British help British in Q.A
Guys this is a final warning
There is a lot of passion that goes with a lot of issues @ QA, but rants and insults have no place in the ME forum. You will earn lots more respect and put over your point of view better, if you stick to the facts and not throw personal insults.
This thread will be deleted if this continues.
EGGW
There is a lot of passion that goes with a lot of issues @ QA, but rants and insults have no place in the ME forum. You will earn lots more respect and put over your point of view better, if you stick to the facts and not throw personal insults.
This thread will be deleted if this continues.
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pofc and his mirrorimage
Also, their CAA ticket may allow them to calculate the circumference of the earth at a given latitude, but they still can't spell.
I'm from the UK but have lived in the US most of my life. All my flying has been conducted on the FAA ticket, even that done in the UK in 98. I left the UK when I was 8 and always wished I had stayed. But when I see the attitude of pofc and mirrorimage I'm even more embarrassed of the British than I am of the "ugly American".
Right now careers are awful. Jobs even worse. If you are lucky (or connected) enough to get a job there is no sense in denigrating others in order to pump up your weak self image.
Useful information helps. Snobbery does not.
(sure my spelling and grammar leave a lot to be desired, but I don't claim to be infallible)http://static.pprune.org/images/icons/laugh.gif
I'm from the UK but have lived in the US most of my life. All my flying has been conducted on the FAA ticket, even that done in the UK in 98. I left the UK when I was 8 and always wished I had stayed. But when I see the attitude of pofc and mirrorimage I'm even more embarrassed of the British than I am of the "ugly American".
Right now careers are awful. Jobs even worse. If you are lucky (or connected) enough to get a job there is no sense in denigrating others in order to pump up your weak self image.
Useful information helps. Snobbery does not.
(sure my spelling and grammar leave a lot to be desired, but I don't claim to be infallible)http://static.pprune.org/images/icons/laugh.gif
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To peterowensfanclub and mirrorimage
peterowensfanclub and mirrorimage, post no. 123 is for you, please follow the rules:
rants and insults have no place in the ME forum. You will earn lots more respect and put over your point of view better, if you stick to the facts and not throw personal insults.
Last edited by A330 man; 22nd Nov 2008 at 20:31. Reason: correcting the post number after some deletion by EGGW
Had a major clearout of the obvious wind ups and replies to those wind ups. Please realise that some will come in and yank your chains/wind you up, the mods, me and 4HPoler will try our best to manage this. Try not to post after a few beers(if thats your thing).
I haven't got time to edit every post on this thread, as its too long.
Also realise that DEC's are a feature of this part of the world, doesn't make it right, but it happens at EK, EY,QA and others.
Play nice, we are watching
EGGW
I haven't got time to edit every post on this thread, as its too long.
Also realise that DEC's are a feature of this part of the world, doesn't make it right, but it happens at EK, EY,QA and others.
Play nice, we are watching
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EGGW,
you are right. DEC hiring is a typical thing of the middle east and most of us do not mind at all, as long as it is done following certain rules!
EK: DEC hiring is heavily restricted and only done when needed badly. Very high experience is demanded from DECS so they actually bring extra experience to the company. Type rating and lots of flying hours demanded!
EY: DEC hiring is stopped so the FOs get a fair chance for an upgrade. Only DEC still considered are A320 drivers.
GF: DEC hiring very controversial and on very low numbers.
QR: More DEC than FO where hired over the last 3 years. TR and non TR DEC accepted. Minimum experience demanded. DEC going straight on the major fleets, leaving the A320 heavilly understaffed. Reason being that nobody wants to join QR on A320 so they have to lure them with a big shiny machine! FO upgrades almost nil due to non existant trng capacity or FOs to take their seats.
I joined myself as a DEC in QR, but I joined on the A300 fleet. I did my slave duty there for more than 3 years after which I was given a seat on a bigger machine. So I paid my dues!!!!
And I still think this way is the only honest way to do it!
Start on the base fleets and do as little damage as possible to the upgrade process for the FOs in the company.!!
you are right. DEC hiring is a typical thing of the middle east and most of us do not mind at all, as long as it is done following certain rules!
EK: DEC hiring is heavily restricted and only done when needed badly. Very high experience is demanded from DECS so they actually bring extra experience to the company. Type rating and lots of flying hours demanded!
