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Heard therz an initial list of in excess of 600 employees that might be sent on their 'merry way'. From what i can gather there will be redundancies in locals aswel as ther was an article in a rag regarding the GTU makin a fuss over the local layoff. Total figures mayb over a thousand across the board.
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IB, your post 4780. With respect, it is not about full loads. It is about getting the price right. Before I joined GF, I was working for a UK charter company & on pressing commercial, just before the Gulf war, I was told that we were making a profit of £1 per head on some Far East routes !That was based on a FULL load. The routes that you mention are "Eastern Labour Routes" where you will never be able to charge a max Revenue ticket price. You will, however, fill the aeroplane everytime. JH got it right with GF TRaveller where he cut out Business & First & concentrated on filling up with with Asian Labourers. Price was right. Other factors conspired to make the operation fail.
And Buba, the pink bit of paper & have your Work & Res Visa pulled with immediate effect is a classic GF thank you gift !
All of this terribly sad. 2013 is not going to be great for many of my dear colleagues. My hope is that out of the ashes, the phoenix will rise. Well, that's what I say to all the girls. Seasonal good wishes. Churlish, I know, but heartfelt.
And Buba, the pink bit of paper & have your Work & Res Visa pulled with immediate effect is a classic GF thank you gift !
All of this terribly sad. 2013 is not going to be great for many of my dear colleagues. My hope is that out of the ashes, the phoenix will rise. Well, that's what I say to all the girls. Seasonal good wishes. Churlish, I know, but heartfelt.
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With respect, it is not about full loads.
You are absolutely correct, however the knock-on effect of cancelling these particular routes could be devastating..remember these people are travelling from other GF cities, and connecting to home, the cost structure needs to be re-aligned to allow the fares to be profitable, all Gulf-based airlines serve the same markets, so adjusting the fares is out of the question, once one leaves the market, it is immediately swamped by the remaining carriers who can "afford" to operate those sectors...loyal passengers are few and far between here, it's all about connection, if you don't have them, you lose...
You are absolutely correct, however the knock-on effect of cancelling these particular routes could be devastating..remember these people are travelling from other GF cities, and connecting to home, the cost structure needs to be re-aligned to allow the fares to be profitable, all Gulf-based airlines serve the same markets, so adjusting the fares is out of the question, once one leaves the market, it is immediately swamped by the remaining carriers who can "afford" to operate those sectors...loyal passengers are few and far between here, it's all about connection, if you don't have them, you lose...
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Find it a wee bit bizzare the sectors being canned are the short/meduim haul to the contrary to what we been hearing a few months ago that its mnl/bkk/cdg/fra that might be suspended.
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From the sound of things, not a happy Thursday morning at the Pink Palace.
More people getting unhappy news this morning, including the current Embraer fleet pilots who have been notified that they are being let go.
Come Sunday, some Bahrainis will start getting bad news.
More people getting unhappy news this morning, including the current Embraer fleet pilots who have been notified that they are being let go.
Come Sunday, some Bahrainis will start getting bad news.
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IB, agreed. This being a "Pilots" forum, isn't it a great shame that we are not listened to more ? I missed the 'connection' part of the problem. Hubs & Feeders are all part of the issue which make the fare pricing rather diificult o get right. From other posts, no matter what we say or offer as solutions, GF looks like it is heading for unhappy personnel issues. Sadly, I have to say, I think that they are, finally getting to grips. An overstaffed company has to shed the weight. Hope GF are fair in doing so. That is the bit I doubt and will cause immense pain & suffering.
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More people getting unhappy news this morning, including the current Embraer fleet pilots who have been notified that they are being let go.
Not an appropriate thing to be blabbing all over a public forum is it??
Not an appropriate thing to be blabbing all over a public forum is it??
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Understandably, getting a bit fraught. IB is asked why he highlit something but responds by saying that he could not find the "quote thingy". So, he meant to highlight anyway (?). Aeroforce, this is a public RUMOURS & NEWS network for professional pilots and ANY info fitting that description has every right to be published here. Would you edit everything other than the good ? Place for you on the Board of IB(not Ironbutts but the owners of the PPrune Network Site who have agreed to be bullied into banning ALL discussion of a certain ME airline). Let's hear it all, good or bad but I agree with the owners, just be careful who you directly accuse of all sorts of nasties !
Slowjet, I agree with you & IB too. Pricing is an artform & I also missed the feeder & hub content of the problem. But, you seem to apologise to IB on my behalf. Thanks. We all need a deep breath & , as we say in London, a cuppa rosy !
I just posted , somewhere else, why are there TWO threads talking about the same thing; GF developments, embracing all...I think . I will not lose focus, I will not lose focus, I will not lose focus !
An Embraer pilot tells us he has not been given his marching orders. Have any others ? Are they expats ? Are they Locals ?
Aeroforce, do you see? By airing all this, we, on the outside, can get a view of what is going on & make employment decisions or even advise others as PJ heartfully, did.
Slowjet, I agree with you & IB too. Pricing is an artform & I also missed the feeder & hub content of the problem. But, you seem to apologise to IB on my behalf. Thanks. We all need a deep breath & , as we say in London, a cuppa rosy !
I just posted , somewhere else, why are there TWO threads talking about the same thing; GF developments, embracing all...I think . I will not lose focus, I will not lose focus, I will not lose focus !
