conditions of employment. They obviously see us as a group of limp di*ks who'll never stand up against anything.
One person is driving this and it ain't TCAS or the talking horse!
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From: in a sand dune
LR 3, Great Question !
And let me see if I can answer that for you simply. I joined in the second half of last year, - right as Emirates was; I guess, coming out of the pilot shortage. So, the guys that I knew here told me that, yes...Emirates has its little share of problems as a carrier, but no worse than anywhere else. They were all still "reeling" from the 14 weeks bonus you all recieved,..and so things were still basically good. Good job security, good overtime after 78 hrs, good housing (till I got here!) Good chance to upgrade on a widebody - since Emirates has all these wonderful planes on order!!!! I had heard about EK doing "some" less than desireable things, -- but not the kind of blatant disregard, and complete & utter disrespectful stance, of not honoring anything that's in our contract with them.
This is ludicrous!!! What Emirates doesn't realise is that, when word of all these "breaches of contract" reaches pilots in all parts of the world who are "looking" - they will not get the quality or number of qualified pilots they need to come. Airlines have to remember that economic times are "cyclical" But people "remember"!!!
This is ludicrous!!! What Emirates doesn't realise is that, when word of all these "breaches of contract" reaches pilots in all parts of the world who are "looking" - they will not get the quality or number of qualified pilots they need to come. Airlines have to remember that economic times are "cyclical" But people "remember"!!!
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From: UAE
This is the first time to my knowledge that they've violated the 'black and white' of the contract. All the other stuff was in the Employee Handbook etc. I remember going to a pilot meeting some time back, chaired by our esteemed EVP, and he said that whilst they my amend the employee regs from time to time (this was when we stopped getting credit for vacation , sim etc), they would NEVER violate the black and white of our contract. This violation is a clear legal breech of contract. It doesn't affect me directly as I live out, but I'm just as angry as everyone else.
If we let it stand the precedent will be established. What I suggest every affected person do as a first step is: email the Horse, quoting the relevant paragraph of our contract, and ask him on what legal basis has the company decided to violate the letter of our contract. Then, if that doesn't work, I suggest legal action or possibly the Ministry of Labour be contacted. Call me naive but I really don't think we can be persecuted for defending our legal right. Even in the sandpit. But this must be done as individuals lest we be accused of trying to form the dreaded "U".
Just my two fils worth.
If we let it stand the precedent will be established. What I suggest every affected person do as a first step is: email the Horse, quoting the relevant paragraph of our contract, and ask him on what legal basis has the company decided to violate the letter of our contract. Then, if that doesn't work, I suggest legal action or possibly the Ministry of Labour be contacted. Call me naive but I really don't think we can be persecuted for defending our legal right. Even in the sandpit. But this must be done as individuals lest we be accused of trying to form the dreaded "U".
Just my two fils worth.
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From: Dubai
Lets not forget this will be the usual incremental shafting, the 'target' dhs allocation will not change, or if it does, it will do so very little. Over the years the percentage to pay will increase, as the actual DEWA charges escalate 
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From: Dubai
A piece of paper
A lot of you know who I am, I had done 17 years with EK, and honored my side of the contract to the best of my ability (otherwise your fired!) Now I have left they have changed the: Long Service Concessions, so that it is now virtually useless to us. A big financial kick in the backside.
Even though I have a contract with their signature and mine on it, it is no longer worth the paper it is written on.
Good luck to you all, trying to fight a change of contract from within, I don’t stand a chance!
P.S.Retirment is GREAT, regards and best wishes to all of you.
Even though I have a contract with their signature and mine on it, it is no longer worth the paper it is written on.
Good luck to you all, trying to fight a change of contract from within, I don’t stand a chance!
P.S.Retirment is GREAT, regards and best wishes to all of you.
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Chichester, UK
Solution to the problem is very simple......don't do anything aviation related until your published report time! That'll make them stop and think. I am always in the cockpit by my so say 'report time' - have never really figured how this is legal......
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From: Dubai
Paper
Hi Wiley
Our daughter (19) in Uni in Australia was hoping to go to Europe on a Uni project. As part of “my” contract she is entitled to a free J/F ticket. Now she has to “buy” a Y ticket or wait until I am 60 to travel. So she will only be eligible for one year of tickets instead of 4. (23 year old limit now) You can imagine what she calls EK! I didn’t know she knew those sorts of words! I am very sad, as this was one of the things we were looking forward to. My wife and I will probable never use our concessions, but now our kids can’t either.
Our daughter (19) in Uni in Australia was hoping to go to Europe on a Uni project. As part of “my” contract she is entitled to a free J/F ticket. Now she has to “buy” a Y ticket or wait until I am 60 to travel. So she will only be eligible for one year of tickets instead of 4. (23 year old limit now) You can imagine what she calls EK! I didn’t know she knew those sorts of words! I am very sad, as this was one of the things we were looking forward to. My wife and I will probable never use our concessions, but now our kids can’t either.
