Saudia

[richard III]

Yes, they are, and pretty aggresively if you are type rated

[mutt]

if you are type rated

The advantages for type rated people is that their release to line training process takes 7 months 29 days rather than 8 months

Mutt

[Non rev]

Any word on FO's?

[condorbaaz]

Could some one please amplify min guaranteed hours.
Does it mean that one gets paid for at least 78 hrs whether flown or not
Thanks

[metro301]

Non-Rev - Saudi Nationals only as FO. There are some Expat FO's here but they were hired awhile back and all had extensive heavy time.

Condor - Min Guarantee is minimum salary paid each month regardless of hours flown. The actual hour (68,73,78) amount differs by type of equipment category. The hour value is only used in calculation of additional pay, Overtime etc.

For example: If you fly 40 hours - you will get your min guarantee. If you fly one hour over your min guarantee (78+1=79) you will get 1/78 of your guarantee in addition.

That is a simplified explanation. There is also productivity bonuses and increased incentives that I won't go into.

[condorbaaz]

Thanks metro. Looking for a330 as p1...already applied with contract air. Now waiting...

[mutt]

If you have the hours to qualify for P1 A330, then apply for the B777, much better route structure and growing fleet that gives the opportunity to earn overtime. They don't care if you have flown the A330 or B777 before, you will undergo a full type rating.

Only downside to this plan is that you will be bonded on the B777 at 50% of basic salary for 4 months then 25% until they reach 100,000 Riyals, you get it back 2 years after release to the line.

Mutt

[condorbaaz]

Thanks Mutt..That seems good..will try that..Dont mind the bond , since I intend to stay there longer..

[flyhuzaifa_a380]

SV Maintenance staff 2013

Hi,
Aviators just tell me as they are just expanding their fleet many folds, what is happening to technician and engineers recruitment in the first half of 2013.
Any suggestions in particular from the staff there is appreciated....... .

[mauijim]

Does anybody know the breakdown of salary for Saudi Air. I read in one of the sites that a junior B747-4 Capt gets about US$7800, and a senior Capt of up to $30,000.
Appreciate your assistance and Thanks in advance.

MJ

[mauijim]

Hello Mutt

Hi Mutt,
I noticed you are quite conversant with conditions @ Saudi Airlines. Would appreciate if you could give a breakdown of B747-4 Capt's income between Ist year, 2nd, and so on if possible.

Much appreciated.

mj

[mutt]

They have never hired direct entries for the B744, so no one will be able to give you the figures that you seek. However, I will say that you are confusing salary with earnings, the basic is about $10k, the top scale about $16k (But you will never earn this). Earnings are based on productivity, overtime etc, but as I said, there are no new hire expats on this fleet, so no one to compare salaries with

I will give you the same advise as the previous guy, if you have the experience for the B744, then ask for the B777.

Mutt

[manfromnorth]

Living in Saudi

Besides all the remarks about salary....contract details can probably be requested by Contractair.

How is the life as B744 Capt in Saudi as it is clear commuting is not an option and if not having the possibility to take family with you.

Could someone please post an honest answer...who actually work/live in Saudi.

How many days do you actually spend in Jeddah, living, accommodation and how is life in general as "single" there.

Thanks in advance

[mauijim]

Thanks for the response Mutt.
I have just been contacted for a possible direct entry B747-4. I hope it is not a wild goose chase.

Does anyone have information on interview and sim check details? Appreciate any help.

Cheers and thanks.
mj

[mutt]

I hope it is not a wild goose chase

They are advertising for B744 Captains for the first time, so it shouldn't be a wild goose chase, however,

possible direct entry B747-4

to me, direct entry means that you are qualified with hours, show up, do a shortened course and are released to fly the aircraft. However around here that gets lost in the translation, there is absolutely no difference in the training between a qualified B744 driver and a non qualified one. You have to obtain a GACA licence rather than obtain a validation on your present licence. So bring a big big big bag of patience.

Manfromthenorth, there are 2 expats presently flying the B744, the others have retired, in some cases they were in Jeddah for nigh on 40 years, so it cant be all bad Because life on each fleet is different, it will be impractical for anyone who isnt flying the B744 to answer your question.

BTW, if you mean "single", you will have a great time, if you mean "geographically single" then it wont be easy.

They presently operate 4 B744's that only do routes to Manila and Colombo, with the usual domestic, gulf return trips. Gone are the days when Manila was a 8-10 day trip. The Cargo division will take delivery of 2 B748-F's in a few months, with a RUMOR that the airline will also take them, so this fleet could become fun or if it doesn't expand, it could be extremely boring.

Mutt

[mauijim]

Thanks again Mutt..

mj

[condorbaaz]

any updates?

[rdr]

hello chaps,
i've got an assessment on the 777 DEC on the cards. appreciate some help on what the assessment and interview process is about.
thanks

[CDRW]

rdr check you PM

[igig]

Saudia was in Los Angeles this past weekend. Was that for pilot interviews?