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As you are an expert on hating the British; do you have any better ideas? Also do you hate your wife, kids, dogs, .... people that are not the same colour? Those that seem to have advantages? The British do not look after each other in aviation; perhaps the ground staff? Go home and look. Kiss the maid and be happy.
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Stop whining and get back to work lazy swine, all things Goat are about to change. CP and CPT A320 are about to be axed and I want either job. Watch out! No more nice dog neither. You're here to work and sweat under the full moon you will. The chief is right, pilots are cheap, Nigel has many stiff friends 
But dont worry, I know how to fix the Nigels. If we all pull together, we can rip the rod from their robot ass and beat them with it
But dont worry, I know how to fix the Nigels. If we all pull together, we can rip the rod from their robot ass and beat them with it
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FYI half of my friends are from the UK,but when we are at the pub they also cretisize the unfiar policies of BW and IM.
When the new British team come in taking everything for themselves there must be something wrong.
When the new British team come in taking everything for themselves there must be something wrong.
Do you need examples?
1- They are 320 pilots who refuse to help the shortage on the 320 and jump on the 330 asap.
2- They got what they want…but they banned the 320 pilots from moving up like them!!!
3- They want to change the license requirement to be a trainer in QA to be for the JAR compliant pilots only!! In other words…keep the non-Europeans out of training!
4- Hold the planned salary increase last July (CEO initially approved it to attract more pilots) claiming that markets are going down and pilots will be available everywhere, but suddenly we are hiring most of UK XL airlines pilots (on 777) because we are short of pilots! Meanwhile they are both collecting a big fat checque (more than A.J. who is thier boss-on paper at least)
5-Ingoring the seniority on the airline, causing pilots to shop elsewhere (it looks like a plan to replace the current pilots by our ex-colleagues rather than add numbers to the force.
The list goes on.
1- They are 320 pilots who refuse to help the shortage on the 320 and jump on the 330 asap.
2- They got what they want…but they banned the 320 pilots from moving up like them!!!
3- They want to change the license requirement to be a trainer in QA to be for the JAR compliant pilots only!! In other words…keep the non-Europeans out of training!
4- Hold the planned salary increase last July (CEO initially approved it to attract more pilots) claiming that markets are going down and pilots will be available everywhere, but suddenly we are hiring most of UK XL airlines pilots (on 777) because we are short of pilots! Meanwhile they are both collecting a big fat checque (more than A.J. who is thier boss-on paper at least)
5-Ingoring the seniority on the airline, causing pilots to shop elsewhere (it looks like a plan to replace the current pilots by our ex-colleagues rather than add numbers to the force.
The list goes on.
Do you still wonder why they are hated around here? I guess you have to review most of the comments in this thread and other threads to realize it is a common feeling against 2 managers who managed to unite pilots against them in a very short time!! Read the comments of loc2550,smartpilot,shneidertrophy,a320man,a330man,p.closterm ann,luluqatar,skya320 and others.
How come these 2 managers got a thread named after them? Check : http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/348272-b-w-i-m-reducing-pilots-income-qr.html
How come these 2 managers got a thread named after them? Check : http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/348272-b-w-i-m-reducing-pilots-income-qr.html
To sum up, let me say that I like UK people, but I hate unfair managers even if they are from Mars!
I agree with you when you said ground staff help each other, that happens but they are not our bosses, they don't tamper with the seniority and prevent us from fleet transfer while get it to themselves and their friends under the name of "better standard".
I apologize, I could not hold my laugh.
The British do not look after each other in aviation;
I apologize, I could not hold my laugh.
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Well said AirbusMaster, I totally agree with your points mentioned above.
Smartpilot, it shows that you are not on the 320 as loc said, but let me add that you must be lucky enough to be out of the training department also.
People in training get stuck on their types, they see everyone else pass them to newer/better equipments with better life style along their career.
Example: I met yesterday a 320 instructor, he almost suffered a heart attack!!!
After four years on the 320 they have released him to the 330, but suddenly his roster was amended to show TBN instead!! no one called him, he doesn't know what is going on, he was physically talking to himself regretting that he did not resign the training earlier, he could have been on the 340 or 777 now. I believe he did submit a resignation from training yesterday.
I comforted him by explaining that he will enjoy his time as a line captain on the next type and he made a mistake when he stayed all these years in training, he should have enjoyed flying better types to better destination like all the others.
Especially now training will only let the 320 instructors stay forever on the 320 while flying minimum hours on the 330 just to keep it current!
