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I still don't understand how it can be "fairer"....Why don't we speed up upgrades since it's a faster and cheaper process than bringing a non-type rated DEC. We have a surplus of F/Os on the 320 and I believe also on the 330 for the moment, and we are at least 23 Captains short on the 320 hence the killer roster that they have been getting for the past couple of months.
There is nothing fair, logical or economical to bypass qualified and well deserving F/Os and bring in DECs.
Or if it is fairer to bring DECs on the 320 then wouldn't it be even "fairer...er" to consider a fast track for junior F/Os with time and experience or even PIC time? They can do as good if not better than some of those senior F/Os who have started their career as S/Os and despite their 3 stripes are very limited in their experience and ability to command.....No disrespect to anyone.
There is nothing fair, logical or economical to bypass qualified and well deserving F/Os and bring in DECs.
Or if it is fairer to bring DECs on the 320 then wouldn't it be even "fairer...er" to consider a fast track for junior F/Os with time and experience or even PIC time? They can do as good if not better than some of those senior F/Os who have started their career as S/Os and despite their 3 stripes are very limited in their experience and ability to command.....No disrespect to anyone.
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It is not fair and it never will be fair!
They do no even need to fast track guys, there are enough FOs waiting with the 5000hrsTT and 3 years company requirement to fill the gaps!
The boys in the office just do not want to give upgrades any priority, thats all! And now the pressure comes on from the 9th floor as flights on A320 where cancelled last two weeks, so they react by hiring DEC on A320 now as well!
The circle in QR will NEVER be broken!
They do no even need to fast track guys, there are enough FOs waiting with the 5000hrsTT and 3 years company requirement to fill the gaps!
The boys in the office just do not want to give upgrades any priority, thats all! And now the pressure comes on from the 9th floor as flights on A320 where cancelled last two weeks, so they react by hiring DEC on A320 now as well!
The circle in QR will NEVER be broken!
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Just one simple question, do the 320 training dep., have enought tri, tre, and li, to coupe with upgrades and DEC at the same time?, so who is going to have priority? the Q for upgrade still long , and it's getting longer every month, if you add DEC you will get a disaster nex year, more resignations , and more money expended in training 
mnnnnnn. may be I have a point here?
mnnnnnn. may be I have a point here?
the Q for upgrade still long , and it's getting longer every month, if you add DEC you will get a disaster nex year, more resignations , and more money expended in training
Resignations??!! Wonder when some of you guys are going to get your heads out from your a**eholes and smell the (roses...). Do you read the papers?Do you check what is going on in the aviation industry? Do you live on planet Earth? There is a time to rock the boat and there is a time to shut the f**k up!
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Phantom $ wango tango lol lol
Read last week flight international Etihad taking pilots , Air Asia as well ,Arabia too and Korean Air . There is job just need to have b....
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To Phantom and Wango
Wango nobody force you to read this post, if you think it's crap just don't read any more.
And Phantom , of course I read the news, do you now how many resignations do we have this year?, do you now how much it's the oil today?, do you think this crisis it's gona last too long ?, I'm just worry about the company future, if people like you still thinking like that, and don't make this company a stable, nice, and career mind place to stay for long time. and by the way I smell roses every morning no asses like some of you guys.
One Q to Phantom , do you join as a DEC ?
And Phantom , of course I read the news, do you now how many resignations do we have this year?, do you now how much it's the oil today?, do you think this crisis it's gona last too long ?, I'm just worry about the company future, if people like you still thinking like that, and don't make this company a stable, nice, and career mind place to stay for long time. and by the way I smell roses every morning no asses like some of you guys.
One Q to Phantom , do you join as a DEC ?
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Returning to the topic, has anyone else noticed how our esteemed Flight Ops VICE President, BW, rigs the roster? Flies to Heathrow and a couple of days later, operates Gatwick - Doha.
The result, two paxing captains to cover the 2 sectors he doesn't fly.
Saving money for the company by reducing our hotel standards while pulling this stunt is the height of hypocrisy.
If you're called to pax to or from the London area, ask why.
GB
The result, two paxing captains to cover the 2 sectors he doesn't fly.
Saving money for the company by reducing our hotel standards while pulling this stunt is the height of hypocrisy.
If you're called to pax to or from the London area, ask why.
GB
Viewpoint;
No, but I (and family) do commute a lot with you guys, and I have to say, no matter what the problems up front, your guys and girls do a superb job down the back.Travelling with QR is usually a good experience.
I do sympathise with many of the complaints here regarding DEC's when you have been a loyal servant on the "lower" fleets awaiting transfer up the line. We have all been through the same mill at one time or another with various companies.
All I can say is-Right now, the market is not exactly "rosy", and despite what the pundits say, the grass is never greener on the other side; it's the same s**t wherever you go. It has always been a case of "better the devil you know than the one you don't". You pick what suits you best at the time. But rest assured that this is the same age old cycle, be it in aviation, economics or whatever. May sound like cold comfort , but in the current unfortunate climate, one can only hope. Bottom line -Be patient. All being well, as a professional, your time will come! That is for sure!
One Q to Phantom , do you join as a DEC ?
I do sympathise with many of the complaints here regarding DEC's when you have been a loyal servant on the "lower" fleets awaiting transfer up the line. We have all been through the same mill at one time or another with various companies.
