Qatar A330-300 in the Grass at CDG
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Qatar A330-300 in the Grass at CDG
Extremely slippery surfaces at CDG today. See the attached link. (Credit to the host site and photographer. Thanks).
In this close-up view, I miss the old livery actually!
JetPhotos.Net Photo » A7-AEA (CN: 623) Qatar Airways Airbus A330-303 by Jonathan Zaninger
In this close-up view, I miss the old livery actually!
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Slippery surfaces????
Or one of our newly hired so called CRJ captain wannabees, given a left seat on an A330 who found out the hard way that the A330 actually IS a bigger plane?
AIMS will tell I guess.
But than again...who cares?
Keep it safe guys...
Or one of our newly hired so called CRJ captain wannabees, given a left seat on an A330 who found out the hard way that the A330 actually IS a bigger plane?
AIMS will tell I guess.
But than again...who cares?
Keep it safe guys...
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ah yes, just another one of QA's finest hard at work, North African this time I believe, seems he himself believes that slippery conditions were the cause, more like poor turn judgment.
funny how no other aircraft in CDG had this problem that day.
we'll see the out come if any, some nationalities are well supported within QA.
power to the people (or should I say SOME people)
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funny how no other aircraft in CDG had this problem that day.
we'll see the out come if any, some nationalities are well supported within QA.
power to the people (or should I say SOME people)
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Interesting....A Gf L1011 did the same at CDG in approx 1976ish and got bogged down in the grass...attempting a 120degree turn off the runway
as ordered by ATC...known ever after as Dons corner.
It was then found no instruction on taxi turns and aircraft reference points to safely do these or anyother tight turns on narrow runways had been given to any Gf crews.
Maybe this Captain was also placed in harms way by lack of knowledge of how to taxi and turn a widebody.
as ordered by ATC...known ever after as Dons corner.
It was then found no instruction on taxi turns and aircraft reference points to safely do these or anyother tight turns on narrow runways had been given to any Gf crews.
Maybe this Captain was also placed in harms way by lack of knowledge of how to taxi and turn a widebody.
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One thing is sure, this picture will never end up in qatar propaganda's newspapers...
On the other hand i saw long time back at CDG:2000 (and during the summer time,so no ice on taxi way..) An Air france Airbus A-340 with his left hand landing gear in the grass after "missing" a turn during taxi...(ok A340 is not A330 right..),So i guess nobody is immune from doing a mistake.
On the other hand i saw long time back at CDG:2000 (and during the summer time,so no ice on taxi way..) An Air france Airbus A-340 with his left hand landing gear in the grass after "missing" a turn during taxi...(ok A340 is not A330 right..),So i guess nobody is immune from doing a mistake.
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You should be ashamed of yourself Krunch. Getting stuck into a colleague, a fellow Pilot, based on nationality before any investigation has taken place. You couldnt spell professionalism.
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All I know is that I have been flying in and out CDG for over 15 years in all sorts of weather conditions and in all sorts of airplanes (bigger and smaller than the A333).
CDG airport is very good at handling all kinds of adverse weather conditions and I have never seen taxiway surfaces slippery enough to make my main landing gear slide!
I do not know either which turn exactly this could have happend knowing the RWY he landed on and the stand he was going to besides the fact that a turn-in was misjudged!
Its easy....if it realy would have been that slippery wouldnt it have been the nosewheel that would have skidded of the TWY when trying to turn?
Sorry guys, everybody can make mistakes and this very much includes myself, but I smell a cover up here of a judgmental error.
The pilot himself can not even be blamed for this...QR TRNG department is to be blamed! They do not care at all wether their crews are proficient or not when sending them into cold WX ops! All they care about is the legality of the recurrent training so they blindly follow the 6 months recurrent program!
This means that a newly hired inexperienced captain can do his first LPC/OPC in september following the summer program, than fly the whole winter to Europe without ANY training after which he will do his winter recurrent somewhere in March, for the first time experiencing cold WX training!
This problem has been reported to the training department but all of the stars and stripes in there turn a deaf ear!
5 star airline with 1/2 star training!
Maybe the NSW tiller was slippery?
CDG airport is very good at handling all kinds of adverse weather conditions and I have never seen taxiway surfaces slippery enough to make my main landing gear slide!
I do not know either which turn exactly this could have happend knowing the RWY he landed on and the stand he was going to besides the fact that a turn-in was misjudged!
Its easy....if it realy would have been that slippery wouldnt it have been the nosewheel that would have skidded of the TWY when trying to turn?
Sorry guys, everybody can make mistakes and this very much includes myself, but I smell a cover up here of a judgmental error.
The pilot himself can not even be blamed for this...QR TRNG department is to be blamed! They do not care at all wether their crews are proficient or not when sending them into cold WX ops! All they care about is the legality of the recurrent training so they blindly follow the 6 months recurrent program!
