Net Jets Middle East - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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How come so many people proved to be "unfit" for duty after they had been employed??
I don't see BA, UA or any other outfit of repute sacking people left right and centre, through incompetency, can you?
Something very wrong somewhere there at NJME.
I don't see BA, UA or any other outfit of repute sacking people left right and centre, through incompetency, can you?
Something very wrong somewhere there at NJME.
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I think Joe that you have a point. They have in the past been unlike the major airlines who normally give you two attempts to qualify and then you are out. NJME has allowed dead wood to collect for some while and there have been guys languishing in the right seat that should never have been there. I suspect that the bar has now been raised and those guys are now becoming very conspicuous in their incompetence or slackness.
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I agree with Habbibe, and although I don't personally agree with all the terminations, there clearly was a case where a few people had "stretched" their experience further than it actually was. These so called professionals left no doubt that they were not up to the required standards, so they got canned.
Again, I stress that this was not the case for all of them, and guess what, there are still some "papermate" logbooks there, but they, like the rest will make their name a$$ and will see the same door.
PS. Batsky shows how much you actually know, half of them are from New Zealand, which is like saying all Canadians are Americans, and we know how much you all hate that!!!
Again, I stress that this was not the case for all of them, and guess what, there are still some "papermate" logbooks there, but they, like the rest will make their name a$$ and will see the same door.
PS. Batsky shows how much you actually know, half of them are from New Zealand, which is like saying all Canadians are Americans, and we know how much you all hate that!!!
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Batsky-RT.. still employed in the Middle East? Lucky you that CF hasn't seen this thread then isn't it?
As for the Aussie and US friction - there's none of it. Its a total lie engendered by the very very FEW useless and inept American pilots in the company. Like spoilt kids, their last resort is playing the "race" card. With that mindset, it begins to explain why they can never improve and are always struggling.
Iver : As for your nark comment - the creeps and those clearly unfit to sit in a cockpit need outing - its the only way this profession will progress - I am surprised that you have a problem with this. Now is the time to prune and to strive for quality in this industry. The decent guys, the silent majority, deserve this. The least we can do for the next generation of pilots is to keep the bar high and to strive for higher standards. Otherwise the grubs win and this profession becomes devalued. Ask yourself which side would you rather be on?
Joe Hunt - The great influx of deadbeats were hired into NJME at a time of a global pilot shortage and so very little cross checking occurred. Fake log books, a gift of the gab and a glossy smile and in you came as G4 pilot with allegedly heaps of experience in India. Once in, we were faced with the task of trying to rehabilitate and train these grubs because its a very time consuming and difficult process to organize new interviews, not mention getting new Iqamas. It takes about 6 months to hire someone. In times of a pilot shortage, being Middle East based means its very difficult to attract the same quality candidate as the BA's and UA's of this world this is why we have these problems in NJME. I trust this explains why things are as they are and why your comparison is unfair.
And of course, it WAS certainly true, our recruiting process was flawed by the desperation of management to get bums into seats at a time of explosive expansion. Which is why the likes of Batsky and his mates managed to con themselves a job - only to be found out after their first line flight. This is not the case anymore. The recruiting process is more stringent now.
Like any large organization, NJME has its faults and I'm not here to defend them. But operationally, as an organization, it does strive to operate to the highest standards anywhere in the world. It works to the rule of law, the GOM and to SOPS and it rewards a safe mindset. The crews who remain at NJME can hold their heads high - for the most part they are good, competent and safe operators who constantly work hard to keep up a high standard of operation,.
As always, if anyone is interested, email me, I'm happy to provide ALL answers to any questions. I am more than happy to back up all that I have written.
As for the Aussie and US friction - there's none of it. Its a total lie engendered by the very very FEW useless and inept American pilots in the company. Like spoilt kids, their last resort is playing the "race" card. With that mindset, it begins to explain why they can never improve and are always struggling.
