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Ammen to that Knotaloud
But, it's just a dream and Knotaloud was suddenly awaken by the sound of a man yelling the call for "come to pray" at the mosque, over a microphone speaker system that was surely bought from a 1960's Woodstock auction sale.
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But, it's just a dream and Knotaloud was suddenly awaken by the sound of a man yelling the call for "come to pray" at the mosque, over a microphone speaker system that was surely bought from a 1960's Woodstock auction sale.
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Hey why don't you be a smart pilot and let your god take care of himself today. Surely, if he is real, he is strong enough to smite Captain Crunch!! I find it bewildering that followers of ALL religions are so paranoid, over sensitive and defensive of dieties supposedly omnipotent.
And are you suggesting that religion is not a significant issue for residents of the middle-east?
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An appropriate response to a stupid post by sp
And are you suggesting that religion is not a significant issue for residents of the middle-east?
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An appropriate response to a stupid post by sp
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I appreciate any comments to be civilized and polite like mine, this place is neither to discus political nor religious matters, my comment was mere social out of respect to the country we live in.
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Smartpilot, I like your mature and respectful reply. I wish we all take that line while in the "Mature Pilots" forums.
I don't think Capt crunch meant any harm with his post, it's just a personal expression to tell him "wake up".
I don't think Capt crunch meant any harm with his post, it's just a personal expression to tell him "wake up".
No need to judge anyone or call each other by nasty names.
Black Satin, I think knotaloud could answer for himself.
Smartpilot, thanks for considering the country you live in.
BlackSatin, thank you in advance for editing any insulting words.
Smartpilot, thanks for considering the country you live in.
BlackSatin, thank you in advance for editing any insulting words.
Have safe landings and a peaceful life.
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This is the other obvious problem in this airline.. nearly No One knows how to take a joke.. some are worse than others of course.
No Mr smartP I will not retract my JOKE.
to clarify, Mr SmartP.. the joke was about wakeing Knotaloud from he's dream.. (and what a dream it was).. with the noisy feed back and reverberation of an outdoor loud speaker system that resembles something from a woodstock concert.
( Woodstock was a music festival, billed as An Aquarian Exposition, held at Max Yasgur's 600 acre (2.4 km²; 240 ha) dairy farm in the rural town of Bethel, New York from August 15 to August 18, 1969.)
if everyone had a church bell ringing in their back yard and on every corner I would have surely made a comment that would have included reference to Quasimodo the hunchback of Notre Dame.
( The Hunchback of Notre Dame (French: Notre-Dame de Paris) is an 1831 French novel written by Victor Hugo. It is set in 1482 in Paris, in and around the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris. The book tells the story of a poor Gypsy girl (La Esmeralda) and a misshapen bell-ringer (Quasimodo) who was raised by the archdeacon.)
so much for the joke..
some peoples kids you just can't take out I guess.
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No Mr smartP I will not retract my JOKE.
to clarify, Mr SmartP.. the joke was about wakeing Knotaloud from he's dream.. (and what a dream it was
).. with the noisy feed back and reverberation of an outdoor loud speaker system that resembles something from a woodstock concert. ( Woodstock was a music festival, billed as An Aquarian Exposition, held at Max Yasgur's 600 acre (2.4 km²; 240 ha) dairy farm in the rural town of Bethel, New York from August 15 to August 18, 1969.)
if everyone had a church bell ringing in their back yard and on every corner I would have surely made a comment that would have included reference to Quasimodo the hunchback of Notre Dame.
( The Hunchback of Notre Dame (French: Notre-Dame de Paris) is an 1831 French novel written by Victor Hugo. It is set in 1482 in Paris, in and around the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris. The book tells the story of a poor Gypsy girl (La Esmeralda) and a misshapen bell-ringer (Quasimodo) who was raised by the archdeacon.)
so much for the joke..
some peoples kids you just can't take out I guess.
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It did not appear as a joke for me @ the beginning, but after you clarified it, can't stop laughing
so case is dismissed, back to the main concern.
Black Stain you are honoring my ignore list, no further comment
It did not appear as a joke for me @ the beginning, but after you clarified it, can't stop laughing
so case is dismissed, back to the main concern.
