GF losing Omani pilots
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its confirmed nearly all resigning in time,the a340/330 guys as well once oman air recieves there 330s,me thinks next year...shame really nice guys..main reason like some body earlier on mentioned was planning,rostering and the decaying technical status of the a32o fleet..
i think a couple of bahrainis as well are leaving few to emirates and arabia..
i think a couple of bahrainis as well are leaving few to emirates and arabia..
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I reckon every effort is being made to NOT hire capts...see no sign of it so far, but we are still the only carrier here tht does not do so....
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Soon or later GF will hire DEC's, it is just a matter of time and forget what was said on previous pilots meeting about no DEC.
The situation is just different now than before, with flights departing with two captains, new SO/FO's are just dropping on line and now this number of resignation that will make effect on November-December...
All transfers and upgrades are stopped until October, only few FO's are under upgrade training from the +20 that made PAC's in last June-July.
For this year we have just the next two A319's to join the fleet so this do not make too much difference on my opinion but for 2010 we will see a bigger expansion...
Hopefully we will have enough new FO's to supply the demand otherwise DEC will be required for sure.
The situation is just different now than before, with flights departing with two captains, new SO/FO's are just dropping on line and now this number of resignation that will make effect on November-December...
All transfers and upgrades are stopped until October, only few FO's are under upgrade training from the +20 that made PAC's in last June-July.
For this year we have just the next two A319's to join the fleet so this do not make too much difference on my opinion but for 2010 we will see a bigger expansion...
Hopefully we will have enough new FO's to supply the demand otherwise DEC will be required for sure.
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well most of the guys who left have been in bah for atleast over 10 years, and being away from home yet home is only an hour flight is abit frustrating.. i'm sure everyone of them have great memories and will always relate to GF but if you get a chance to go back for almost the same pay and a seriouse plan for the airline to expand then why not being part of it and do it for our country....
it was easier back then when there were lots of flight to MCT.. and as well lots of lay overs in MCT, but with GF being owned by BAH obviously all of that had to stop and consequently we have to make a sad decision and go back home and support WY.
on the other hand most of the guys ex 767 who were told they will be on the 320 didnt like the idea, and the guys already on the 320 with this new planning (rostering only tries to fix planning's mistake) had enough of the up and down and min rest everywhere..
about myself i have no intention of leaving but its sad to see some of my friends leaving and other good guys as well...
it was easier back then when there were lots of flight to MCT.. and as well lots of lay overs in MCT, but with GF being owned by BAH obviously all of that had to stop and consequently we have to make a sad decision and go back home and support WY.
on the other hand most of the guys ex 767 who were told they will be on the 320 didnt like the idea, and the guys already on the 320 with this new planning (rostering only tries to fix planning's mistake) had enough of the up and down and min rest everywhere..
about myself i have no intention of leaving but its sad to see some of my friends leaving and other good guys as well...
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i would say fair enough, Carioca733. you gotta do what's best for yourself, first and foremost.
it was good of gf to see the writing on the wall regarding you guys (sarcasm). i can see them trying to revamp the conditions just for the omanis (not). this whole bahrainisation thing is costing the company good pilots and ushering in a generation of wet-behind-the-ears fledglings which will be great for the core of experience (again, sarcasm).
in addition to departing omanis, disgruntled experienced f/os, and even locals, all that gf needs now is an exodus of instructors and that will bring everything to a grinding halt. after the lies endured by the instructors, i wouldn't be surprised if that's the next thing.
i can see gf (as always) meeting those problems (all problems) when they happen rather than nipping them in the butt and preventing them.
is there anyone there who has foresight?
it was good of gf to see the writing on the wall regarding you guys (sarcasm). i can see them trying to revamp the conditions just for the omanis (not). this whole bahrainisation thing is costing the company good pilots and ushering in a generation of wet-behind-the-ears fledglings which will be great for the core of experience (again, sarcasm).
in addition to departing omanis, disgruntled experienced f/os, and even locals, all that gf needs now is an exodus of instructors and that will bring everything to a grinding halt. after the lies endured by the instructors, i wouldn't be surprised if that's the next thing.
i can see gf (as always) meeting those problems (all problems) when they happen rather than nipping them in the butt and preventing them.
is there anyone there who has foresight?
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Provided GF has enough 2-3 year FO's who came with some experience it should not be an issue. Last I saw (from a friend still at GF) there are about 70 FO's with 3 years plus time at GF (less a handful of career FO's). Each year that passes with less than 70 upgrades means there is always at least some supply of guys that should be upgradeable.
So the issue is in how fast aircraft are arriving. If each a/c requires 5 or 6 captains that means it would take well over 10 new aircraft in one year to start depleting the available FO's to a critical level.
...of course, this assumes no one is leaving in large numbers
I would guess that CC will be able to keep his word.
So the issue is in how fast aircraft are arriving. If each a/c requires 5 or 6 captains that means it would take well over 10 new aircraft in one year to start depleting the available FO's to a critical level.
...of course, this assumes no one is leaving in large numbers
I would guess that CC will be able to keep his word.
