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real rough munbers for this year 250K/year min for a townhouse( 2-3) style villa 275K next year , car/truck 75/150K, school 40/60 ele/scdn, food 5-10k/month, water and elec dont know but i think there has been a big increase. The only thing thats cheap is car insurance 3-4k /y
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From: The Palm
alpha474, why start a new thread when there is another one about FlyDubai on roughly the same subject? Mr Moderator could you turn these threads into a "FlyDubai - All you need to know"? Thank you.
flydubai : Our People : Pilot recruitment information
flydubai : Our People : Pilot recruitment information
Variable Pay:
Callout Pay - If you work on a non-rostered day, you shall receive an additional AED 350 per day.
Flying Pay - You shall receive an additional AED 150 for every block-flying hour you work.
* Whilst initially flying hours will be variable and less frequent as the airline establishes itself, once in full operation it is expected that pilots will be working approximately 80 block-flying hours per month.
Bond - You will be contractually tied to flydubai with a training bond of US$ 24,000 for a period of 36 months.
Location - All employees are permanently based in Dubai, one of the world's most dynamic cities.
Medical/Dental Insurance - Free private health insurance for yourself and subsidised cover for your spouse and up to three children.
Employee Insurance Benefits - The insurance benefits for our pilots include Loss of License cover up to AED 1,000,000 and Life and Accident cover up to AED 1,200,000.
Annual Leave - 42 calendar days per year.
Annual Leave Ticket - You shall receive a free confirmed economy class ticket for yourself, spouse and up to 3 children to your annual leave destination (which shall be confirmed during the selection process).
End of Service Benefit - The end of service benefit is as per the UAE's labour law, which entitles you to the following:
1-5 years service, you receive 21 days basic salary for each completed year of employment.
5+ years service you receive 30 days basic salary for each completed year of employment.
Children's Educational Support - Applicable for a maximum of three children aged between 4 - 18 years, in full-time education. For primary schooling, you shall receive a reimbursement up to the value of AED 30,000 per annum. Secondary schooling is reimbursable up to the value of AED 45,000 per annum.
Callout Pay - If you work on a non-rostered day, you shall receive an additional AED 350 per day.
Flying Pay - You shall receive an additional AED 150 for every block-flying hour you work.
* Whilst initially flying hours will be variable and less frequent as the airline establishes itself, once in full operation it is expected that pilots will be working approximately 80 block-flying hours per month.
Bond - You will be contractually tied to flydubai with a training bond of US$ 24,000 for a period of 36 months.
Location - All employees are permanently based in Dubai, one of the world's most dynamic cities.
Medical/Dental Insurance - Free private health insurance for yourself and subsidised cover for your spouse and up to three children.
Employee Insurance Benefits - The insurance benefits for our pilots include Loss of License cover up to AED 1,000,000 and Life and Accident cover up to AED 1,200,000.
Annual Leave - 42 calendar days per year.
Annual Leave Ticket - You shall receive a free confirmed economy class ticket for yourself, spouse and up to 3 children to your annual leave destination (which shall be confirmed during the selection process).
End of Service Benefit - The end of service benefit is as per the UAE's labour law, which entitles you to the following:
1-5 years service, you receive 21 days basic salary for each completed year of employment.
5+ years service you receive 30 days basic salary for each completed year of employment.
Children's Educational Support - Applicable for a maximum of three children aged between 4 - 18 years, in full-time education. For primary schooling, you shall receive a reimbursement up to the value of AED 30,000 per annum. Secondary schooling is reimbursable up to the value of AED 45,000 per annum.
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
I would be very wary of coming here without company accommodation provided. Even if you budget on the figures being bandied around (and 20k rent, 5k utilities a month is probably fair) for THIS year, rents have skyrocketed year on year, and there is no guarantee allowances will keep pace. Imagine being here, bonded, having moved the family, then finding you can't afford to live because the rent has doubled
Most companies employing expats in the UAE either provide housing, or a MUCH bigger allowance than that.
Most companies employing expats in the UAE either provide housing, or a MUCH bigger allowance than that.
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Why is Fly Dubai captain on a higher housing allowance than an EK skipper?
Why is a Flydubai Captain on a lower salary?