Black Stain you are honoring my ignore list, no further comment
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Thanks Crunch,
Woke up in time to make sign on but it was the hotel operator who did it. I'm so used to the local 'music' it wouldn't have worked anyway! And I was "dreaming the impossible dream" anyway. Good management.....indeed?
You're right about some people on prune with no sense of humour. After all, they binned Mr Ho, didn't they?
Woke up in time to make sign on but it was the hotel operator who did it. I'm so used to the local 'music' it wouldn't have worked anyway! And I was "dreaming the impossible dream" anyway. Good management.....indeed?
You're right about some people on prune with no sense of humour. After all, they binned Mr Ho, didn't they?
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Gentlemen, back to the subject of this forum…I will answer knotaloud's question in post # 102.
I will quote Airbus Master postas an answer:
Let me add: new disastrous rostering system.
Cancelling the Day off allowance during a layover, so you may get your days off during a long layover (away from home and family) to keep working for 2 weeks in a row.
Are these enough disasters in 11 months work ...or not?
just what has IM done? I can't think of one thing? Maybe I'm missing something here?
When the new British team come in taking everything for themselves there must be something wrong.
Do you need examples?
1- They are 320 pilots who refuse to help the shortage on the 320 and jump on the 330 asap.
2- They got what they want…but they banned the 320 pilots from moving up like them!!!
3- They want to change the license requirement to be a trainer in QA to be for the JAR compliant pilots only!! In other words…keep the non-Europeans out of training!
4- Held the planned salary increase last July (CEO initially approved it to attract more pilots) claiming that markets are going down and pilots will be available everywhere, but suddenly we are hiring most of UK XL airlines pilots (on 777) because we are short of pilots! Meanwhile they are both collecting a big fat cheque (more than A.J. who is their boss-on paper at least)
5-Ingoring the seniority on the airline, causing pilots to shop elsewhere (it looks like a plan to replace the current pilots by our ex-colleagues rather than add numbers to the force.
The list goes on.
Do you still wonder why they are hated around here? I guess you have to review most of the comments in this thread and other threads to realize it is a common feeling against 2 managers who managed to unite pilots against them in a very short time!! Read the comments of loc2550,smartpilot,shneidertrophy,a320man,a330man, p.clostermann,luluqatar,skya320 and others.
How come these 2 managers got a thread named after them? Check : http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/34...income-qr.html
Do you need examples?
1- They are 320 pilots who refuse to help the shortage on the 320 and jump on the 330 asap.
2- They got what they want…but they banned the 320 pilots from moving up like them!!!
3- They want to change the license requirement to be a trainer in QA to be for the JAR compliant pilots only!! In other words…keep the non-Europeans out of training!
4- Held the planned salary increase last July (CEO initially approved it to attract more pilots) claiming that markets are going down and pilots will be available everywhere, but suddenly we are hiring most of UK XL airlines pilots (on 777) because we are short of pilots! Meanwhile they are both collecting a big fat cheque (more than A.J. who is their boss-on paper at least)
5-Ingoring the seniority on the airline, causing pilots to shop elsewhere (it looks like a plan to replace the current pilots by our ex-colleagues rather than add numbers to the force.
The list goes on.
Do you still wonder why they are hated around here? I guess you have to review most of the comments in this thread and other threads to realize it is a common feeling against 2 managers who managed to unite pilots against them in a very short time!! Read the comments of loc2550,smartpilot,shneidertrophy,a320man,a330man, p.clostermann,luluqatar,skya320 and others.
How come these 2 managers got a thread named after them? Check : http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/34...income-qr.html
Cancelling the Day off allowance during a layover, so you may get your days off during a long layover (away from home and family) to keep working for 2 weeks in a row.
Are these enough disasters in 11 months work ...or not?
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Are you guys still here moaning about the British coming over and taking your jobs and ravaging your women with their jumped up (UK)JAR licences.
What a liberty, how dare they. It was much more effective as an airline with Indians running it at Bangalore bank clerk speed. (an official unit of measurment using the amount of paper shuffled in 1 day divided by the total work achieved in a day plus the number of head wobbles and false assurances an hour. Expressed forthwith as 1 Bangle.
1 bangle being equal to the square root of **** all.)
EG " hello Bimji, how much work have you done today on the rosters?"
