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Hi fellas:
don't get tired with the British , save energy for the Italians, they are also coming as direct entry TRE, with alot of experience, licenses, hours, lets eat fish ans chips and pasta together like brothers jejejeje.
don't get tired with the British , save energy for the Italians, they are also coming as direct entry TRE, with alot of experience, licenses, hours, lets eat fish ans chips and pasta together like brothers jejejeje.
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Smartpilot, that was a smart answer, I liked this part:
we're lucky in the 3rd world to still have jobs to accommodate the 1st world pilots, and we still have big tolerance and patience to be insulted from time to time
we're lucky in the 3rd world to still have jobs to accommodate the 1st world pilots, and we still have big tolerance and patience to be insulted from time to time
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The real Goat World is as Thylakoid stated.
A new Goat manager is appointed, he learns on day one that his dream job is actually very insecure. He will do as is told and alone will shoulder the blame for all previous incompetence when it happens, and surely it will, fingers crossed, after he is dismissed. All he can hope to achieve is short term personal profit and try to build long term favor amongst his compatriots whom he may have to work with again some day.
The only Goat manager without this hang-up is SSS. He doesn't need the money, does not accept the stress, does not fear dismissal and serves honestly because he loves flying. The chief seems to respect someone that cannot be intimidated? Is this not a great manager?
Goat Airways is structurally unsound at the top, always has been, always will, until the chief is replaced with someone other than a megalomaniac. Until that day most managers will either bend over with a thankyou, or take as much as possible, or both at the same time. Arab, Brittish, Yank, OZ, Malay, African..... all the same.
A new Goat manager is appointed, he learns on day one that his dream job is actually very insecure. He will do as is told and alone will shoulder the blame for all previous incompetence when it happens, and surely it will, fingers crossed, after he is dismissed. All he can hope to achieve is short term personal profit and try to build long term favor amongst his compatriots whom he may have to work with again some day.
The only Goat manager without this hang-up is SSS. He doesn't need the money, does not accept the stress, does not fear dismissal and serves honestly because he loves flying. The chief seems to respect someone that cannot be intimidated? Is this not a great manager?
Goat Airways is structurally unsound at the top, always has been, always will, until the chief is replaced with someone other than a megalomaniac. Until that day most managers will either bend over with a thankyou, or take as much as possible, or both at the same time. Arab, Brittish, Yank, OZ, Malay, African..... all the same.
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The tirade is always from the same names so loses a lot of its credibility. Lets be clear about this,the complaining against BW and IM coming here taking an immediate senior position is the same as the normal DEC scenario, QR always operates in this way half of you came straight in and took DEC jobs..its the same tactic just on a larger scale. Instead of straight in as senior management,guys came in straight in as captain...same. I was one,so not complaining just making the comparison. So dont be surprised,you cant complain about management coming straight in,yet accept capt's(DECs) coming straight in...these guys upset the line capts,the DECs upset the FOs....same system...so quit the surprised complaining.
The majority of QR pilots ae from the 3rd world,unacceptable to a lot of airlines...Latinos, Algerians etc...great guys but just not accepted as easily to the other companies in the area,and the UK/JAR management are always going to be in demand worldwide, any job offer will take a UK licensed guy over any one else, its just history...why for decades have the majors sent cadets to the UK...believe me I am JAR licensed but not UK and am now on contracts and the agencies admit any Uk JAR license takes preference.With the larger nos of UK guys on the market ive noticed the competition for good contracts increase,more brits taking the slots. So just accept it, still plenty of jobs for all of us,but they are still regarded as elite unfortunately. Feel sorry for the QR FOs I flew with, most I flew with had only the QR license current and unable to go elsewhere, the company has them by the b**lls with the large number of pilots on the market and DEC's.
The majority of QR pilots ae from the 3rd world,unacceptable to a lot of airlines...Latinos, Algerians etc...great guys but just not accepted as easily to the other companies in the area,and the UK/JAR management are always going to be in demand worldwide, any job offer will take a UK licensed guy over any one else, its just history...why for decades have the majors sent cadets to the UK...believe me I am JAR licensed but not UK and am now on contracts and the agencies admit any Uk JAR license takes preference.With the larger nos of UK guys on the market ive noticed the competition for good contracts increase,more brits taking the slots. So just accept it, still plenty of jobs for all of us,but they are still regarded as elite unfortunately. Feel sorry for the QR FOs I flew with, most I flew with had only the QR license current and unable to go elsewhere, the company has them by the b**lls with the large number of pilots on the market and DEC's.