People who stay in training department always regrets it later, even when there is a written policy, it changes overnight effective yesterday, so you cannot predict your future, so learn the lesson from IM and BW, grab what you can while you can!!
Smartpilot, it shows that you are not on the 320 as loc said, but let me add that you must be lucky enough to be out of the training department also.
People in training get stuck on their types, they see everyone else pass them to newer/better equipments with better life style along their career.
Example: I met yesterday a 320 instructor, he almost suffered a heart attack!!!
After four years on the 320 they have released him to the 330, but suddenly his roster was amended to show TBN instead!! no one called him, he doesn't know what is going on, he was physically talking to himself regretting that he did not resign the training earlier, he could have been on the 340 or 777 now. I believe he did submit a resignation from training yesterday.
I comforted him by explaining that he will enjoy his time as a line captain on the next type and he made a mistake when he stayed all these years in training, he should have enjoyed flying better types to better destination like all the others.
Especially now training will only let the 320 instructors stay forever on the 320 while flying minimum hours on the 330 just to keep it current!
People who stay in training department always regrets it later, even when there is a written policy, it changes overnight effective yesterday, so you cannot predict your future, so learn the lesson from IM and BW, grab what you can while you can!!
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AB Master, well Done and no single doubt in a single word you have said.
A330 Man, I feel very sorry for your 320 buddy, I was offered training on the 320 but I assumed i had a vision that this would be a long term relationship with the fleet, also wont be fun to work with the current training department management whether CPT or 320 DCPT.
Last but not least, in old days would be an achievement becoming instructor and means something but now a days people hardly walk by them self are instructors
A330 Man, I feel very sorry for your 320 buddy, I was offered training on the 320 but I assumed i had a vision that this would be a long term relationship with the fleet, also wont be fun to work with the current training department management whether CPT or 320 DCPT.
Last but not least, in old days would be an achievement becoming instructor and means something but now a days people hardly walk by them self are instructors
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Thank you. At least you admit you have British friends and as such must realise WE also disagree with the stupid, immoral and underhand aspects of the current 'British' management. I have worked for a number of Companies and have never seen such inept individuals.
My point is this; stop the racist remarks and concentrate on the real problem. The individuals concerned!
My point is this; stop the racist remarks and concentrate on the real problem. The individuals concerned!
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Racist is the most over used and abused word in the English language yet it is the non-English who use it the most and get very upset if they are ever accused of racism, after all, it is the White Man's burden, right?
Never come across so much racist rubbish in all my life as I see on this thread, grovel in it, revel in it, wallow in it if that makes you feel good but better still, have a good look at yourselves.
Never come across so much racist rubbish in all my life as I see on this thread, grovel in it, revel in it, wallow in it if that makes you feel good but better still, have a good look at yourselves.
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Are there any jobs left on the 777 or have they all been snapped up by the XL droves. I got my application in but not heard anything from Q but friends have told me all the XL lot have been snapped up within hours on account of the CP of XL being mates with the CP of Qatar!
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NoJoke, I am glad that we cleared it up, when I say the "British management" I only refer to the new managers without the need to spell out the names, I have no intention whatsoever to insult any specific nationality/race/faith…etc.
You share the same view against those inept individuals, so we have a mutual understanding.
From now on I will call them something else rather than the Brits…can you help me find a proper name …Can anyone suggest a non racist name?
Laurel and Hardy? Abbott and Castillo? The Belushi Brothers? Help me out here fellas.
You share the same view against those inept individuals, so we have a mutual understanding.
From now on I will call them something else rather than the Brits…can you help me find a proper name …Can anyone suggest a non racist name?
Laurel and Hardy? Abbott and Castillo? The Belushi Brothers? Help me out here fellas.
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the good fellas.....oh no wait, it refers to the movie of the same name hence the mafia......some might take it as british mafia....so never mind good fellas no good name
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suggested names for IM & BW
What about one of the next:
Batman & Robin
A team against the fairness!
Doctor Jekyll & Mr. Hyde
They say stuff and do the opposite.
Harvard & Yale
Both British!
King & Kong
Destroying everything standing on the way.
Marks & Spencer
The best tailors for Part A, amended to fit their size!
Mars & Jupiter
Hi Hi in the sky, unreachable by the public, you hear about them but never saw them close!
Peek & Boo
Scaring all the pilots with their decisions.
Salt & Pepper
Useful, but not when applied to an open wound.
Slice & Dice
They are slicing and dicing the 320 pilots in favor of the new joiners.
Starsky & Hutch
Cowboy style operations.
Ying & Yang
The 2 complete each other to perform a perfect circle.