" Oh dear me Pankash I am so exhausted i have achieved 6 bangles
I have shuffled until i can shuffle no more"
" Well done Bimji but dont wear yourself out there is plenty of time to
finish the rosters for December, its only the 5th of December now"
" Thank you for your concern Pankash. Anyway I must go and put
oil on my neck, I have a hard days head wobbling tomorrow"
Its about time you learned that eventually the British will always manage, the Germans do the rosters and the Swiss run the schedule.
It has always been so.Relax and enjoy
What a liberty, how dare they. It was much more effective as an airline with Indians running it at Bangalore bank clerk speed. (an official unit of measurment using the amount of paper shuffled in 1 day divided by the total work achieved in a day plus the number of head wobbles and false assurances an hour. Expressed forthwith as 1 Bangle.
1 bangle being equal to the square root of **** all.)
EG " hello Bimji, how much work have you done today on the rosters?"
" Oh dear me Pankash I am so exhausted i have achieved 6 bangles
I have shuffled until i can shuffle no more"
" Well done Bimji but dont wear yourself out there is plenty of time to
finish the rosters for December, its only the 5th of December now"
" Thank you for your concern Pankash. Anyway I must go and put
oil on my neck, I have a hard days head wobbling tomorrow"
Its about time you learned that eventually the British will always manage, the Germans do the rosters and the Swiss run the schedule.
It has always been so.Relax and enjoy
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but suddenly we are hiring most of UK XL airlines pilots (on 777) because we are short of pilots!
Please try be a bit more accurate befor you bash all the brits we are not all bad! Promise!
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The line you copied from my post was posted initially by AirbusMaster "note the blue background"
But let me ask you this, Does it really make a difference if the new Non Type Rated pilots are from ZOOM UK or XL UK or FUTURA Spain?
The fact is the new management hired them without any consideration to the QA 320 pilots who are on that type for years.
Another fact: around 70 applications from XL pilots were processed personally by Capt. IM then handed to Capt. BW for interview arrangement, so maybe your information is not that accurate.
Please don't take my comments as anti- British.
When you said:
I already know that, but what these 2 managers are doing is a disgrace –not only for the British- but for any manager in the industry.
But let me ask you this, Does it really make a difference if the new Non Type Rated pilots are from ZOOM UK or XL UK or FUTURA Spain?
The fact is the new management hired them without any consideration to the QA 320 pilots who are on that type for years.
Another fact: around 70 applications from XL pilots were processed personally by Capt. IM then handed to Capt. BW for interview arrangement, so maybe your information is not that accurate.
Please don't take my comments as anti- British.
When you said:
we are not all bad! Promise!
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Understand and take your point about A320 guys, however the guys who have joined on B777 from UK all have considerable B767,757 and B737NG experience on all types. Also doesn't help that there are not many jobs in Europe at the moment for boeing rated guys.
Don't worry us brits are all thick skinned! have to be when our football, rugby and cricket teams are so bad!
Understand and take your point about A320 guys, however the guys who have joined on B777 from UK all have considerable B767,757 and B737NG experience on all types. Also doesn't help that there are not many jobs in Europe at the moment for boeing rated guys.
Don't worry us brits are all thick skinned! have to be when our football, rugby and cricket teams are so bad!
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Well I for one have no problem with the guys from XL or Zoom with 767/757 experience flooding the place, after all they do need a job and have the medium haul Boeing experience. But I start to draw the line when the company starts hiring 737 types ( or less) as DEC, they did the same on the 330 at a few years ago and we seen and heard of all kinds of problems with regards to the difference in the type of flying. from narrow body light twin to heavy widebody long range ETOPs aircraft.. not smart and not safe... not to mention the eye to wheel high problems.. In the past we have had pilots of light twins who never left their home patch. to come and work here, some of which knew nothing of medium to long haul operations and some who have never experienced.. snow.. or monsoons.,. depending on where their patch was...
well i'm sure some of the light twin pilots may soon have a rebuttle, but the simple fact remains.. widebody long range experience differs from that of a light twin hop and pop type of flying.
in the meanwhile.. UK jocks, welcome to the sandtrap.. enjoy.. sorry for your timing with the newly appointed I.M. and B.W. no hard feelings from my side, after all, i'm glad i'm not flying the usual 90 to 100hrs per month with days off down route.. we need pilots.. for the time being you are it.