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From: Adrift upon the tides of fate
Bond
Something not mentioned so far is an accomm bond. To my mind, that would be a big issue. Bonds can be 6 months rent, in advance. Thats a fair chunk of change (without any company support). Anyone comment?
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From: Thinking about it, give me a minute.
Rent
You're doing well if you secure housing with only 6 months advance. More often it's 12 months in advance and no way of getting your money back if everything goes pear shaped for you. Add to that the 'agent' you use will probably be looking at anything up to 10% commission for 'finding' you the right place!
Would be surprised though if there was no company support at the very least many give their employees an interest free 'advance' to pay upfront for accommodation, monthly amount then taken directly from your pay packet. Still offers you no protection if everything goes pear shaped as your company will then take every Dirham back that you owe them before they give you the permission to leave! (be careful here as the agreement is between you and the provider of the accommodation and not between your employer and the provider, your employer will chase you for repayment) either way the owner of the accommodation normally laughs all the way to the bank, again and again and again!
'rock and a hard place' comes to mind!
Only way out of it is to join a carrier that supplies 'tied' accommodation. I believe Etihad are developing a huge employee village just minutes ffrom their new HQ in AUH.
Would be surprised though if there was no company support at the very least many give their employees an interest free 'advance' to pay upfront for accommodation, monthly amount then taken directly from your pay packet. Still offers you no protection if everything goes pear shaped as your company will then take every Dirham back that you owe them before they give you the permission to leave! (be careful here as the agreement is between you and the provider of the accommodation and not between your employer and the provider, your employer will chase you for repayment) either way the owner of the accommodation normally laughs all the way to the bank, again and again and again!
'rock and a hard place' comes to mind!
Only way out of it is to join a carrier that supplies 'tied' accommodation. I believe Etihad are developing a huge employee village just minutes ffrom their new HQ in AUH.
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From: Land of the midnight sun
Good day all,
Just wondering if anyone could shed any light on why they want type rated pilots to sign a bond? Correct me if i'm out in left field, but normally bonds are for those who are non rated on type...
Cheers
Just wondering if anyone could shed any light on why they want type rated pilots to sign a bond? Correct me if i'm out in left field, but normally bonds are for those who are non rated on type...
Cheers
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From: Dohacity
welcome to the Middle East mate.
I guess the bond will be to cover the cost to convert your licence to one acceptable by the local authorities....thats the official version.
Unofficially ...... the best way to keep you bonded to the company/region
My idea....dont come to the M.E. if the company does not provide you with housing. The market is unstable, unorganised and lawless as far as expats are concerned. You do not want to venture too deep into such an adventure.
All airlines provide housing (even QR).....ask for it!
I guess the bond will be to cover the cost to convert your licence to one acceptable by the local authorities....thats the official version.
Unofficially ...... the best way to keep you bonded to the company/region
My idea....dont come to the M.E. if the company does not provide you with housing. The market is unstable, unorganised and lawless as far as expats are concerned. You do not want to venture too deep into such an adventure.
All airlines provide housing (even QR).....ask for it!
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From: Italy
This is what I found tonight
Pilot Job Details
B737 First Officers Job - Flydubai
Ref: : airlinepilots (Flydubai)
Location: Dubai - United Arab Emirates
Pay: Pay details on application
Job Status: Permanent
Flydubai, the world’s newest and most exciting airline is looking for experienced pilots to fly our modern fleet of Next-Generation Boeing passenger jets.
Based in Dubai, Flydubai has announced an historic order for 54 737-800 NG aircraft from Boeing. This is the largest single order by a Gulf based low cost carrier for Boeing aircraft, and is valued at approximately US$4 billion. Flydubai will receive its first aircraft early next year and will commence commercial operations shortly after.
We immediately seek type rated Captains and are soliciting interest of First Officers to operate our brand new fleet flying to high demand destinations in the Middle East, Europe, Africa and the Asian Sub-continent.
In addition to a competitive tax-free salary and the opportunity to live in one of the world's most dynamic cities, we also offer a comprehensive benefits package that includes a housing & transport allowance, private health care, life insurance, educational support for your children and various other benefits associated with an airline.
First Officers are required to have a minimum of 2500 total hours, 500 hours of which must be PIC on aircraft types in excess of 10 tonnes. A B737 rating is strongly preferred.