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Vivace, nobody complain about BW and IM going straight over them to management position!!!! They /we are pissed because they come and F*&K everybody. While they and there friends enjoy the hollidays.
Dont get me wrong but TRUE leaders lead by example.
They do not reject a new pay package for the pilot while taken houndreds of thousands per month for themself.
They do not downgrade the working conditions of others while upgrading theirs.
In my book they are clowns thats it. They come, do there show take the max cash they can and go....
Dont get me wrong but TRUE leaders lead by example.
They do not reject a new pay package for the pilot while taken houndreds of thousands per month for themself.
They do not downgrade the working conditions of others while upgrading theirs.
In my book they are clowns thats it. They come, do there show take the max cash they can and go....
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Attention all QR drivers:
All of you are totally unqualified and losers, since the most qualified drivers in the world are jobless now this give them the right and pleasure to come screw all of you not just join and be thankful having a job, so you have only one choice shut up and watch, and appreciate that IM= (INDEED MESS) giving you the chance to stay in the company.
hope you liked this BUSHBOLOX & VIVACE
All of you are totally unqualified and losers, since the most qualified drivers in the world are jobless now this give them the right and pleasure to come screw all of you not just join and be thankful having a job, so you have only one choice shut up and watch, and appreciate that IM= (INDEED MESS) giving you the chance to stay in the company.
hope you liked this BUSHBOLOX & VIVACE
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What gets me is the utter stupidity of management. They hire guys who only know how to fail. I suppose they are no threat to present managers. We see it all through the mideast airlines. They last a year or so and then vanish,having done lots of harm. Why cant owners hire people from good well run companies? Thats what emirates did and reaped the results. Just because someone is on the market does not make them great. Hiring mangement losers from failed companies only increases the risk. Lots of ex BA coming on market, do you think they they let go of the best? Expect to see more losers in mid east companies in future. Most managers of failed companies only know how to fail,they do not learn.
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My money is in the bank on time all the time and has been that way for more than 3/4 of a decade now.. in fact i can only remember 2 times went I got paid a couple days late and that was due to a in house blunder which was corrected.
so for the time being I will just grin and bare it, until such a time as the pilot market flood gates open once again and I'll be gone in a flash like the rest..
Complaining about the infinite stupidity of our newly appointed management will only prove to shorten my life anyway..
them and that big white proverbial stallion they rode in on.
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so for the time being I will just grin and bare it, until such a time as the pilot market flood gates open once again and I'll be gone in a flash like the rest..
Complaining about the infinite stupidity of our newly appointed management will only prove to shorten my life anyway..
them and that big white proverbial stallion they rode in on.Posioned by Compromise
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rumor
A.J. and the rest of QA ops management are not happy with the poor job of I.M. and B.W. but currently B.W. is denying any knowledge of the "poor management decisions" previously taken.
B.W. says: I did not know about these decisions, or I did not sign anything like that.
Result: all the blame falls on the head of I.M. so he might be removed ALONE form the post.
Can anyone shed more light on this?
B.W. says: I did not know about these decisions, or I did not sign anything like that.
Result: all the blame falls on the head of I.M. so he might be removed ALONE form the post.
Can anyone shed more light on this?
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Looks like BW is smart enough to scarifies INEED MESS to last in his seat, and had a vision and plan since none of the dumb memos or decision were signed by him
, but he wont be able to denny awareness of part (A) revisions regarding the bond and fleet transfers
, but he wont be able to denny awareness of part (A) revisions regarding the bond and fleet transfers
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Great news, 3bthan and 300 man
We are counting down the days for IM to leave. I believe we never had such a mess and destruction in the flight ops and training department for a long time, hope the next manager will be able to reverse the damage as soon as possible, so QA will attract pilots who want to join and stay rather than come in to hunt type ratings and jump ship.
What about BW?
We are counting down the days for IM to leave. I believe we never had such a mess and destruction in the flight ops and training department for a long time, hope the next manager will be able to reverse the damage as soon as possible, so QA will attract pilots who want to join and stay rather than come in to hunt type ratings and jump ship.
What about BW?
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Er, I don't think I confirmed anything gents. Is that a typo in your post, 3bthan? No worries.