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well i'm sure some of the light twin pilots may soon have a rebuttle, but the simple fact remains.. widebody long range experience differs from that of a light twin hop and pop type of flying.
in the meanwhile.. UK jocks, welcome to the sandtrap.. enjoy.. sorry for your timing with the newly appointed I.M. and B.W. no hard feelings from my side, after all, i'm glad i'm not flying the usual 90 to 100hrs per month with days off down route.. we need pilots.. for the time being you are it.
Happiness is V2
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757/767 AND 737NG experience!!!!!
All very well boys but it still is all non type rated experience. Maybe the 767 guys could be considered for their long haul experience but all the rest for me should be put on the A320!
So what they have flown Boeing before? A 757 or 737NG does not have much in common with a new 777!
Besides that, on A320 we as well have many people with many years in the company AND with significant widebody/long haul experience!
No matter what you say, the whole DEC business on 777 is a disgrace and a slap in the face of many loyal QR pilots on both 320 and 330 fleets!
And as a DEC777 without previous experience you should be very well aware of this! No matter how you turn it around, you took somebody elses place and some people will not like you for that reason!
I know, its not your fault and a certain amount of blame should be put with the company, but at least you should be aware of the current atmosphere here!
By the way, they are looking for a deputy chief on 777. Anyone interested?
All very well boys but it still is all non type rated experience. Maybe the 767 guys could be considered for their long haul experience but all the rest for me should be put on the A320!
So what they have flown Boeing before? A 757 or 737NG does not have much in common with a new 777!
Besides that, on A320 we as well have many people with many years in the company AND with significant widebody/long haul experience!
No matter what you say, the whole DEC business on 777 is a disgrace and a slap in the face of many loyal QR pilots on both 320 and 330 fleets!
And as a DEC777 without previous experience you should be very well aware of this! No matter how you turn it around, you took somebody elses place and some people will not like you for that reason!
I know, its not your fault and a certain amount of blame should be put with the company, but at least you should be aware of the current atmosphere here!
By the way, they are looking for a deputy chief on 777. Anyone interested?
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I can't believe that you are already beginning to dislike certain characters because they are recruited to a certain fleet which is determined by the management! Highly unprofessional and a rather childish behaviour!
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well everyone is intiled to their own opinion of course, but I for one also realize, many years ago I was also hired on as a DEC in the early stages of the DEC trend here, since then there have been hundreds after me, so what is the difference my i ask.. is it the lure of that Boeing? not a very good fleet at this stage i might add. you want it so bad shneidertrophy there was a ACN a few months ago stating you can request for a fleet change. you should do so.
I can't help think, if you were indeed on the 777 fleet and they hired some DEC 320 or 330 pilots you would not be as loud about it.
meantime, everyone needs a job and this less than desirable airline needs pilots.. so I dont see the problem. Qatar Airlines is still flying, still finding new destinations, still buying new machines to dump fosil fuel on the planet and above all still paying me... sorry, i still but I dont see the problem.
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I can't help think, if you were indeed on the 777 fleet and they hired some DEC 320 or 330 pilots you would not be as loud about it.
meantime, everyone needs a job and this less than desirable airline needs pilots.. so I dont see the problem. Qatar Airlines is still flying, still finding new destinations, still buying new machines to dump fosil fuel on the planet and above all still paying me... sorry, i still but I dont see the problem.
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You dont see the problem?
OK, here we go again!
777 is a new fleet and a desirable typerating. It will be the best fleet in the airline in a couple of years.
In most major airlines you will see a certain career planning, which allows you to move from,usually, a smaller fleet to the bigger fleets. This keeps people motivated and happy. They start doing the hard work on e.g. an A320 and after a few years get a reward by moving up.
We have many many pilots on A320 (and as well on A330) that came here years ago with the hope of flying a different airplane after a while. Especially on A320 many people joined after they actually received a promise of a bigger airplane/different lifestyle after some years.
A320 lifestyle is HELL, but survivable if you have certain perspectives.
Untill 4 years ago, it was unthinkable one could join QR on the starfleet. When A320 started a DEC had to join on A300, when A330 started the DECs joined on A320 and when A340 started DECS where allowed on A330 with TR or on A320.