Zig & Zag
They are not straight at all.
Batman & Robin
A team against the fairness!
Doctor Jekyll & Mr. Hyde
They say stuff and do the opposite.
Harvard & Yale
Both British!
King & Kong
Destroying everything standing on the way.
Marks & Spencer
The best tailors for Part A, amended to fit their size!
Mars & Jupiter
Hi Hi in the sky, unreachable by the public, you hear about them but never saw them close!
Peek & Boo
Scaring all the pilots with their decisions.
Salt & Pepper
Useful, but not when applied to an open wound.
Slice & Dice
They are slicing and dicing the 320 pilots in favor of the new joiners.
Starsky & Hutch
Cowboy style operations.
Ying & Yang
The 2 complete each other to perform a perfect circle.
Zig & Zag
They are not straight at all.
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James L . got promoted on 777 what a shame its only becaouse he is British or what ?
B.W took mine OFF day alowance without asking anyone .
P.M roster me like if am slave
I.M didnt do anything except enjoj Bali ....
B.W took mine OFF day alowance without asking anyone .
P.M roster me like if am slave
I.M didnt do anything except enjoj Bali ....
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Your language/attitude can be answered with 2 simple questions:
1-How would you feel if your XL airlines would hire new joiners over your head to fly the new 777 (if you had it) while you are watching? without respect for any kind of siniority?
2-If you were a first officer with QA airways for 6 years plus 2 years as 320captain, With excellent training history from Airbus and QA, should this be enough credential for you as individual to be promoted to the next type? or deserve to be blocked and watch people who think they are better than anyone else get the better types?
Please stop feeling like supermen, there are thoushands of great pilots all over the world who never flew in the UK.
P.S. one of our best trainers in QA is Croation without JAR license!!
Bushbolox, please ask yourself the same question below:
Your language/attitude can be answered with 2 simple questions:
1-How would you feel if your XL airlines would hire new joiners over your head to fly the new 777 (if you had it) while you are watching? without respect for any kind of siniority?
2-If you were a first officer with QA airways for 6 years plus 2 years as 320captain, With excellent training history from Airbus and QA, should this be enough credential for you as individual to be promoted to the next type? or deserve to be blocked and watch people who think they are better than anyone else get the better types?
Please stop feeling like supermen, there are thoushands of great pilots all over the world who never flew in the UK.
P.S. one of our best trainers in QA is Croation without JAR license!!
Bushbolox, please ask yourself the same question below:
Have you ever considered that you might not be as good as you think.
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Thanks ABM
ABM I am glad to see we are both on the same side. 
Bushibolox - I must agree with most of your points; However I would start piling up the sandbags!! 
Bushibolox - I must agree with most of your points; However I would start piling up the sandbags!!
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Mr Captain bushbolox
kindly hold your horses, no one is against XL highly qualified drivers, they are more welcomed to join QA than FlyDubai, but PART(A) to be respected, seniority to be respected, Logic to be followed, we still lucky in the 3rd world to still have jobs to accommodate the 1st world pilots, and we still have big tolerance and patience to be insulted from time to time being from the 3rd world with the dark skin, however now a days, I believe we should be called the 1st world since we have the job opportunity, fair life style and decent living.
@ the end if you read carefully most of the threads, we are not attacking nationalities, we are attacking the post and power abuse, not cause you are X high standard company as per your say it means you come and step on every body's nick, join, adapt and get familiar with the 3rd world then get upgraded, DO NOT USE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND FRIENDSHIP TO OVER RIDE & DESTROY ALL LAWS.
one more thing, most of us here even criticism some of our 3rd world drivers cause they deserve it.
hope that helped with a penny clarifying anything
kindly hold your horses, no one is against XL highly qualified drivers, they are more welcomed to join QA than FlyDubai, but PART(A) to be respected, seniority to be respected, Logic to be followed, we still lucky in the 3rd world to still have jobs to accommodate the 1st world pilots, and we still have big tolerance and patience to be insulted from time to time being from the 3rd world with the dark skin, however now a days, I believe we should be called the 1st world since we have the job opportunity, fair life style and decent living.
@ the end if you read carefully most of the threads, we are not attacking nationalities, we are attacking the post and power abuse, not cause you are X high standard company as per your say it means you come and step on every body's nick, join, adapt and get familiar with the 3rd world then get upgraded, DO NOT USE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND FRIENDSHIP TO OVER RIDE & DESTROY ALL LAWS.
one more thing, most of us here even criticism some of our 3rd world drivers cause they deserve it.
hope that helped with a penny clarifying anything