EY: DEC hiring is stopped so the FOs get a fair chance for an upgrade. Only DEC still considered are A320 drivers.
GF: DEC hiring very controversial and on very low numbers.
QR: More DEC than FO where hired over the last 3 years. TR and non TR DEC accepted. Minimum experience demanded. DEC going straight on the major fleets, leaving the A320 heavilly understaffed. Reason being that nobody wants to join QR on A320 so they have to lure them with a big shiny machine! FO upgrades almost nil due to non existant trng capacity or FOs to take their seats.
I joined myself as a DEC in QR, but I joined on the A300 fleet. I did my slave duty there for more than 3 years after which I was given a seat on a bigger machine. So I paid my dues!!!!
And I still think this way is the only honest way to do it!
Start on the base fleets and do as little damage as possible to the upgrade process for the FOs in the company.!!
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Shneidertrophy, I think you have given a good indication to everyone that this scandalous practice of riding roughshod over both Captains and First Officers alike has been in force for a longer time than the present British Management has been in tenure. As you said, "QR: More DEC than FO where hired over the last 3 years."
I will reiterate the points that I, and others, have made in previous posts. This is not a forum to bash Nationalities and if it is, it should be moved to the 'Jet blast' section. I have seen so many rude, ill-informed, childish and badly written posts here that it has made me cringe.
ShneiderT, I too have been a victim of the same system you mentioned over the last 4 years. Seeing people go in as DEC onto the 330 over my head, but that was under Indian, Irish, and Arabic rule at the time. Realise this - This is the nature of the beast.
Do you think that Iron Mildew or Bully Warden worry about these comments, especially after getting thier monthly cheque? Do you think you are affecting the choice of unemployed British pilots to come here? No my friends, all you are doing is embarrassing yourselves and squabbling IN PUBLIC.
I totally agree that the present middle Management has not got a clue about CRM, but the upper Management must be laughing thier little Nylon socks off at this debacle. Divide et impera! That should be the real name of this thread .......
I will reiterate the points that I, and others, have made in previous posts. This is not a forum to bash Nationalities and if it is, it should be moved to the 'Jet blast' section. I have seen so many rude, ill-informed, childish and badly written posts here that it has made me cringe.
ShneiderT, I too have been a victim of the same system you mentioned over the last 4 years. Seeing people go in as DEC onto the 330 over my head, but that was under Indian, Irish, and Arabic rule at the time. Realise this - This is the nature of the beast.
Do you think that Iron Mildew or Bully Warden worry about these comments, especially after getting thier monthly cheque? Do you think you are affecting the choice of unemployed British pilots to come here? No my friends, all you are doing is embarrassing yourselves and squabbling IN PUBLIC.
I totally agree that the present middle Management has not got a clue about CRM, but the upper Management must be laughing thier little Nylon socks off at this debacle. Divide et impera! That should be the real name of this thread .......
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upper Management must be laughing thier little Nylon socks off at this debacle. Divide et impera!
If you join that evil system you perpetuate that evil system. Never to be changed from within, but ultimately and thankfully you can't stop what's coming.
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How insightful Propaganda, but you couldn't imagine just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
As a child the Catamite King was identified a megalomaniac, banished to the Sandpit to complete his evil training and then in 1997 handed the whip for an organization far beyond his level of competence.
As a child the Catamite King was identified a megalomaniac, banished to the Sandpit to complete his evil training and then in 1997 handed the whip for an organization far beyond his level of competence.
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IM is staying
It seems that I.M. was supported recently by a man called S.V.
(He runs an aviation consulting company out of the UK, is the private advisor to the CEO on most commercial and industrial decisions and who is the middleman between Airbus and QR).
S.V. could convince QA management to delay replacing I.M. with A.Q., allowing I.M. to stay as CPT.
All Pilots.....Brace, Brace, Brace……….
(He runs an aviation consulting company out of the UK, is the private advisor to the CEO on most commercial and industrial decisions and who is the middleman between Airbus and QR).
S.V. could convince QA management to delay replacing I.M. with A.Q., allowing I.M. to stay as CPT.
All Pilots.....Brace, Brace, Brace……….
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Smartpilot, maybe he changed and thus he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
So I deleted my post...
