Qatar A330-300 in the Grass at CDG
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4krew?
I'm sure it's cold in Anchorage so perhaps you should spend less time outdoors? Only a frozen brain cell could produce that rubbish!
Anybody understand what he(?)'s on about?
I'm sure it's cold in Anchorage so perhaps you should spend less time outdoors? Only a frozen brain cell could produce that rubbish!
Anybody understand what he(?)'s on about?
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The FO was really unlucky to be on that situation as he was PNF on that sector, and from what I heard it was his 1st flight after release on the fleet
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What a load of rubbish!
Before this tread turns into a "rotten egg throwing contest" once more I just wanted to put in this:
This could have happened to everyone! Certainly if the Wx conditions where as described before! CDG is a difficult place, especially during the taxi phase.
Astronaut pilots are a product of someone's mind and do not actually exist in real life!
That goes as well for the Qatari second officers! Qatari 001, your remark about second officer training is totally wrong as far as I am concerned. A jet is jet???? Who made you believe that one?
Some companies indeed do have second officers start on a widebody jet BUT...(to name a few)
CX has them flying on the jumpseat for almost 2 years before they can even touch the controls below FL200!
SIA has a training program which includes almost 35 hours in a learjet before they can come near to any of their planes!
EK has a very extensive training program including lots of JS rides as well!
None of these airlines mentioned here have a single aisle fleet to train their cadets on so they have no other option. I am sure if they would have A320s they would use that fleet to train them on ISO an A330 or B777!
So for QR to even think that the Qatari second officers, coming straight from that joke they call a college with 200hrs under their belts, would be well off starting their careers on the A330 was a huge mistake from the beginning! Not only have they been fooling the SOs themselves, they have been putting the whole operation in danger by doing so! And all this because of an ego question??? Nice one!
Its always a good idea to wait for the final outcome of an investigation before you start shooting down colleagues!
Training department in this airline DOES need lots of attention still.
The JED incident has nothing to do with this at all!
If the disciplinary actions where as they are described over-here, once more this airline shows it is still in its infantile stage in aviation! Witch hunting has been abandoned by most major and self-respecting players in the field, but here it remains the favorite pass-time of the powers in place!
Thats all folks....GT awaits me!
This could have happened to everyone! Certainly if the Wx conditions where as described before! CDG is a difficult place, especially during the taxi phase.
Astronaut pilots are a product of someone's mind and do not actually exist in real life!
That goes as well for the Qatari second officers! Qatari 001, your remark about second officer training is totally wrong as far as I am concerned. A jet is jet???? Who made you believe that one?
Some companies indeed do have second officers start on a widebody jet BUT...(to name a few)
CX has them flying on the jumpseat for almost 2 years before they can even touch the controls below FL200!
SIA has a training program which includes almost 35 hours in a learjet before they can come near to any of their planes!
EK has a very extensive training program including lots of JS rides as well!
None of these airlines mentioned here have a single aisle fleet to train their cadets on so they have no other option. I am sure if they would have A320s they would use that fleet to train them on ISO an A330 or B777!
So for QR to even think that the Qatari second officers, coming straight from that joke they call a college with 200hrs under their belts, would be well off starting their careers on the A330 was a huge mistake from the beginning! Not only have they been fooling the SOs themselves, they have been putting the whole operation in danger by doing so! And all this because of an ego question??? Nice one!
Its always a good idea to wait for the final outcome of an investigation before you start shooting down colleagues!
Training department in this airline DOES need lots of attention still.
The JED incident has nothing to do with this at all!
If the disciplinary actions where as they are described over-here, once more this airline shows it is still in its infantile stage in aviation! Witch hunting has been abandoned by most major and self-respecting players in the field, but here it remains the favorite pass-time of the powers in place!
Thats all folks....GT awaits me!
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strange!
it seems strange to me that a first officer gets sacked when the captain is taxiing the aircraft and ending up in the mud! but maybe this is the quatar logig. what has a first officer to do with taxiing when it is done usually by the captain. most likely the quatar management has got sand in their brain.
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The word is that the instruction to fire the pilots came from 'above'!
As a mistake is a mistake, that suggestion was politely rejected in favour of a temporay demotion for the captain and a 'warning letter' for the FO.
However, a warning letter while on probation normally means 'the end' and word is the FO mouthed a lot of grief to the fleet (not sure what that means?) and lost the sympathy vote.
He may be terminated but is currently under suspension.
GB
As a mistake is a mistake, that suggestion was politely rejected in favour of a temporay demotion for the captain and a 'warning letter' for the FO.
However, a warning letter while on probation normally means 'the end' and word is the FO mouthed a lot of grief to the fleet (not sure what that means?) and lost the sympathy vote.
He may be terminated but is currently under suspension.