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B737 First Officers Job - Flydubai
Ref: : airlinepilots (Flydubai)
Location: Dubai - United Arab Emirates
Pay: Pay details on application
Job Status: Permanent
Flydubai, the world’s newest and most exciting airline is looking for experienced pilots to fly our modern fleet of Next-Generation Boeing passenger jets.
Based in Dubai, Flydubai has announced an historic order for 54 737-800 NG aircraft from Boeing. This is the largest single order by a Gulf based low cost carrier for Boeing aircraft, and is valued at approximately US$4 billion. Flydubai will receive its first aircraft early next year and will commence commercial operations shortly after.
We immediately seek type rated Captains and are soliciting interest of First Officers to operate our brand new fleet flying to high demand destinations in the Middle East, Europe, Africa and the Asian Sub-continent.
In addition to a competitive tax-free salary and the opportunity to live in one of the world's most dynamic cities, we also offer a comprehensive benefits package that includes a housing & transport allowance, private health care, life insurance, educational support for your children and various other benefits associated with an airline.
First Officers are required to have a minimum of 2500 total hours, 500 hours of which must be PIC on aircraft types in excess of 10 tonnes. A B737 rating is strongly preferred.
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From: Over here & there
As most of you have rightly stated that even though 57,000 AED seems like a lot of money on paper, it may not be sufficient enough to make someone move to Dubai. The key point is the housing allowance given in lieu of company provided accomodations. The allowance will not cover the cost of housing and also mentioned was the advance rent payment of 6-12 months. The educational allowance will of AED 30,000 will barely cover the cost of 1 kid. If you have more than 1 kid then it is all out of pocket.
They also only give you a transport allowance which implies you drive yourself to work as well.
Thus you will spend most of your base salary paying for the shortcomings of the allowance provided with little left over.
Oman Air might be a better choice based on reports in the field as regards to NG slots.
They also only give you a transport allowance which implies you drive yourself to work as well.
Thus you will spend most of your base salary paying for the shortcomings of the allowance provided with little left over.Oman Air might be a better choice based on reports in the field as regards to NG slots.
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From: America
Cashing the Housing Allowance?
Is it a common practice for pilots in EK/Air Arabia/FlyDubai (either legal or at least possible) to cash the housing allowance while actually staying at a friend's company accomodation?
...or do you have to somehow demonstrate the airline that you are indeed expending the allowance in a rent?
Many thanks!
...or do you have to somehow demonstrate the airline that you are indeed expending the allowance in a rent?
Many thanks!
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
The educational allowance will of AED 30,000 will barely cover the cost of 1 kid. If you have more than 1 kid then it is all out of pocket.
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From: Over here & there
If the educational allowance is AED 30,000 per child, upto 3 children then it is perfectly ok as most schools are charging somewhere in that range.
As far as housing goes, has anyone flying for EK etc tried living in Sharjah and commuted? I gather rents are cheaper there but the traffic is a
In fairness to the airlines, allowances are meant to subsidize your expenditures out of pocket but not necessarily eliminate them. In a perfect situation they would though and you would live and send your kids to school for free. No U.S. airline I know of helps you with housing or schools. So if you live in San Francisco where the rents are highly inflated as well, you are on your own. Your choice to live there.
On a different note, anyone at EK from the States try to ship their cars to the UAE? How difficult is it and what are the costs? It might be a cheaper option than having to buy one in country.
FlyDubai screening I expect will be the Emirates interview process?
As far as housing goes, has anyone flying for EK etc tried living in Sharjah and commuted? I gather rents are cheaper there but the traffic is a
In fairness to the airlines, allowances are meant to subsidize your expenditures out of pocket but not necessarily eliminate them. In a perfect situation they would though and you would live and send your kids to school for free. No U.S. airline I know of helps you with housing or schools. So if you live in San Francisco where the rents are highly inflated as well, you are on your own. Your choice to live there.
On a different note, anyone at EK from the States try to ship their cars to the UAE? How difficult is it and what are the costs? It might be a cheaper option than having to buy one in country.
FlyDubai screening I expect will be the Emirates interview process?
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From: Suitcase
Ive found nice 2 bedroom apartments in Dubai for $2000USD/mo. If you want a villa Im sure you can find something for what they are offering $4300USD/mo. If you want a castle, well im sorry friends you're in the wrong business.