This means that a newly hired inexperienced captain can do his first LPC/OPC in september following the summer program, than fly the whole winter to Europe without ANY training after which he will do his winter recurrent somewhere in March, for the first time experiencing cold WX training!
This problem has been reported to the training department but all of the stars and stripes in there turn a deaf ear!
5 star airline with 1/2 star training!
Maybe the NSW tiller was slippery?
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Why do you sound so surprised buddy?
Can’t you see snow on the banks of the taxiways?
If that does not hint slippery taxiways to you then I hate to be one of your passengers on airports like CDG that day.
It’s screaming in your face , what more do you want ? a written statement?
I don’t fly QA , never did and probably never will but, you obviously have an issue with that particular guy beyond reason, it can happen to you too Chuck Yager.
Why do you sound so surprised buddy?
Can’t you see snow on the banks of the taxiways?
If that does not hint slippery taxiways to you then I hate to be one of your passengers on airports like CDG that day.
It’s screaming in your face , what more do you want ? a written statement?
I don’t fly QA , never did and probably never will but, you obviously have an issue with that particular guy beyond reason, it can happen to you too Chuck Yager.
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mkdar - it all depends on what the snow/ice removal's been like.. Recently I was at a Euro airport with great piles of snow around the taxiways but the taxiway itself was real nice and 'grippy'...
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ah yes, just another one of QA's finest hard at work, North African this time I believe, seems he himself believes that slippery conditions were the cause, more like poor turn judgment.
funny how no other aircraft in CDG had this problem that day.
we'll see the out come if any, some nationalities are well supported within QA.
power to the people (or should I say SOME people)
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Krunch
well at teast he is not going to cost the company 6M$ like your brother Captain Kangaroo in jeddah, and you think if it happened to one aircraft it should happen to all the others, what a Captain you are if you are
now I let you guess which nationalities are supported just look at youself
funny how no other aircraft in CDG had this problem that day.
we'll see the out come if any, some nationalities are well supported within QA.
power to the people (or should I say SOME people)
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Krunch
well at teast he is not going to cost the company 6M$ like your brother Captain Kangaroo in jeddah, and you think if it happened to one aircraft it should happen to all the others, what a Captain you are if you are
now I let you guess which nationalities are supported just look at youself
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What will happens to the skipper....? well i guess it will depend.. if the captain involved is a good friend of the big boss or not, and if he belongs or not to one of those well (politicaly dictated) "protected" gangs here.
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FYI:
yes I am a Capt here.
I dont support the end result of what happened to Capt Kangaroo episode in JED, as it happened in Alexandira, and FRA as well but the result was different (as it should have been)
fact remains, with the various in-house mafia's, some nationalities get away with being part of the lowest common denominatiors this company is build around.. we have some very professional, and we have some that shouldn't even have a drivers license.
as for the Capt in CDG, everyone knows he already has a very poor reputaion within the ranks, and is seen as one who thinks he knows more than NASA.
I'm sorry to say that, but it's true and nearly everyone I fly with has a negative comment towards him.
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FYI:
yes I am a Capt here.
I dont support the end result of what happened to Capt Kangaroo episode in JED, as it happened in Alexandira, and FRA as well but the result was different (as it should have been)
fact remains, with the various in-house mafia's, some nationalities get away with being part of the lowest common denominatiors this company is build around.. we have some very professional, and we have some that shouldn't even have a drivers license.
as for the Capt in CDG, everyone knows he already has a very poor reputaion within the ranks, and is seen as one who thinks he knows more than NASA.
I'm sorry to say that, but it's true and nearly everyone I fly with has a negative comment towards him.
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Sure we have some professiona and some shouldn't have a drivers license, want to know to which cat you belong
fact remains, with the various in-house mafia's, some nationalities get away with being part of the lowest common denominatiors this company is build around.. we have some very professional, and we have some that shouldn't even have a drivers license.
as for the Capt in CDG, everyone knows he already has a very poor reputaion within the ranks, and is seen as one who thinks he knows more than NASA.
I'm sorry to say that, but it's true and nearly everyone I fly with has a negative comment towards him.
fact remains, with the various in-house mafia's, some nationalities get away with being part of the lowest common denominatiors this company is build around.. we have some very professional, and we have some that shouldn't even have a drivers license.
as for the Capt in CDG, everyone knows he already has a very poor reputaion within the ranks, and is seen as one who thinks he knows more than NASA.
I'm sorry to say that, but it's true and nearly everyone I fly with has a negative comment towards him.
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it seems you spend you flying time with you F/O assessing others pilots what a professional Captain you are.
as for the Capt in CDG, everyone knows he already has a very poor reputaion within the ranks, and is seen as one who thinks he knows more than NASA.
I'm sorry to say that, but it's true and nearly everyone I fly with has a negative comment towards him.
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Krunch
as for the Capt in CDG, everyone knows he already has a very poor reputaion within the ranks, and is seen as one who thinks he knows more than NASA.
I'm sorry to say that, but it's true and nearly everyone I fly with has a negative comment towards him.
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Krunch
