Saudia

[mutt]

recruiting pilots for the 747

I doubt it, as polax52 has stated, the 744 will be phased out shortly, and I wouldnt be surprised if the -8's are given to AAI to operate.

But that wouldnt stop you from applying for the 777.

As for the 787, will they recruit outside? Or as the new toy, will it be kept internal for A320 upgrades?

[Chocks Away]

Yes interesting moves on the chess board currently, mutt.
Two moves I have heard "around the water bubbler" are;
-AAI's days (& other chtrs) are numbered as they wish to bring all Saudia tail operations in house to control the brand better. This will take some time as the numbers evolved are huge, especially with the season soon to begin.
-immediate flow of crew is to 777 growth mostly but the intention is to keep crew "on type" for ease of training in the future. I guess this means watch out for some new Airbus toys, in this new bulk order of aircrafts to come. 787 staying in house for now. 20 to come now, :-)
(PS I am aware of the type crossover asked, when changing to the left seat but there simply may not be available training slots to do this in the future. It's definitely smarter to stay "on type" & and not lose experience gained, definitely more efficient and what most other airlines do... )

[Mach Speed]

SV 787s

I was told by a SV captain that they plan to use existing SV E170 crew to move them over to the 787, as they phase in the 787s and phase out the E170s. However, there is the issue of needing seasoned international captains for the 787s, and I'm not sure how they plan to address that. The common type rating between the T7 and the 787 along with the "11-day" differences course make it logical to get at least an initial set of experienced T7 SV captains qualified on the 787 as TREs, TRIs, etc.

I agree about SV trying to keep it all in-house to better control therir brand, and that leaves AAI out of the picture for now. The bigger problem for SV is to attract enough qualified FDC to account for all of its expansion and retirements.

[polax52]

The 744 will be phased out by April 2016 and all IP's have been given the option to bid for the 787. Everybody else have 2 options: 1. B748 Cargo 2. B777.


I don't agree about bringing all operation in-house, this sounds like one of a multitude of rumours. There are too many vested interests in the wet lease operation for this to be a significant option. In addition to that AAI provide reliable substitute aircraft which are currently required on a daily basis. If it is a plan then that is all it will ever be.

[mutt]

There is a lot of agency fees being paid for the leased aircraft, so it wont suit all parties to bring that flying in house. At the same time, where on earth are they going to find the crews for another 35 aircraft.

I don't see the 8F as an option for the 744 crews, I don't believe that it will be operated by the mainline next year.

[papsifo]

737 efis

hi guys

I saw the requirement for wide body first officer.

I have some boeing 737 efis time and some NG time

My question is does boeing 737 efis time qualify towards the requirement of 1500 glas cockpit time.

[alloha]

737

@papsifo. Yes it does. I had only 737 EFIS hours (5.500) and i had no problem at all. If you read carefully the requirements you will see that they do accept 737 Efis as well

[metro301]

Arab News

In the english paper today they announced SVA will purchase and additional 100 aircraft to increase and modernize the fleet. No specifics other than that.....

As to placing the E70 fleet pilots direct onto the 787...... Not a chance..... perhaps the few senior expats with wide body experience. There is not a snowballs chance in the desert for a one to one swap for remaining crew. The E70 is a training airplane for them, the Capt's generally are fresh out of the right seat and don't even have the published mins for the 320, the Fo's are right out of C-172's. It will go wide body Capt's as initial cadre and perhaps down the A320 list if they get desperate. Training costs mean nothing to SVA. Just my humble opinion. E70 will transition to A320 except for senior expats. 787 initial cadre will be wide body and senior A320 Capts......

[alloha]

@Metro 301. Papers Are not alaways in touch with real world. Some assumptions ,even though in aviation assumptions must be avoided.

lets say that SVA wants to add 50 aircrafts to its fleet.

1) HR can not facilitate the amount of pilots required to operate these aircarfts.they work very hard but its quite unrealistic to hire more than 250 pilots per year(minus the attrition during training)

2) lets skip #1 and assume that SVA by a miraculous way hires 500 pilots per year. Those people will wait for ever for the GACA oral exam plus the GACA check ride in the sim plus the GACA check ride in LT(captains only). Right now a large number of mainly T7 crews are on a stby pool for the oral exams because GACA has a very limited capacity.guys left for Sim abroad without having take the exams and without having a set date after their return.and 2 new classes start every month!!