I hope things get better for everyone around here and it's not just aviation that is affected by the current economic climate. In fact, due to the lack of other logical choices at the moment, it is probably wise to follow Captain Krunch's lead and just sit tight and say nothing for a while.............see what happens. Now moreso than ever, the saying "biting the hand that feeds" springs to mind.
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I hope things get better for everyone around here and it's not just aviation that is affected by the current economic climate. In fact, due to the lack of other logical choices at the moment, it is probably wise to follow Captain Krunch's lead and just sit tight and say nothing for a while.............see what happens. Now moreso than ever, the saying "biting the hand that feeds" springs to mind.
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I.M. might being leaving on a Jet plane, but only to Bali again. Last I heard he is on an A330 TRE course, not a sign that he is on his way out. 
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Qatar Airways method of advancement:
Get yourself in a position for self serving.. and then help yourself, feast and take all you can while you can, and lets not forget to use the tools of nepotism to bring in all those friends and family members who have less experience then that of others, and give them all positions of higher being, wealth and prosperity.. do it quick old man because you won't last long here, but rest assured your wrath and devastation will stay around until the end of my time here.
I’m sure anyone who has been around here long enough would already realize, this is the Qatar Airways way. Seen it time and time again.
I.M and B.W. way of doing things is nothing new to QA. the pile smells the same, it just looks a bit different.
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Get yourself in a position for self serving.. and then help yourself, feast and take all you can while you can, and lets not forget to use the tools of nepotism to bring in all those friends and family members who have less experience then that of others, and give them all positions of higher being, wealth and prosperity.. do it quick old man because you won't last long here, but rest assured your wrath and devastation will stay around until the end of my time here.
I’m sure anyone who has been around here long enough would already realize, this is the Qatar Airways way. Seen it time and time again.
I.M and B.W. way of doing things is nothing new to QA. the pile smells the same, it just looks a bit different.
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well what do we all really expect. all the managers know they have a max of 2 years before they start the job, especially if they read pprune, re all the changes in management.
this only ever brings one conclusion to the people that get the jobs, so what do they do, well try to save money from there budgets, try to get short term fixes, so that they get there bonuses, make hay whilst the sun shines, get a pay off when they are fired, go home and get a proper job but with a nice fat pension earned in a fraction of the time.
if the at the top really new how to manage a business he would pick guys that knew there profession, where managerially qualified and allow these people to do the best job they could with no time limit, unless there was a real cock up.
look at the legacy carriers, it takes time, a whole lot of cash, and in the end recognizing what is important to your business, THE STAFF.
this carrier has the money but will never in a million years be the business it could be all cause of 1 mans vision on how to enslave the masses, ER BREAKING NEWS PAL IT DOESN'T WORK.
Honestly in the end i don't blame the guys brought in, cause they know what they have to do in a short period of time. could you honestly say if any of you guys were put in the same boat, would you not do the same. there are exceptions yes, and they have been noted, but most are in the same position as the guys we are all moaning about.
RANT over safe flying
this only ever brings one conclusion to the people that get the jobs, so what do they do, well try to save money from there budgets, try to get short term fixes, so that they get there bonuses, make hay whilst the sun shines, get a pay off when they are fired, go home and get a proper job but with a nice fat pension earned in a fraction of the time.
if the
at the top really new how to manage a business he would pick guys that knew there profession, where managerially qualified and allow these people to do the best job they could with no time limit, unless there was a real cock up.look at the legacy carriers, it takes time, a whole lot of cash, and in the end recognizing what is important to your business, THE STAFF.
this carrier has the money but will never in a million years be the business it could be all cause of 1 mans vision on how to enslave the masses, ER BREAKING NEWS PAL IT DOESN'T WORK.
Honestly in the end i don't blame the guys brought in, cause they know what they have to do in a short period of time. could you honestly say if any of you guys were put in the same boat, would you not do the same. there are exceptions yes, and they have been noted, but most are in the same position as the guys we are all moaning about.
RANT over safe flying
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I understand what you're saying, fatiqued-one. However, just what has IM done? I can't think of one thing? Maybe I'm missing something here? Anyway, he is gone according to the 'word'.
And as for the other one, I would guess he's on borrowed time but will do more damage before he's tossed out. That's the unfortunate thing.
What a good company this would be with a small amount of good management and some people willing to put the effort in.
Downroute dreaming..............................
And as for the other one, I would guess he's on borrowed time but will do more damage before he's tossed out. That's the unfortunate thing.
What a good company this would be with a small amount of good management and some people willing to put the effort in.
Downroute dreaming..............................