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My 2 cents: I guess EK is trying to p
ss us off as much as possible so that as many guys as possible are leaving. Saving face, eyh? After they fired a bunch of guys for ridiculous reasons, everybody is very careful nowadays, so no opportunity to fire people. Hence, why not make life as difficult and shtty as possible to make people leave? Makes perfect sense, doesn´t it? Otherwise I cannot explain why after so many years in EK and with the same (standing) bid every month I got NIL, NOTHING, ZILCH of my bids 
But before I leave, rest assured that EK will pay a price for that...
ss us off as much as possible so that as many guys as possible are leaving. Saving face, eyh? After they fired a bunch of guys for ridiculous reasons, everybody is very careful nowadays, so no opportunity to fire people. Hence, why not make life as difficult and shtty as possible to make people leave? Makes perfect sense, doesn´t it? Otherwise I cannot explain why after so many years in EK and with the same (standing) bid every month I got NIL, NOTHING, ZILCH of my bids But before I leave, rest assured that EK will pay a price for that...
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Just to comfirm the stories folks I have been told by the rosterers themselves
of this 'roster disruption' by the singular management person.
He will personally come and look at the rosters before publication and enforce the change/insertions.
Ek pilot mentioned about how the company can change the parameters of the adopt programme.
How transparent and obvious would this be?, in particular to the bid assist guys.
I have NOT changed my bidding technique since we started with adopt 6 years ago and never had any problems(especially in top bid months).
With the latest woes I have been informed(as many others have) by the crs bods that there were no insertions an that was how the computor spat it out.
HMMM.. all of a sudden the days off that I would ALWAYS get before are no longer there(top bid) and it hasn't been tampered with?(and Im more senior)
Go Figure......
of this 'roster disruption' by the singular management person.
He will personally come and look at the rosters before publication and enforce the change/insertions.
Ek pilot mentioned about how the company can change the parameters of the adopt programme.
How transparent and obvious would this be?, in particular to the bid assist guys.
I have NOT changed my bidding technique since we started with adopt 6 years ago and never had any problems(especially in top bid months).
With the latest woes I have been informed(as many others have) by the crs bods that there were no insertions an that was how the computor spat it out.
HMMM.. all of a sudden the days off that I would ALWAYS get before are no longer there(top bid) and it hasn't been tampered with?(and Im more senior)
Go Figure......
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Who is the manager (singular) who is the root of the problem? Answer: 'A' and then insert the four letter name of a popular US computer company that specialiases in mail order computers.
Trying to see the logic behind the current personnel policies leads to only one conclusion: current EK management have resurrected a bright idea that was first brought up by another (I think now long gone) star in EK management, (actually an accountant who shared his surname with the WW2 British fascist leader, known universally at the time within the company as 'Miserly bin Beancounter') quite some years ago now, when he suggested at a meeting of very-senior-people that the company should introduce policies that discouraged pilots from staying with the company long term.
Why? Because, in his infinite accountant's wisdom, he could show that it was cheaper to run an airline with the majority of the captains being new to the left hand seat, because those new captains, with far fewer 3% annual increments going into their pay packets than longer serving captains, filled the same seat and completed the same flights more cheaply than their more senior colleagues.
If this is even halfway true, the company seems to be having it both ways, because they didn't pay the 3% increment this year (not for the first time) and they're bringing in experienced captains from outside at first year captain rates of pay.
If this is true, it's a rather stark reminder to pilots just how little regard these people have for any skills we might think we may develop over the years we spend in the left hand seat. With TCAS' insistance that automatics be used to the fullest extent at all times on the line, it would seem they think they don't require experienced people in the left seat.
In their eyes, anyone can do the job so long as he/she follows the many directives from above to the letter, that they seem to think can be written to cover every situation.
Trying to see the logic behind the current personnel policies leads to only one conclusion: current EK management have resurrected a bright idea that was first brought up by another (I think now long gone) star in EK management, (actually an accountant who shared his surname with the WW2 British fascist leader, known universally at the time within the company as 'Miserly bin Beancounter') quite some years ago now, when he suggested at a meeting of very-senior-people that the company should introduce policies that discouraged pilots from staying with the company long term.
Why? Because, in his infinite accountant's wisdom, he could show that it was cheaper to run an airline with the majority of the captains being new to the left hand seat, because those new captains, with far fewer 3% annual increments going into their pay packets than longer serving captains, filled the same seat and completed the same flights more cheaply than their more senior colleagues.
If this is even halfway true, the company seems to be having it both ways, because they didn't pay the 3% increment this year (not for the first time) and they're bringing in experienced captains from outside at first year captain rates of pay.
If this is true, it's a rather stark reminder to pilots just how little regard these people have for any skills we might think we may develop over the years we spend in the left hand seat. With TCAS' insistance that automatics be used to the fullest extent at all times on the line, it would seem they think they don't require experienced people in the left seat.
In their eyes, anyone can do the job so long as he/she follows the many directives from above to the letter, that they seem to think can be written to cover every situation.
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Is it possible that the rosters have gone down hill because the flying target has increased from 700hrs 10 years ago to 850 ish now?
No let's run with the conspiracy theories. It is the radiation beyond the Van Allen belt interfering with the Adopt program......
No let's run with the conspiracy theories. It is the radiation beyond the Van Allen belt interfering with the Adopt program......
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Reverse Psychology
I have a cunning plan: for next month, I'm going to bid to avoid everything i desire and vicky verca. The opposite worked the last two months, so you never know.
Nothing to lose.
Nothing to lose.
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I don't know what they are trying to prove but I have had 2 illegal rosters in 2 months, both inserted flights! To their credit they took it away without the toys being thrown out of the cot. I just expect more from a supposedly professional outfit!
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I've often thought that if pilots at EK performed their jobs to the same standards as are tolerated in virtually all other departments (MANAGEMENT, crew transport, accommodation, rostering, etc etc etc) there would be big smoking craters all over the planet on a regular basis. (Notwithstanding my belief that we are getting closer all the time to such an event...)
I realize part of the reason pilots are pilots is because they relish the responsibility but seriously sometimes the hypocrisy and double (triple? quadruple?) standards become a little tiresome...
I realize part of the reason pilots are pilots is because they relish the responsibility but seriously sometimes the hypocrisy and double (triple? quadruple?) standards become a little tiresome...
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The private forum http://www.pprune.org/emirates-66/
shows you how to subscribe along with other helpful
tips, phone numbers, etc.
Thanks Positiverate, but it didn't work; I can't get in.
shows you how to subscribe along with other helpful
tips, phone numbers, etc.
Thanks Positiverate, but it didn't work; I can't get in.
ONLY Emirates staff have access to that link, once I have verified their Bona Fide employment @ EK. I throw away all data once verified.
Its a quiet forum, but myself and others have put some links of use as a sticky at the top. Some who are Paranoid that I am a management spy don't join up, thats your choice I guess.
EGGW
Its a quiet forum, but myself and others have put some links of use as a sticky at the top. Some who are Paranoid that I am a management spy don't join up, thats your choice I guess.
EGGW