Whats the story now? Who is going and who is staying?
As far as I am concerned they should kick out BW as well. IM might not have done much, BW did a lot of damage!
So I deleted my post...
Whats the story now? Who is going and who is staying?
As far as I am concerned they should kick out BW as well. IM might not have done much, BW did a lot of damage!
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Happy 2 see such mature opinion sharing, I've deleted my post as well.
for now looks like we must wait & see and hope for the best, also agree about your last part of last post.
Except IM part
Happy 2 see such mature opinion sharing, I've deleted my post as well.
for now looks like we must wait & see and hope for the best, also agree about your last part of last post.
Except IM part
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IM is gone
This is what I heard lately, This guy is termaneted and transtion to the higher fleet is back to normal,from A320 to A330 to B777.
And A number of nonrated pilots that they were ready to join direct on B777 are on hold now until all the surplus pilots on A330 moved.The number around 40 pilots.
Also Qatar Airways is sending back 2 of the leased A330 this year.
Qatar Airways will for sure scale back the expantion for now or in the near future,then we will see cut down on our benfits or even income.
FLY SAFE and do not think about it.
And A number of nonrated pilots that they were ready to join direct on B777 are on hold now until all the surplus pilots on A330 moved.The number around 40 pilots.
Also Qatar Airways is sending back 2 of the leased A330 this year.
Qatar Airways will for sure scale back the expantion for now or in the near future,then we will see cut down on our benfits or even income.
FLY SAFE and do not think about it.
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IM still living in AKG Compound
I've just called his neighbour who lives in Ain Khalid Gate as well. And Idiot Milk is still there. No Packing for now.
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well, as far as I know, IM is staying on, maintaining the position of TRE/TRI. but removed from his former management post. to be taken over by A.Q.
ramiyns:
those 330 you speak of have always been scheduled to leave, as they are the lease aircraft and no longer required to re-new their services ( not to mention the worst aircraft on the fleet).
it is true that there will be more pilots moving from the 330 to the 777 in the first quater of 2009 ( no one has an exact figure ) and as far as scaling back, well this is a rumor, as there is no word or evidence of that whatsoever.
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ramiyns:
those 330 you speak of have always been scheduled to leave, as they are the lease aircraft and no longer required to re-new their services ( not to mention the worst aircraft on the fleet).
it is true that there will be more pilots moving from the 330 to the 777 in the first quater of 2009 ( no one has an exact figure ) and as far as scaling back, well this is a rumor, as there is no word or evidence of that whatsoever.
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A320 to A330 to B777?????
That sounds not very realistic, I am sorry to say so.
A320 to B777 is another possibility as far as I know.
I.M. still there, and still in his office ( at least today he was)
That sounds not very realistic, I am sorry to say so.
A320 to B777 is another possibility as far as I know.
I.M. still there, and still in his office ( at least today he was)
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Diect Entry Cap A320
Im shocked that nobody talks about direct entry Captains agains on the A320. One guy from UK(non typed rated) started today 10 more soon to come. Maybe this will get the A320 Captains moved up to something bigger and better.
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If this happens, it is good news for the 320 pilots and it seems fair for everyone.
Maybe QA is going back to the right track in the fleet transfer policy, let's wait and see.
Maybe QA is going back to the right track in the fleet transfer policy, let's wait and see.
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JJ, of course DEC on the 320 is fairer than on the 330 or 777 when not type rated.
No one said anything about stopping the command upgrade meanwhile, the 2 should go in parallel to cover the demand.
QA F/Os with the required hours should be selected for command, qualified captains will also be hired.
The problem is QA is not very attractive for type rated pilots, many non type rated captains join here just to get a better qualification, then our F/O's leave to get the command somewhere else forcing the company to delay the upgrades till hiring F/O's….. the cycle goes on, and I believe that is where the company should be looking to save big money.
No one said anything about stopping the command upgrade meanwhile, the 2 should go in parallel to cover the demand.
QA F/Os with the required hours should be selected for command, qualified captains will also be hired.
The problem is QA is not very attractive for type rated pilots, many non type rated captains join here just to get a better qualification, then our F/O's leave to get the command somewhere else forcing the company to delay the upgrades till hiring F/O's….. the cycle goes on, and I believe that is where the company should be looking to save big money.