Iver : As for your nark comment - the creeps and those clearly unfit to sit in a cockpit need outing - its the only way this profession will progress - I am surprised that you have a problem with this. Now is the time to prune and to strive for quality in this industry. The decent guys, the silent majority, deserve this. The least we can do for the next generation of pilots is to keep the bar high and to strive for higher standards. Otherwise the grubs win and this profession becomes devalued. Ask yourself which side would you rather be on?
Joe Hunt - The great influx of deadbeats were hired into NJME at a time of a global pilot shortage and so very little cross checking occurred. Fake log books, a gift of the gab and a glossy smile and in you came as G4 pilot with allegedly heaps of experience in India. Once in, we were faced with the task of trying to rehabilitate and train these grubs because its a very time consuming and difficult process to organize new interviews, not mention getting new Iqamas. It takes about 6 months to hire someone. In times of a pilot shortage, being Middle East based means its very difficult to attract the same quality candidate as the BA's and UA's of this world this is why we have these problems in NJME. I trust this explains why things are as they are and why your comparison is unfair.
And of course, it WAS certainly true, our recruiting process was flawed by the desperation of management to get bums into seats at a time of explosive expansion. Which is why the likes of Batsky and his mates managed to con themselves a job - only to be found out after their first line flight. This is not the case anymore. The recruiting process is more stringent now.
Like any large organization, NJME has its faults and I'm not here to defend them. But operationally, as an organization, it does strive to operate to the highest standards anywhere in the world. It works to the rule of law, the GOM and to SOPS and it rewards a safe mindset. The crews who remain at NJME can hold their heads high - for the most part they are good, competent and safe operators who constantly work hard to keep up a high standard of operation,.
As always, if anyone is interested, email me, I'm happy to provide ALL answers to any questions. I am more than happy to back up all that I have written.
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Hey NF
CF has seen the thread. Very funny stuff. KS is the best- having his endorsement is as valuable as your aimless, unfounded criticism. Its all about credibility.
Fly safe
CF has seen the thread. Very funny stuff. KS is the best- having his endorsement is as valuable as your aimless, unfounded criticism. Its all about credibility.
Fly safe
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Priceless Moments
Hey Unpaid, Agree with you totally, but the clean-up didnt extend to number 1 idiot Romeo Mike and his "habibee" friend in the office ( in a high position).
Speaking of which, that comment extends to the other stars and stripe citizens, like the head of the FC, Mr Delta Papa and of course "Lets build a matrix" and "My email is broken" and of course the latest hysteria " BEEP TRAINING" Mr Romeo Foxtrot!
Do these guys all hold obscene photographs of each other in various poses with farm animals or something?
Priceless moments quote,
Sending out countless emails on how to evacuate a building which has one exit, and having lots of "fun" with your co-workers whilst doing it.
And dont forget " its such a fantastic course"
May the clean up continue,
To all the other flight crew members still existing minus the exceptions above, i agree. top notch operators
Speaking of which, that comment extends to the other stars and stripe citizens, like the head of the FC, Mr Delta Papa and of course "Lets build a matrix" and "My email is broken" and of course the latest hysteria " BEEP TRAINING" Mr Romeo Foxtrot!
Do these guys all hold obscene photographs of each other in various poses with farm animals or something?
Priceless moments quote,
Sending out countless emails on how to evacuate a building which has one exit, and having lots of "fun" with your co-workers whilst doing it.
And dont forget " its such a fantastic course"
May the clean up continue,
To all the other flight crew members still existing minus the exceptions above, i agree. top notch operators
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Got two mates flying for them, one is worried about getting laid off, the other one is just finishing training on a larger corporate jet. Go figure.
As far as your dream job, sounds like your first trip to the ME, would be interesting to talk to you in a year after the exposure, kind of like radiation, you do not feel anything at first.
As far as your dream job, sounds like your first trip to the ME, would be interesting to talk to you in a year after the exposure, kind of like radiation, you do not feel anything at first.
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Sorry guys enough of the bull. All of us have left home either because we lost our jobs or were fed up with working for crappy companies and wages. The key to surviving anywhere is to remember why you came and to milk it for as long as you can stand it. One day the well will run dry here and hopefully by then we would have filled our pockets and will be able to enjoy life in retirement....At home. Until then keep on milking!
