Ayla Aaa Jordan
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hey AERO......why you are so arrogant!!!.....are you part of ayla or friend of CEO........i do not know why my previous post has been removed...any how i will write it again without mentioning the names.
Mr ayla CEO , i heard the news regarding your meeting in bahrain....just for your sake....busines without repetition will not exist, unless it is coming from haram, which are all your money in fact.
Hey CEO...we with BDB are watching you so closely now....already the replacement colleague has been located...of course not in fantastic jordan.....and they willing to take all the cadet, with cheaper price and of course a higher license standard.....so either behave or lose...or let us say we will teach you a listen...
boys pls make up your mind and leave this s@@@@@@
place....SNR CAPTAIN ......EX MANAGMENT......but still a big boss
either you like or not.......
Mr ayla CEO , i heard the news regarding your meeting in bahrain....just for your sake....busines without repetition will not exist, unless it is coming from haram, which are all your money in fact.
Hey CEO...we with BDB are watching you so closely now....already the replacement colleague has been located...of course not in fantastic jordan.....and they willing to take all the cadet, with cheaper price and of course a higher license standard.....so either behave or lose...or let us say we will teach you a listen...
boys pls make up your mind and leave this s@@@@@@
place....SNR CAPTAIN ......EX MANAGMENT......but still a big bosseither you like or not.......
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are you part of ayla or friend of CEO
i do not know why my previous post has been removed
By all means disagree with people, share your disappointment and discontent, but do so respectfully.
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Official approvals
Most of the approval work was done by the AFT appointee's
If I call up Gulf Air and the Bahrain CAA on Sunday, will they both be able to confirm this for me?
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Aero,
Do you know anything about Marketing?
Ayla is pretending having GF approval since JAN 08 but it's still not approved and it should not be, you call up GF now and ask them.
And regarding Bahrain CAA, since Ayla is in ICAO license issuing country it will be automatically approved but what pilots cares about is the approval of Airliners I believe.
Do you know anything about Marketing?
Ayla is pretending having GF approval since JAN 08 but it's still not approved and it should not be, you call up GF now and ask them.
And regarding Bahrain CAA, since Ayla is in ICAO license issuing country it will be automatically approved but what pilots cares about is the approval of Airliners I believe.
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Clarification
Hi Aero/EHBH,
Ayla is GF approved.
I did most of the work - the gap analysis between the CARC (Jordan) CPL/IR and the ANTR (Bahrain) ATP(A), and the production of the manuals - operations and training. The syllabus at Ayla was accepted by GF as being equivalent to the ANTR's (Bahrain CAA's regulations) such that GF could propose, as they did, that a Jordanian CPL/IR with ATPL knowledge obtained at Ayla could be converted into a Bahraini CPL/IR with ATPL knowledge (the so-called Frozen ATPL).
You are half right about ICAO licenses EHBH: article 33 of the International Convention on Civil Aviation (the Chicago Convention) requires that all Contracting States should recognise each other's licenses, certificates and ratings. However, article 1 allows each Contracting State to be sovereign in its own airspace. Article 1 is deemed supreme such that, and in practice, each State need only recognise each other's licenses as equivalent to a PPL. Therefore, if a Bahraini national asks the Bahrain CAA to convert a Jordanian CPL/IR to a Bahraini licence, the Bahrain CAA are perfectly within their rights to issue only a PPL, and that after taking some local requirements, usually air law/human factors exams.
In Ayla's case, as I mention above, the academy needed GF to approach BCAA for approval that Ayla's product met the ANTR's. This was accepted and approved in July - I was in Bahrain, with GF's training department, at the time.
In conclusion, Ayla is (or at least was, I have been away for 1 month) BCAA approved for the issuance of the BCAA "Frozen" ATPL. Ayla is (or at least was) an approved GF training provider.
I hope this clarifies the situation.
Ayla is GF approved.
I did most of the work - the gap analysis between the CARC (Jordan) CPL/IR and the ANTR (Bahrain) ATP(A), and the production of the manuals - operations and training. The syllabus at Ayla was accepted by GF as being equivalent to the ANTR's (Bahrain CAA's regulations) such that GF could propose, as they did, that a Jordanian CPL/IR with ATPL knowledge obtained at Ayla could be converted into a Bahraini CPL/IR with ATPL knowledge (the so-called Frozen ATPL).
You are half right about ICAO licenses EHBH: article 33 of the International Convention on Civil Aviation (the Chicago Convention) requires that all Contracting States should recognise each other's licenses, certificates and ratings. However, article 1 allows each Contracting State to be sovereign in its own airspace. Article 1 is deemed supreme such that, and in practice, each State need only recognise each other's licenses as equivalent to a PPL. Therefore, if a Bahraini national asks the Bahrain CAA to convert a Jordanian CPL/IR to a Bahraini licence, the Bahrain CAA are perfectly within their rights to issue only a PPL, and that after taking some local requirements, usually air law/human factors exams.
In Ayla's case, as I mention above, the academy needed GF to approach BCAA for approval that Ayla's product met the ANTR's. This was accepted and approved in July - I was in Bahrain, with GF's training department, at the time.
In conclusion, Ayla is (or at least was, I have been away for 1 month) BCAA approved for the issuance of the BCAA "Frozen" ATPL. Ayla is (or at least was) an approved GF training provider.
I hope this clarifies the situation.
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Approvals
Do you know anything about Marketing?