All I can say is-Right now, the market is not exactly "rosy", and despite what the pundits say, the grass is never greener on the other side; it's the same s**t wherever you go. It has always been a case of "better the devil you know than the one you don't". You pick what suits you best at the time. But rest assured that this is the same age old cycle, be it in aviation, economics or whatever. May sound like cold comfort , but in the current unfortunate climate, one can only hope. Bottom line -Be patient. All being well, as a professional, your time will come! That is for sure!
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Are there any non-type rated new hire pilots going into the A320? And yes I know that Qatar airways is low on the list of comfort airlines for pilots. I've live in the middle east before.
At this time a check is a check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just want to know what equipment new hires are being put on!
Thanks for any info!
At this time a check is a check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just want to know what equipment new hires are being put on!
Thanks for any info!
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oryxbollocks, What you mentioned in your post is a repeated practice by BW.
IM thing is to travel regularly to the exotic destinations for diving lessons in Bali....the Maldives..etc.
Pilots are not allowed to select flights, no fleet transfer, days off requests not guaranteed....etc. even trainers are not allowed to resign, otherwise they are blocked on the current type!
Yet again, what do you expect from people who jumped on management seats, getting a 330 type rating for themselves while blocking the fleet transfer for the senior company pilots!!
Of course they can prove me wrong when they restore the fleet transfer, be fair to ALL the company pilots and start hiring/upgrading to the 320 fleet..etc.
IM thing is to travel regularly to the exotic destinations for diving lessons in Bali....the Maldives..etc.
Pilots are not allowed to select flights, no fleet transfer, days off requests not guaranteed....etc. even trainers are not allowed to resign, otherwise they are blocked on the current type!
Yet again, what do you expect from people who jumped on management seats, getting a 330 type rating for themselves while blocking the fleet transfer for the senior company pilots!!
Of course they can prove me wrong when they restore the fleet transfer, be fair to ALL the company pilots and start hiring/upgrading to the 320 fleet..etc.
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Just a small correction guys.
A "Nigel" is slang for a BA pilot. BW never worked for BA, only the franchise "GB". Which he managed to destroy quite successfully. Those at BA would be quite happy not to have him counted as one of them.
A "Nigel" is slang for a BA pilot. BW never worked for BA, only the franchise "GB". Which he managed to destroy quite successfully. Those at BA would be quite happy not to have him counted as one of them.
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Point taken....
Let's keep it at "The Poms" than! (We have to call you guys something , dont we?
No offense intended...Frogs, Poms, ...whats in a name!)
Seems like at least 50% of our comical duo has managed to even build up a negative reputation on their home soil!
Oxidant, maybe you could share with us the true and full story behind these two characters?
I would like to know how it is possible that these two managed to get these positions. Hos they manage to keep these positions and how they manage to have even our notorious CEO's decisions revised! Never happend before!
Let's keep it at "The Poms" than! (We have to call you guys something , dont we?
No offense intended...Frogs, Poms, ...whats in a name!)Seems like at least 50% of our comical duo has managed to even build up a negative reputation on their home soil!
Oxidant, maybe you could share with us the true and full story behind these two characters?
I would like to know how it is possible that these two managed to get these positions. Hos they manage to keep these positions and how they manage to have even our notorious CEO's decisions revised! Never happend before!
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1Is there a shortage of F/O on the 320 fleet or just captains?
2Iv'e heard that with the new management there is a preference of upgrading on the same aircraft. e.g. if you're a F/O on the 330 then you up grade on the 330?
3 Is it true that all non type rated new hire F/O's are going onto the 777?
Does anyone have the answer's or gossip?
2Iv'e heard that with the new management there is a preference of upgrading on the same aircraft. e.g. if you're a F/O on the 330 then you up grade on the 330?
3 Is it true that all non type rated new hire F/O's are going onto the 777?
Does anyone have the answer's or gossip?
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right now non type rated FOs are going to 777 BUT they all have serious experience on 737, 747 or 75/76. Other non type rated (mostly RJs) and Airbus guys go to the Airbus fleet (320 or 330).
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A320 has an acute shortage of Capt and a normal shortage of FOs
Right to left seat upgrade is still in a dreamphase and will probably be discarded as it is not fair to all parties involved and basically a very very bad idea! It is a product of dreams of some of the FOs around here but nothing real has been studied by the management. Some initial studies have been conducted and some provision is made regarding this in the training manual but thats it!
Anyway, what are you worried about. If you join now as an FO you should count on 6 years before even being regarded as a possible candidate. There are 500FOs waiting in front of you! Be realistic and do not fool yourself!
Fleet assignement is done based on previous experience and company requirement. In the near future more focus will be given again to the A320 fleet. (DEC A320 just started again last month) as this is the basic fleet overhere and the people in the office do realise the benefits of having a plan in place whereby everybody moves from A320 to A330 or 777!
Right to left seat upgrade is still in a dreamphase and will probably be discarded as it is not fair to all parties involved and basically a very very bad idea! It is a product of dreams of some of the FOs around here but nothing real has been studied by the management. Some initial studies have been conducted and some provision is made regarding this in the training manual but thats it!
Anyway, what are you worried about. If you join now as an FO you should count on 6 years before even being regarded as a possible candidate. There are 500FOs waiting in front of you! Be realistic and do not fool yourself!
Fleet assignement is done based on previous experience and company requirement. In the near future more focus will be given again to the A320 fleet. (DEC A320 just started again last month) as this is the basic fleet overhere and the people in the office do realise the benefits of having a plan in place whereby everybody moves from A320 to A330 or 777!