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Don't mean to be ignorant here but I'm just joining the conversation. We're getting ready to get clobbered at NJA (lots of furloughs) and we just got an email saying NJME will be starting some hiring soon.
1. Do you guys have any numbers?
2. Is there any chance of a guy with a 500 type getting hired?
3. Does anybody know anything about the future fleet plan?
Thanks. PM's are great.
1. Do you guys have any numbers?
2. Is there any chance of a guy with a 500 type getting hired?
3. Does anybody know anything about the future fleet plan?
Thanks. PM's are great.
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Wondering the same thing...I wonder how many e-mails the CP is going to have come Monday morning!!
Wonder how many of our guys would think about it? I've got a family but would still do it. Some probably would not.
Not only are we getting furloughed, now we get to compete with each other for probably only a few spots at NJME!!
Wonder how many of our guys would think about it? I've got a family but would still do it. Some probably would not.
Not only are we getting furloughed, now we get to compete with each other for probably only a few spots at NJME!!
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I spoke to a friend at NJME last night and he said they held interviews last week. Minimum jet time among the applicants was around 3000 hrs according to him. Tough competition out there .
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Here's one for you all at NJME. The rumour has it that Unpaid In Jeddah is coming back, he left three days after his recurrent, funny timing - just in time for his recurrent and he will not have to go via the route of right seat in the Hawker. Must have friends in high places.
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NetJets Aviation confirms that it intends to furlough up to 495 of its pilots, effective January 2010.................. 
No signs of recovery on the Pilots market ......
NetJets To Furlough Nearly 500 Pilots | AVIATION WEEK
No signs of recovery on the Pilots market ......
NetJets To Furlough Nearly 500 Pilots | AVIATION WEEK
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"I spoke to a friend at NJME last night and he said they held interviews last week. Minimum jet time among the applicants was around 3000 hrs according to him. Tough competition out there 
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Thats good, luckily there are about 400/495 of us who most likely qualify.....with more than half that probably doubling the min. requirements..
."Thats good, luckily there are about 400/495 of us who most likely qualify.....with more than half that probably doubling the min. requirements..
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NJME Right Sizing
NJME Right Sizing!!!
Rumour has it that the main “Right Sizer” just got “right sized”! Seems the jousting between the Americans and the Australians (is NZ a state of Australia?) has taken an interesting twist. The score card, USA 1, Australia 0 (or maybe that is NZ).
I guess the CP is making sure he keeps his back to the wall, you never know where the bowie knife will strike next!
A senior TRI/TRE and a skipper from another fleet gone in the past two weeks without a by-your-leave, interesting times ahead for one and all. It would seem that you can't trust your Kiwi (8th state of Aus) colleagues anymore.
Hey, maybe it’s time for FR to get back up as DO and show everyone how it is really done just like on the 1011 all those years ago. Hey, he might even get a command on the G4 with JL’s help and he won’t even have to know the SOPs!
And just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse, JL sends his second email for his entire tenure at NJME informing all the crew that they forgot to pay the BUPA account!
Stay safe everyone, you’ll need to as you haven’t got medical cover!
Rumour has it that the main “Right Sizer” just got “right sized”! Seems the jousting between the Americans and the Australians (is NZ a state of Australia?) has taken an interesting twist. The score card, USA 1, Australia 0 (or maybe that is NZ).
I guess the CP is making sure he keeps his back to the wall, you never know where the bowie knife will strike next!
A senior TRI/TRE and a skipper from another fleet gone in the past two weeks without a by-your-leave, interesting times ahead for one and all. It would seem that you can't trust your Kiwi (8th state of Aus) colleagues anymore.
Hey, maybe it’s time for FR to get back up as DO and show everyone how it is really done just like on the 1011 all those years ago. Hey, he might even get a command on the G4 with JL’s help and he won’t even have to know the SOPs!
And just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse, JL sends his second email for his entire tenure at NJME informing all the crew that they forgot to pay the BUPA account!
Stay safe everyone, you’ll need to as you haven’t got medical cover!