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From: SSE of smoki
Hi,
the memo is to "All UAE based staff in company provided villas". It does not affect the guys/girls in apartments.
It then makes reference to the electricity and water consumption in company provided villas.
Pretty clear to me, will be very interested to see my monthly/annual DEWA bill when it becomes available online.
The frequently asked questions part is pretty funny, as mentioned above, when and to whom where the questions directed.
the memo is to "All UAE based staff in company provided villas". It does not affect the guys/girls in apartments.
It then makes reference to the electricity and water consumption in company provided villas.
Pretty clear to me, will be very interested to see my monthly/annual DEWA bill when it becomes available online.
The frequently asked questions part is pretty funny, as mentioned above, when and to whom where the questions directed.
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From: i don't know
I miss the whining of all those without kids, in appartments that will not be affected by this new rule. Whining that they are again on a different package than those with brats in villas!!!
(maybe the silence is because it works to their benefit this time)
I couldn't miss that one for sure, sorry ... but I am just as p!$$ed off than all the others.
Well, now it's all over with any goodwill. Any fuel saved will go into their dish-dashs, no matter how much profit they'll admit, so it's a no brainer with the actual fear orgie:
Everything to my safety benefit and nothing more than what goes directly into my pocket.
Bravo TC and AAR, you made me starting to act like a union jerk. This is to prove that you can achieve this from both ends .....
(maybe the silence is because it works to their benefit this time)
I couldn't miss that one for sure, sorry ... but I am just as p!$$ed off than all the others.
Well, now it's all over with any goodwill. Any fuel saved will go into their dish-dashs, no matter how much profit they'll admit, so it's a no brainer with the actual fear orgie:
Everything to my safety benefit and nothing more than what goes directly into my pocket.
Bravo TC and AAR, you made me starting to act like a union jerk. This is to prove that you can achieve this from both ends .....
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From: Anywhere there are cats to chase.
Roger Dat GMDS.
Too bad for dat but awl da knee-jerking is now starting to rock da boat.
Habout time, eh?
But don' worry. Flight dek morale is at a all time high. Hits a fackt!
Dis stuff wit dat water an' power is jus a "red 'erring" to get us to stop tawlking habout da odder stuff like MAN, MEL, etc...
Keep spending, while you still can...
Keep drinking da purple kool-aid.
Keep bend-overing.
Der's an elephant in the room...
T
Too bad for dat but awl da knee-jerking is now starting to rock da boat.
Habout time, eh?
But don' worry. Flight dek morale is at a all time high. Hits a fackt!
Dis stuff wit dat water an' power is jus a "red 'erring" to get us to stop tawlking habout da odder stuff like MAN, MEL, etc...
Keep spending, while you still can...
Keep drinking da purple kool-aid.
Keep bend-overing.
Der's an elephant in the room...
T
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From: uk
This utilities cap is a breech of contract, but that has been covered by other posters.
The cap itself has been very badly thought out simply coming up with an "average" figure immediatley damns at least half of those in their ASSIGNED villas to coughing up extra.
No consideration or mention as been made of villas with say insulation, the newer ones may have it but the older ones do not, or the efficiency of the A/C units fitted by the landlord/developer.
A one price fits all simply does not work, legal issues not withstanding.
As already stated the final straw.
Question: how do you fly over 100+ shiny jets when all your drivers airframe have gone to pastures new or just said bollocks to this and taken up the "Good Life" at home?
What a cake and @rse party
The cap itself has been very badly thought out simply coming up with an "average" figure immediatley damns at least half of those in their ASSIGNED villas to coughing up extra.
No consideration or mention as been made of villas with say insulation, the newer ones may have it but the older ones do not, or the efficiency of the A/C units fitted by the landlord/developer.
A one price fits all simply does not work, legal issues not withstanding.
As already stated the final straw.
Question: how do you fly over 100+ shiny jets when all your drivers airframe have gone to pastures new or just said bollocks to this and taken up the "Good Life" at home?
What a cake and @rse party
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From: Suspension city
Just got my DEWA bill.
Calculated Feb 08 till Feb 09...
Water 11095.3
Elec 14875.7
Total 25971
1 young child and a new baby and no extra's in garden.
Sounds pretty average to me, but apparently not.
Well done EK you out did yourself this time
Calculated Feb 08 till Feb 09...
Water 11095.3
Elec 14875.7
Total 25971
1 young child and a new baby and no extra's in garden.
Sounds pretty average to me, but apparently not.
Well done EK you out did yourself this time
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From: Dubai
Got our DEWA bill for last 12months. Calculated April 2008-March 2009. Family of four, no live-in maid, no added balcony/patio rooms, no pool, larger than average garden (EK issued villa, not exactly our doing!) and our bill is 26,935DH for the year. So much for the average.