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Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged

Old 8th Jan 2013, 19:08
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My flight totals during the last 3 years at FZ:

2010 = 797 (block) hours / 319 sectors.
2011 = 708 (block) hours / 256 sectors.
2012 = 822 (block) hours / 336 sectors.

plus 8 (paid) hours worth of obligatory simulator, once every 6 months.

... do the math!
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 19:15
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Thanks for the info!
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 19:17
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Can the education allowance be used for schools back home eg UK?
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 19:32
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PT6Driver: AFAIK, the answer to your question is "No".

That said, some of the original joiners (aka, the 'A' scalers) were, and / or are, able to claim for education fees that occur outside of the UAE, however I'm led to understand that FZ's Employment Contract now states that the education allowance will only be (re)paid for education that takes place within the UAE (and subject to proof of receipts as such). Basically the powers that be want to keep the money within the UAE.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 19:35
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What are the A scalers?
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 19:54
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Hi, just answering....no I divided 840 by 12 because that is the average of what you are going to get. During your annual leave you won't get ANY flight pay. So there will be months when you are going to get 90 hs flight pay and some others when you will get 0, 20, 50....depending on how you bid your leaves. Average around the year is 70 or less. There are MANY pay scales in Fz. A scales are the pilots who joined during the 1st year and they get Dhs 6000 more than everyone else. Them comes the rest with just small differences on the basic.....not much. A scale pilots get a decent amount of money, but B and C should be looking somewhere else. There were promises that eventually we all would get on the A scale, but after almost 4 years and no changes is quite obvious that is just another fallacy to keep people around.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 20:03
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The 'A' scalers are the group of pilots who joined right at (or even before) flydubai started operating flights, and therein their Contract of Employment is slightly different to that which has since been offered, and / or is presently being offered.
E.g. the Contract of Employment, as offered to the 'A' scalers, provides a higher basic salary + higher allowances (to say nothing of a less restrictive policy wrt the 'education allowance'), i.e. when compared to what has subsequently been offered to those whom have joined at a later date and, all in all, it reflects flydubai having revised its T&C's downwards.

I should add (hence the edit) that the 'A' scalers now represent just a small percentage (10% & diminishing ?) of FZ's total pilot cadre.... and yes I am an 'A' scaler.

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Old 8th Jan 2013, 20:10
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Well Old King, you also took a risk.....No embarrasment needed
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 20:16
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thanks for the info on the A scalers guys.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 20:34
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PT6Driver: Every month (regardless of being on leave or not) you will get paid the following:
  1. Basic Salary
  2. Housing Allowance
  3. Transport Allowance
  4. Education Allowance - subject to the proviso of your child(ren) being educated within the UAE.
If you have been flying you will also get paid (monthly in arrears):
  • 'Flight Pay' at either 160 Dhs per block hour (Captain), or 110 Dhs per block hour (F/O).
Nb. In simple terms a 'block hour' (or part thereof) is defined as the time difference between the park brake being released at the beginning of a sector, and the park brake being applied at the end of the sector.

Also, every time you go to the simulator, you will receive 4 hours of 'Flight Pay' at the rate respective to your rank (see above) per session, regardless of how long or short the session is.

E.g. If you were flying during October then you would receive the relevant number of block hours rate (based on your rank) worth of 'flight pay' in your end of November salary, along with amounts for 1+2+3+4.

Conversely, if you were on leave during the whole of October then you wouldn't have accrued any 'flight pay' and so your salary (for the end of November) would only consist of amounts for 1+2+3+4.

Just to be clear. The salary is normally paid on the 26th of each month, and 'flight pay' is paid monthly in arrears (i.e. added into ones pay in the following month).

Just to complete the picture; Some of you might have heard that the UAE has something called an 'End of Service Gratuity', and which UAE based employers are required to pay as follows, i.e. when one eventually leaves / resign:
  • 21 days worth of ones daily rate of remuneration, for each year of the first five years of service.
  • 30 days worth of ones daily rate of remuneration, for each additional year of service provided that the aggregate amount of severance pay shall not exceed two years remuneration.
Nb. When determining ones 'daily rate of remuneration' for this purpose, this is based upon ones Basic Salary(1) only, and it does not include ones 'Allowances'(2+3+4) or averaged 'Flight Pay'.

Do the math !

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Old 8th Jan 2013, 20:37
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Same thing in my company.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 22:30
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can you confirm that IS the case with the educ allowance-makes a big difference
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Old 11th Jan 2013, 20:01
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Assessment day

Hey guys just got through the screening process, any guys done the assessment recently who are type rated, what's the story with the Sim check?
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Old 14th Jan 2013, 01:48
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A Scale

The slightly difference is
Aed 2000,00 per month in car allowance plus Aed 24000,00 per year in house allowance pmus the basic salary difference
It means a slightly difference of AED 48000,00 more to the A scale, not including the salary difference
Slightly......
And all first officers that arrived at that time and upgraded
They are receiving the A scale
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Old 14th Jan 2013, 03:56
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This is the case in many airlines now , there are different type of contract depending when you have joined the company.
What you have to look at is what has been offered to you when you apply and if you get what you have signed for , you should not look at what other are getting.
If you were not happy with the conditions you shouldn't have signed your contract.
And as said by somebody else , the A scale pilots joined before the company even started flying which was a serious risk...
I see people complaining but what are they doing about it ?
I don't see any big reaction in the company except a very small group of pilots ( always the same ) raising their voice.
If you want things to change , join them and this will increase the number which may push the management to act.
Of course it takes more to act to change things than to moan on PPRuNe...

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Old 14th Jan 2013, 19:39
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Actually, the difference is more like 75000AED per year from A-scale Captain to B-scale Captain. The FOs that joined on A-scale then upgraded do in fact go to the A-scale for Captain. Fair enough - or it wouldn't be too much of a raise from A-scale FO to B-scale Captain! They joined under those terms. I also never want to see anyone pulled down - we should all just be raised. In other words, be happy that the guys on A-scale have what they have, just wish for it and ask for it for all, as precedent exists.

That said, I am not an A-scaler (but certainly wish I was!).
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Old 14th Jan 2013, 20:01
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So the sporting/hunting rifles we carry in the hold turned out to be 2 tons of automatic weapons in the hold to ........ without proper overflight permits. Nice! Knew I could trust the security department
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Old 14th Jan 2013, 21:10
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@bluesaddict

....think you'll find most of the 'risk takers' were unemployed XL pilots or on furlough from the US, more like 'no-choice takers'. We all took a risk joining the company, more so once the inaugural chaps/chapesses built their 'training' empires & didn't have to fly to some of the more exotic destinations.....for whatever reason.
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Old 15th Jan 2013, 06:05
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Doubletap,

Your comments about the first group of pilots who joined Flydubai are totally unfair and inappropriate at least for most of them.
I guess it is just jealousy...
It shows obviously that you don't know them personally and that you must have joined quite recently.
As far as I know there were only 1 or 2 pilots who have been able to avoid the " unwanted flights to Afghanistan " and this is now over.
You should take more time to gather your information and think twice before expressing an opinion about others ( remember " D.O.D.A.R." , it is not only for aviation )
Read what Randy BMC has said above and keep your anger for the right fight.
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Old 15th Jan 2013, 06:50
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Easy fella, getting back to your ranting old ways. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

As for DODAR, is that a bird?

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