If formal approvals originated from Gulf Air and BCAA, they are naturally the most authoratative source to confirm this. I shall call them up tomorrow to ask. The three possible answers I'll get are:
- Yes they've been approved by us
- I'm sorry I can't comment
- No, they've not been approved yet
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Mark,
I think you’re absolutely unaware of Ayla's situation after many cadets -around 17- decided to leave (left) the academy and made a big issue concerning Ayla in Gulf air and Bahrain Bank. Ayla’s CEO was brought up to GF and BDB and he was questioned about everything, now GF is reviewing the approval again (call them UP).
FYI, Ayla has been approved by GF because it was the only preferred place for new Bahraini comers by BDB, but now BDB has Blacklisted Ayla, and GF started auditing new place.
FYI, Ayla’s next students joining date will be in FEB 09, instead of NOV 08, and they might delay it more, since no enough students applied for them after what happened.
I think you’re absolutely unaware of Ayla's situation after many cadets -around 17- decided to leave (left) the academy and made a big issue concerning Ayla in Gulf air and Bahrain Bank. Ayla’s CEO was brought up to GF and BDB and he was questioned about everything, now GF is reviewing the approval again (call them UP).
FYI, Ayla has been approved by GF because it was the only preferred place for new Bahraini comers by BDB, but now BDB has Blacklisted Ayla, and GF started auditing new place.
FYI, Ayla’s next students joining date will be in FEB 09, instead of NOV 08, and they might delay it more, since no enough students applied for them after what happened.
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Aero,
We don’t have anything with Ayla, and we wish them all the luck.
All what should be provided and given are: a transparent marketing policy and a good and an ethical treatment to students and staff.
We don’t have anything with Ayla, and we wish them all the luck.
All what should be provided and given are: a transparent marketing policy and a good and an ethical treatment to students and staff.
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You are right EHBH, I am not aware of the results of the last month. However, I want you and Aero to be aware that the GF/BCAA approvals were gained honourably and through meeting the requirements for GF. In other words, there was no wasta or backyard dealing. We met the requirements because, at the time and with the team we had in place, we could deliver the high standard of training the GF process demanded.
So, to ensure this thread is absolutely accurate:
Jan 08 - GF approval (though nothing on paper) for Bridge Courses, ie. ATPL knowledge for those individuals who were already CPL/IR from any Contracting State;
Jul 08 - GF/BCAA approval for the ab initio CPL/IR/ATPL knowledge course.
So, to ensure this thread is absolutely accurate:
Jan 08 - GF approval (though nothing on paper) for Bridge Courses, ie. ATPL knowledge for those individuals who were already CPL/IR from any Contracting State;
Jul 08 - GF/BCAA approval for the ab initio CPL/IR/ATPL knowledge course.
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gilderoy lockhartEHBH,
Why did these 17 students choose to leave and why has Ayla been balcklisted by the BDB. What has gone wrong?
NO,,,,,
Ayla is not blacklisted by BDB, my frind was in BDB today for his contract.
Why did these 17 students choose to leave and why has Ayla been balcklisted by the BDB. What has gone wrong?
NO,,,,,
Ayla is not blacklisted by BDB, my frind was in BDB today for his contract.
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guyzzzzzz,
listen carefully, i dont recommand anyone to come and study at Ayla...
and for you whos telling that ur freind was there to sign his contract with Ayla, why didnt he asked BDB about Ayla....they will give you the full details about thus cadets which they have already left..
Mark,
am sorry but what all you have did at Ayla, the CEO has destroy it already....
sorry to say that, but i think you already know whats going on...!!!
listen carefully, i dont recommand anyone to come and study at Ayla...
and for you whos telling that ur freind was there to sign his contract with Ayla, why didnt he asked BDB about Ayla....they will give you the full details about thus cadets which they have already left..
Mark,
am sorry but what all you have did at Ayla, the CEO has destroy it already....
sorry to say that, but i think you already know whats going on...!!!
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Whatever you guys do make sure you go to a Gulf Air certified school-that's if you want to join us, since there are plenty of Bahrainis with licenses but the a**holes in recruiting are after bringing in their people so they look for any excuse.
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Approvals nonsense
Having spoken to BDB & BCAA here were their responses.
BDB: They said they don't have a system of approving any flight schools. When clients approach them for a flight training loan, they are free to select any flight training organization and they don't bias the decision of the student.
BCAA: They said they are aware of a flight school in Jordan named Ayla, but the guy added that there is no formal approval process from their end. They don't even have a list of approved schools.
The only organization that I havent been able to get in touch with is Gulf Air. I'll try again tomorrow and hopefully someone will pickup.
BDB: They said they don't have a system of approving any flight schools. When clients approach them for a flight training loan, they are free to select any flight training organization and they don't bias the decision of the student.
BCAA: They said they are aware of a flight school in Jordan named Ayla, but the guy added that there is no formal approval process from their end. They don't even have a list of approved schools.
The only organization that I havent been able to get in touch with is Gulf Air. I'll try again tomorrow and hopefully someone will pickup.
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Welcom To Amman
The news at Amman is that 20 students are joining Meadle East Academy ,Few students (may be 5) joining RJAA.
MEA Is approved long time ago.donno about RJAA, BUT They have somebody visiting GA This week. Every body is welcome to Amman.
MEA Is approved long time ago.donno about RJAA, BUT They have somebody visiting GA This week. Every body is welcome to Amman.