But the new fleets where kept for the pilots allready in this outfit as a form of motivation!
But now everything changed. People are frozen on their fleets while most DEC hiring happens on the brand new fleet in this airline, a fleet desired by many!
So YES, there is a problem Krunch! And a big one! Why would a newly hired DEC coming from a 737 get the privileges of flying the starship in this airline while a poor A320 captain who did his duty for 2 years on the slave fleet has to stay an undefined period longer there?
Let the new DECs fly the A320 and A330 for a while, let them suffer a couple of years before rewarding them!
Once more, DEC 777 with TR I see no problem with! We can all understand that! But like this no no NO.
And do not forget the general controversion of hiring DEC as well. What about the FOs who see their careers being blocked for a long time because of DEC hiring above them?
If you guys do not see the problem with these policies I would like to suggest you to think back a little in your past! Remember when you where an FO waiting for an upgrade? Remember when your current (previous) airline was still doing well and the 737 was the biggest airplane you had while you where flying the ATR or RJ? How would you have felt if DECs would have been allowed on the 737 than??
Stay loyal to your past!
Oh...you mentioned that you can request to change fleets..YEAH RIGHT! Have you tried that one yet? Myself I am on the good fleet but many of my friends did without a result!
Especially on a fleet like A320, short of 23 captains at the moment. Nobody will be allowed to go from there!
You must be very naive if you believe that ACN! Fleet transfers are done on company requirement, not on your demand!
OK, here we go again!
777 is a new fleet and a desirable typerating. It will be the best fleet in the airline in a couple of years.
In most major airlines you will see a certain career planning, which allows you to move from,usually, a smaller fleet to the bigger fleets. This keeps people motivated and happy. They start doing the hard work on e.g. an A320 and after a few years get a reward by moving up.
We have many many pilots on A320 (and as well on A330) that came here years ago with the hope of flying a different airplane after a while. Especially on A320 many people joined after they actually received a promise of a bigger airplane/different lifestyle after some years.
A320 lifestyle is HELL, but survivable if you have certain perspectives.
Untill 4 years ago, it was unthinkable one could join QR on the starfleet. When A320 started a DEC had to join on A300, when A330 started the DECs joined on A320 and when A340 started DECS where allowed on A330 with TR or on A320.
But the new fleets where kept for the pilots allready in this outfit as a form of motivation!
But now everything changed. People are frozen on their fleets while most DEC hiring happens on the brand new fleet in this airline, a fleet desired by many!
So YES, there is a problem Krunch! And a big one! Why would a newly hired DEC coming from a 737 get the privileges of flying the starship in this airline while a poor A320 captain who did his duty for 2 years on the slave fleet has to stay an undefined period longer there?
Let the new DECs fly the A320 and A330 for a while, let them suffer a couple of years before rewarding them!
Once more, DEC 777 with TR I see no problem with! We can all understand that! But like this no no NO.
And do not forget the general controversion of hiring DEC as well. What about the FOs who see their careers being blocked for a long time because of DEC hiring above them?
If you guys do not see the problem with these policies I would like to suggest you to think back a little in your past! Remember when you where an FO waiting for an upgrade? Remember when your current (previous) airline was still doing well and the 737 was the biggest airplane you had while you where flying the ATR or RJ? How would you have felt if DECs would have been allowed on the 737 than??
Stay loyal to your past!
Oh...you mentioned that you can request to change fleets..YEAH RIGHT! Have you tried that one yet? Myself I am on the good fleet but many of my friends did without a result!
Especially on a fleet like A320, short of 23 captains at the moment. Nobody will be allowed to go from there!
You must be very naive if you believe that ACN! Fleet transfers are done on company requirement, not on your demand!
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Absolutely spot on schneider. By all means employ rated 777 pilots on the fleet but placing 737 etc on that fleet to the detriment of the 320 guys already here is nothing short of criminal!
We have some clowns here who think that a wheel is different to a control stick and that it takes some kind of magic to change from one to the other and this is their spurious argument for giving 737/757/767 DEC's a start over 320 pilots already employed. PLEASE!
We have some clowns here who think that a wheel is different to a control stick and that it takes some kind of magic to change from one to the other and this is their spurious argument for giving 737/757/767 DEC's a start over 320 pilots already employed. PLEASE!