GB
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I think the reason he was fired is because he had a bad attitude when he was being asked about the problem on the taxiing story. He might of just got a letter on his file but to show a bad attitude in the investtigation is a easy way to be fired. also you are on probaition. not a smart thing too do for this pilot.
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I think the reason he was fired is because he had a bad attitude when he was being asked about the problem on the taxiing story. He might of just got a letter on his file but to show a bad attitude in the investtigation is a easy way to be fired. also you are on probaition. not a smart thing too do for this pilot.
What do you mean by bad attitude at the investigation. and it means it was you, you ll just go on your belly.
as your name suggest.
What do you mean by bad attitude at the investigation. and it means it was you, you ll just go on your belly.
as your name suggest.
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Not aware of these incidents. What happened in these ones.
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i am sure his is A, I don't think L have enough courage to say what he thinks, they love to put big names like lions tigers and so and when it come the real and true things, they just do what their leader do.
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Whitebrain:
I realize that english is not your mother tongue, but your post makes no sense and is impossible to understand at best.
Poisoned by compromise
Krunch
I realize that english is not your mother tongue, but your post makes no sense and is impossible to understand at best.
Poisoned by compromise
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explanation
A friend saw THE PLACE at CDG and according to him the ACFT missed an entry going east on A loop to join Delta going north, if you miss this A1 taxiway which is the smooth rounded continuation of the ALPHA loop to join D you have a sharp turn left, you are not supposed to go left, so the snowy slippery taxiways were not the point and MAYBE he decided to join this Delta txy instead of going 180 anywhere in front and got stuck. The instruction was Alpha and Delta and that was what he tried exactly but if you go NORTH you have to use A1.
As per the FO punishment there must be something we don't know YET for sure, time and beer will bring it up.
There is an issue of CRM there plus experience or lack of it, involved in a multi nationality operation where the base DOHA and the airline does not help bring good people, out 1700 CV s EK got QR did received 1 or 2, so the airline has to FORMAT the pilots it has, eg CRJ and 727 to name a few, some of these are present on a daily basis. Unfortunately the airline needs an accident WITHOUT life loss on JAA or FAA grounds then investigators will pin point every detail that will be useful to the company, by itself, taking 200 hour pilot to an A330 plus non EFIS capt, they believe they are right AND DOING GREAT 5 star airline etc and problem is growing latent
As per the FO punishment there must be something we don't know YET for sure, time and beer will bring it up.
There is an issue of CRM there plus experience or lack of it, involved in a multi nationality operation where the base DOHA and the airline does not help bring good people, out 1700 CV s EK got QR did received 1 or 2, so the airline has to FORMAT the pilots it has, eg CRJ and 727 to name a few, some of these are present on a daily basis. Unfortunately the airline needs an accident WITHOUT life loss on JAA or FAA grounds then investigators will pin point every detail that will be useful to the company, by itself, taking 200 hour pilot to an A330 plus non EFIS capt, they believe they are right AND DOING GREAT 5 star airline etc and problem is growing latent
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My thoughts exactly!
Thank you very much...
Its about time this so called 5 star airline wakes up and starts smelling the roses. Incidents like this one are more common than we all know (most of them are covered up) and become more and more frequent.
And what is our management and training department doing? Nil/Nada/Zip! Too afaraid to have to tell the little big man that flights have to be cancelled due to crew shortage!
Last few weeks we have seen all sorts of intresting things happening.
A330 in the grass
De-icing in Karachi (????) using plain cold water
Hard landings
....
And in the meanwhile people are being released to fly to CAT C airports based on their number on the seniority list and not performance! There used to be a time when, in order to fly to KTM for example, the company thoroughly selected people on skills and knowledge. Not anymore it seems!
I can not help thinking about the facts in case that NYC miracle on the Hudson would have been one of the QR planes? Disaster for sure!
Five star airline...
Thank you very much...
Its about time this so called 5 star airline wakes up and starts smelling the roses. Incidents like this one are more common than we all know (most of them are covered up) and become more and more frequent.
And what is our management and training department doing? Nil/Nada/Zip! Too afaraid to have to tell the little big man that flights have to be cancelled due to crew shortage!
Last few weeks we have seen all sorts of intresting things happening.
A330 in the grass
De-icing in Karachi (????) using plain cold water
Hard landings
....
And in the meanwhile people are being released to fly to CAT C airports based on their number on the seniority list and not performance! There used to be a time when, in order to fly to KTM for example, the company thoroughly selected people on skills and knowledge. Not anymore it seems!
I can not help thinking about the facts in case that NYC miracle on the Hudson would have been one of the QR planes? Disaster for sure!
Five star airline...
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NASA Pilots !. Please stop the nonsensical statements. You discredit your profession, your workplace and your fellow aviators.
Cool it, do a good job, learn from mistakes and stay safe.
Cool it, do a good job, learn from mistakes and stay safe.