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Herd yesterday GF will hire more pilots 140 to 150... I dont know WHERE they will get them 
those are for the 14 acft for next year.... YES they are short 
those are for the 14 acft for next year.... YES they are short
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Hi Everyone
Im quite interested in joining GF on 320, rated etc. Can I please ask what is the actuall salary a new FO takes home? Also the housing allowance, is that enough for a descent place (say 1bd apt or similar).
I understand that the bond story for 320 newbies is pretty much confirmed, but is it deducted from the salary?
Also how frequently do these last moment leave cancellation occur - not ideal when planning your private life i guess...
Thanks!
Im quite interested in joining GF on 320, rated etc. Can I please ask what is the actuall salary a new FO takes home? Also the housing allowance, is that enough for a descent place (say 1bd apt or similar).
I understand that the bond story for 320 newbies is pretty much confirmed, but is it deducted from the salary?
Also how frequently do these last moment leave cancellation occur - not ideal when planning your private life i guess...
Thanks!
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"Dear Pilots,
I would like to extend my sincerest appreciation to all pilots for their hard work and dedication during the peak summer months and thereafter. Pilots were forced to give up their leave, their commitments to their families and some were asked to fly on days off in order to cover the shortage and continue the day to day operations of the airline. This kind of commitment is highly appreciated and will not go unnoticed".
So, as it didn´t go unnoticed, we will repeat the experience for November and December!
Thank you very much for the appreciation. Such a basic kind of introduction for a letter, seems to be written for kids.
"However, due to many contributory factors leading to the declining pilot numbers, we are forced to cancel pilots’ leaves"
Would you mind to enumerate which factors? Don´t worry we know better than you, but basically is a major luck of plannification, a poor managment with a null vision of what is going to happen in two weeks time.
All of a sudden: "We have a total of 32 training pilots on all the fleets and this number needs to be increased to 60" From one day to another they need to double the training pilots.
Of course, the prize for that effort: "Pilots who have dedicated their time and gone the extra mile to help the airline during this time of need will be considered for the selection process of training captains (SFI’s)".
Don´t worry guys, it would have been enough with a gold coin of chocolate.
The company is the one who has to help and support the pilots, it shouldn´t be the other way round, can you see that?
Always the same old story!
I would like to extend my sincerest appreciation to all pilots for their hard work and dedication during the peak summer months and thereafter. Pilots were forced to give up their leave, their commitments to their families and some were asked to fly on days off in order to cover the shortage and continue the day to day operations of the airline. This kind of commitment is highly appreciated and will not go unnoticed".
So, as it didn´t go unnoticed, we will repeat the experience for November and December!
Thank you very much for the appreciation. Such a basic kind of introduction for a letter, seems to be written for kids.
"However, due to many contributory factors leading to the declining pilot numbers, we are forced to cancel pilots’ leaves"
Would you mind to enumerate which factors? Don´t worry we know better than you, but basically is a major luck of plannification, a poor managment with a null vision of what is going to happen in two weeks time.
All of a sudden: "We have a total of 32 training pilots on all the fleets and this number needs to be increased to 60" From one day to another they need to double the training pilots.
Of course, the prize for that effort: "Pilots who have dedicated their time and gone the extra mile to help the airline during this time of need will be considered for the selection process of training captains (SFI’s)".
Don´t worry guys, it would have been enough with a gold coin of chocolate.
The company is the one who has to help and support the pilots, it shouldn´t be the other way round, can you see that?
Always the same old story!
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The s*** must really be hitting the fan, I've had so many missed calls from rostering that it's starting to get annoying. What with the cancelled leaves I am sure we can expect many disturbing calls from them. I guess managements continued screwing of pilots has not "and will not go unnoticed" and "due to many contributory factors" pilots will no longer go "the extra mile"
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Hmmm history repeating itself... I refer to my earlier post and a certain persons gross incompetence in the rostering department!
AND I HOPE OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT IS FINALLY GOING TO HOLD THIS SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE!
However, WE as pilots are also responsible for this mess! Over the years we've developed a certain company "loyalty/attitude" where pilots consider it perfectly acceptable to have their annual leave cancelled, get harrased on days off/leave days to come to work and other abuses (to many to list).
We can all stop this abuse here and now: just say NO, it's that easy.
Having our leave cancelled due to incompetence from our crewing management is UNACCEPTABLE and if we do not solve the problem for them, then maybe finally someone is going to be held ACCOUNTABLE!
Oh and if we do accept this, then we indirectly pay for their bonus with our annual leave. Think about it.
P.S.: Don't forget to submit your leave bids for 2012...
Hahahahahahahaha
Also they might have given a "few" more people the final little push they needed to go and look for greener pastures within an hour from BAH, making the boys at EK, EY and QR happy
AND I HOPE OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT IS FINALLY GOING TO HOLD THIS SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE!
However, WE as pilots are also responsible for this mess! Over the years we've developed a certain company "loyalty/attitude" where pilots consider it perfectly acceptable to have their annual leave cancelled, get harrased on days off/leave days to come to work and other abuses (to many to list).
We can all stop this abuse here and now: just say NO, it's that easy.
Having our leave cancelled due to incompetence from our crewing management is UNACCEPTABLE and if we do not solve the problem for them, then maybe finally someone is going to be held ACCOUNTABLE!
Oh and if we do accept this, then we indirectly pay for their bonus with our annual leave. Think about it.
P.S.: Don't forget to submit your leave bids for 2012...
Hahahahahahahaha
Also they might have given a "few" more people the final little push they needed to go and look for greener pastures within an hour from BAH, making the boys at EK, EY and QR happy
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Also they might have given a "few" more people the final little push they needed to go and look for greener pastures within an hour from BAH, making the boys at EK, EY and QR happy
Just remember that if you choose to go to "Teahid" you will have to adapt and learn not to post on PPRuNe.
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So how many volunteers do we have willing for fly on their days off or cancel their leaves(or it will be cancelled for you!) in Dec? Not many I would imagine;not with the way we, as a group, have been treated.
What would be nice & probably bordering professional is that if those responsible for the mess we are in are held accountable-but thats just a dream.
What would be nice & probably bordering professional is that if those responsible for the mess we are in are held accountable-but thats just a dream.
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At least they are asking. A leave day means different things to different people. Now if only we had a way to quantify what certain day off requests mean to people.
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Small point, but I wonder if anybody has thought just exactly how they are going to crew these new and interesring destinations.
On the plus side, 2012 should also be interesting with more destinations being rolled out, including some which most crews would consider attractive. Of course, I expect the usual contributors to find fault with something here on this thread. Stay tuned, folks.