An Embraer pilot tells us he has not been given his marching orders. Have any others ? Are they expats ? Are they Locals ?
Aeroforce, do you see? By airing all this, we, on the outside, can get a view of what is going on & make employment decisions or even advise others as PJ heartfully, did.
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Like I said on the other Gulf Air thread: let's keep the info in this one and stop posting in the other. All pilots on Embraer are currently expat except for one. There was a local captain as well but he got transferred back to Airbus yesterday. As for the others, no word yet and acc to management it will take another two weeks. It was specifically stated that IF there are redundancies the Embraer pilots will go first...as they don't have to repect the seniority list...
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Johny, it is not about seniority this time, it is about the rating. EMB pilots came here on 2yrs contracts, does their contract state that they will be transferred to Airbus fleet
Why now they need to sack people with ratings, even junior, and spend MONEY to give the Airbus ratings? But you never know, this is GF
Why now they need to sack people with ratings, even junior, and spend MONEY to give the Airbus ratings? But you never know, this is GF
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A serious question now: The airline is falling to pieces but regardless we ,at the sharp end must continue to do our jobs. But horror stories are emerging of people flying around with gear down up to 10000, circuits at 300 feet, getting lost in DXB. Don't get me wrong we all know the fault is at our management's feet but this is getting ridiculous. I never was 1 for a clean out in ops but I'm sorry they have all failed & it's time for them to be shown the door. I have never seen the standards in this once great airline drop so low-heads have to roll----basically OPS management have lost it & it's just a matter of time before there's a disaster. Time for Bahrain CAA to step in & do their job & stop the rot. Until then my famiy do not fly with GF. Proper management is due. Enough.
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Sadly awaiting a catastrophe here due to gross oversight by ALL Gulf Air management. We can't afford another GFA072. Time for the kids playing manager to leave the office & replacements found.
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Blsa - the fact is that the embraer pilots contract will finish by the end of this year. We were also told by the managment - (today is our acting CEO) that we would be transferred on the airbus or c-series if delivered.
It seem gulf air and Qatar just won and will be operating in Saudi Arabia now doing domestic flight - maybe this is our lifeline.
Gulf Air, Qatar Airways Win Saudi Domestic-Route Licenses - Bloomberg
It seem gulf air and Qatar just won and will be operating in Saudi Arabia now doing domestic flight - maybe this is our lifeline.
Gulf Air, Qatar Airways Win Saudi Domestic-Route Licenses - Bloomberg
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i wouldn't put most of the blame for those issues on the fleet office. I would say our training department has been on a consistent slide for some years now, starting form the top when CR left. These issues have been discussed before and will only get worse with the departure of senior expat trainers.
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Commercial used to come up with ridiculous demands.. Increase in flights, stations etc etc without lookin at crewing requirements, putting pressure on the operation side wich just past it onto planning and the end result is a considerable shafting. The whole system is at fault
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Look,
Here is the where I come down on this one. I personally know people who were made redundant earlier this week and also was posting what I had heard from people who I consider reliable. It is hard for them, will be hard to see friends leave Bahrain, and even I don't know what my long-term security is in this airline.
I wonder about people who get upset with rumours they read on a website which describes itself as a "rumour forum." If you want "official news", read Hello Gulf Air, or wait for the next pilot meeting, memo, or e-mail.
I left this forum a few years ago because I couldn't waste my time reading the bilge the usual suspects did. A few days ago I posted information which I considered accuate and of interest. More importantly, the intention was to be helpful. That is why I posted links to two companies nearby which are looking for Embraer pilots.
Whatever happens at Gulf Air on the weeks and months ahead, I hope that everybody ends up on their own two feet and I think that other companies will be happy to end up with the quality people we have here. Having been through a situation like this myself, I know it is stressful and I always appreciated knowing what was known at the time and what my options were.
Instead I have gotten some emotional and slightly nasty PM's, apparently from colleagues who are distressed by what I wrote. I reget causing that distress, it certainly is not my intent.
I think I will be taking an indefinate break from this forum. These are difficult times at Gulf Air and I hope everybody prospers.
Ma'a salaama.
Here is the where I come down on this one. I personally know people who were made redundant earlier this week and also was posting what I had heard from people who I consider reliable. It is hard for them, will be hard to see friends leave Bahrain, and even I don't know what my long-term security is in this airline.
I wonder about people who get upset with rumours they read on a website which describes itself as a "rumour forum." If you want "official news", read Hello Gulf Air, or wait for the next pilot meeting, memo, or e-mail.
I left this forum a few years ago because I couldn't waste my time reading the bilge the usual suspects did. A few days ago I posted information which I considered accuate and of interest. More importantly, the intention was to be helpful. That is why I posted links to two companies nearby which are looking for Embraer pilots.
Whatever happens at Gulf Air on the weeks and months ahead, I hope that everybody ends up on their own two feet and I think that other companies will be happy to end up with the quality people we have here. Having been through a situation like this myself, I know it is stressful and I always appreciated knowing what was known at the time and what my options were.
Instead I have gotten some emotional and slightly nasty PM's, apparently from colleagues who are distressed by what I wrote. I reget causing that distress, it certainly is not my intent.
I think I will be taking an indefinate break from this forum. These are difficult times at Gulf Air and I hope everybody prospers.
Ma'a salaama.