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40&80,
Just wondering, did those two widows eventually get their husbands entitlements? If so, how long did it take? And if Rad's widow hadn't fought for hers, how much longer will it take after a year? I'm wondering if GF is doing all this on purpose or simply entanglement in red tape? Maybe a more efficient procedure should be in place to deal with this problem in the future.
Just wondering, did those two widows eventually get their husbands entitlements? If so, how long did it take? And if Rad's widow hadn't fought for hers, how much longer will it take after a year? I'm wondering if GF is doing all this on purpose or simply entanglement in red tape? Maybe a more efficient procedure should be in place to deal with this problem in the future.
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Curious
It seems amazing whenever any Thread receives posts re the Rad Gammage debacle, the threads tend to tail off and end with with no positive contributions.
May I suggest it would be in the interests of anybody remaining in GF employment and anybody considering joining to establish their entitlements and procedures to obtain them should similar events befall them.
It is one year, on the !0th September since Rad passed on. Still no conclusion to his affairs. He is no doubt, rightly, looking down in disgust.
May I suggest it would be in the interests of anybody remaining in GF employment and anybody considering joining to establish their entitlements and procedures to obtain them should similar events befall them.
It is one year, on the !0th September since Rad passed on. Still no conclusion to his affairs. He is no doubt, rightly, looking down in disgust.
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ok let me end this
15 to 25 omanis leaving
5 to 15 bahrainis leaving too (even locals are not immune to exoduses)
20 decs on the big busses coming soon (late next year?)
resulting in 30 to 50 first officers resigning.
shall we call it quits then? unless others want to elaborate.
15 to 25 omanis leaving
5 to 15 bahrainis leaving too (even locals are not immune to exoduses)
20 decs on the big busses coming soon (late next year?)
resulting in 30 to 50 first officers resigning.
shall we call it quits then? unless others want to elaborate.
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yea my new roster sucks!
may be i should swap with sale
and by the way cabin crew have no nightstops for them in india everything is a turnaround! flightdeck get off and the rest continue...nice one naf and cain...
may be i should swap with saleand by the way cabin crew have no nightstops for them in india everything is a turnaround! flightdeck get off and the rest continue...nice one naf and cain...
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I am a bit lost on the DEC thing. It would seem to me that there are a good number of F/O's that have been there awhile and stuck with GF through all this crap the last few years. I know at least a few of them personally and all are qualified and experienced enough for an upgrade. What benefit is it to the company to hire DEC's at this point if they have enough suitable F/O's for upgrade?
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Haven't seen any evidence of DEC's as of yet..sure it has crossed their minds, as it is common practice here in the Gulf, but as of yet havent seen it happening, however if the senior, qualified f.o.'s resign then what are they supposed to do?? Right now, they are feverishly trying to bring the 320 up to appropriate levels, so the fleet transfers to the widebody can resume, and the commands are in full swing..when the bus-let is staffed sufficiently, then the widebody transfers will resume...
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There is a lot of command upgrades from the big busses to the buslets(
@ib57) at the moment. But probably not enough evidenced by current rostering.
New Captains normally require a specified time on the 320 fleet before moving up a fleet(right?).
With more buslets coming (this year and next), there will be need and pressure to keep those captains where they are.
Meanwhile, big busses arrive next year and continueing for the next 3-4 years. There will not enough drivers to fly them because if GF continuely moves captains up from the 320s, eventually all the 320 captains will be blueliners. Not ideal.
I think there might be a need to upgrade 'any' First Officer who meets command requirements, regardless of where they are on the seniority. All of these guys will be on the 320s.
When these guys are depleted, that's the point where I think GF will bring in DECs for the 330/340s.
@ib57) at the moment. But probably not enough evidenced by current rostering.New Captains normally require a specified time on the 320 fleet before moving up a fleet(right?).
With more buslets coming (this year and next), there will be need and pressure to keep those captains where they are.
Meanwhile, big busses arrive next year and continueing for the next 3-4 years. There will not enough drivers to fly them because if GF continuely moves captains up from the 320s, eventually all the 320 captains will be blueliners. Not ideal.
I think there might be a need to upgrade 'any' First Officer who meets command requirements, regardless of where they are on the seniority. All of these guys will be on the 320s.
When these guys are depleted, that's the point where I think GF will bring in DECs for the 330/340s.
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Meanwhile, big busses arrive next year and continueing for the next 3-4 years.
Here's my take, 2 leased A-319s arriving pretty soon, EO, EP, ER will have to be put out of their misery (shot perhaps or put out to pasture) which leaves us with one new 320 arriving this year....result, fleet size = the same + two more of RJ's finest. I'm probably wong, but it sure looks that way.
Fruit for thought perhaps...
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Great way to get pilots, Mailbag....through jealousies. By the way, Oman used to be a partner with GF so that's got to count for something as far as seniority goes. It is not their fault that Oman wanted out. Definitely not 'unearned' as you put it. I certainly hope you get pushed back down the list because you are not doing the pilot group any favours.
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Hey Mail Bag! I agree about one or two who already joined are below standard but they made it into oman air which means they are safe enough and have acceptable standard how ever the next batch to join, certainly have high standards. and they dont need to jump on to 330 as they are already living in them so wether you like it or not,they will continue flying the bigger bus even in Oman Air.Have a safe one in your little ATR.