3) all in all SVA will face out The first B 777 (replacing them with 787 and 777) who joined the fleet 17 years ago and the E170 and replace them most propably with A318-319. And thats the reason they start looking for expat FOs (so far all expat FOs ) were invited only for the WB. 100 new aircrafts is certainly a number beyond company's capacity and mostly because of the structure of training which is required by GACA

[mutt]

100 new aircrafts is certainly a number beyond company's capacity and mostly because of the structure of training which is required by GACA

This talk has gone on for a few years, the company requested the aircraft from the Government and are awaiting approval, as you said the original 777-200's were delivered starting on the 25Dec1997, there are 22 of them and most of the A320's are leased, so they can easily change 50 aircraft without needing to hire any crew.
I doubt that the E170 needs to be replaced by a 90 seater, economically the 320 would suit as the domestic loads are high with an ever growing population.
As for PSAA, well what can I say

[polax52]

Originally Posted by mutt

This talk has gone on for a few years, the company requested the aircraft from the Government and are awaiting approval, as you said the original 777-200's were delivered starting on the 25Dec1997, there are 22 of them and most of the A320's are leased, so they can easily change 50 aircraft without needing to hire any crew.
I doubt that the E170 needs to be replaced by a 90 seater, economically the 320 would suit as the domestic loads are high with an ever growing population.
As for PSAA, well what can I say

Having said all that; Saudia are planning to double in size in the the next 5 years both in terms of fleet size and in terms of passengers per year. Whether it is doable or not remains to be seen, they will certainly throw a lot of money at it. Approval from the government is not only in place but it is required by the government.

The newspaper article refers to the delivery of 100 new aircraft of which only 12 have been delivered to date.

[metro301]

Originally Posted by polax52

The newspaper article refers to the delivery of 100 new aircraft of which only 12 have been delivered to date.

Polax, double check the article - The article referred to the original 100 aircraft orders that were made over 5 years ago. 12 of those aircraft have yet to be delivered (8 X 787 + some 777F or 300's). That old order from the past included the 55- 320/321's the 330's and the 777-300's.

It went to say that this is an entirely new authorization for an additional 100 aircraft. Some aircraft will certainly phase out the older 777-200, 747-400 and possibly the E70's. It has been said the 787 order will increase to 20+. The 330 fleet will also increase. They will not appear tomorrow, this is a 5 year plan, yes they will be stretched even further for cockpit crews. So after replacements, guess at say 50-60ish new aircraft?

The exact same stuff was said 5 years ago with the original 5 year plan, the aircraft did arrive. Can' see it being any different this time around. Totally agree with you on the processing times for pilots. It will be a stretch but they were able to piece things together for the last 5 years.

[TriStrPlt]

May 11th screening

Anyone scheduled for May 11th screening?


KF

[727Man]

Anyone else had the same email? click on the link and nothing happens, have had the email twice. Anyone have a proper link? From [email protected].

In reference to your application for a pilot position in SAUDIA,

Kindly fill the information sheet attached in the link below and send it back to us to proceed your application.



· Information Sheet FDC Application From (follow link to download)





Regards,

[TriStrPlt]

Link

Try This one:


If you haven’t already completed an FDC form, kindly complete FDC Application From (follow link to download). This is mandatory to attend assessments.

[727Man]

Thanks TristrPlt, that is the same link They sent me, goes to a site called copy.com and keeps spinning round and round nothing happens.

I have replied to their email twice with no reply back??

Does it need to be a windows PC as i am on a Mac?

[corsair44]

informations about A320

Hi guys

Before applying for capt 320 job in Saudia, I'd like to get some informations about A320 haul.

Could you tell me what kind of flights, you make on 320( only short haul flights or medium haul flights) as I heard there was a lot of domestic 1h flights) ?

how many flights a day maximum ?

Average number of flights hours you make by month ?

Thanks a lot for your help.

[Flyboy_SG]

Yes 727Man, it doesn't work on iMac. Try it on widowsPC.



Did anyone attend the screening recently ? Do they still have ATPL, math and physics aptitude tests ?


Thanks

[alloha]

info

@corsair44 average 75-80 hours per month. Apart from domestic routes ( and flights in the peninsula) there are some European destinations (FRA GVA IST) and also some destinations in Africa and India. Although u will be based in JED lots of 3-4 days trip with overnights in Dammam Riyadh etc. block of 5 days of per month .

[corsair44]

Thanks a lot alloha

Do you live in Saudia compound in Jeddah ? What does live look like down there ? Do you have things to do when you don't work ? ( sports ?)

When did you join Saudia ?