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It's quite normal to loose pay when you are earning most of your income on a 'productivity' basis. It doesn't really matter as you will make it up in the other months. As long as you fly close to the maximum hrs per year it is what it is. I'm up at 850hrs already for the last 12 months. And that's almost double what I was used to at other airlines.
PBS is not working like we pilots want it too because we are soooo short of crew. PBS is there to assign work and the company policy seems to be to understaff us and get the maximum out of each and everyone. PBS is not a given right to a better roster but a tool to make life better IF the numbers add up. And they don't. If there is 'excess fat' commercial will just add flights and they will have to be staffed. So the senior guys take a hit too and everyone complains. It will only get better if the number of pilots in both seats go up big time. And I don't see that happening anytime soon...
PBS is not working like we pilots want it too because we are soooo short of crew. PBS is there to assign work and the company policy seems to be to understaff us and get the maximum out of each and everyone. PBS is not a given right to a better roster but a tool to make life better IF the numbers add up. And they don't. If there is 'excess fat' commercial will just add flights and they will have to be staffed. So the senior guys take a hit too and everyone complains. It will only get better if the number of pilots in both seats go up big time. And I don't see that happening anytime soon...
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Flydubai to begin flights from Al Maktoum International Airport
So does this mean more additional Workforce for the move to Al Maktoum or will they manage with the existing workforce?
A link to the article
Flydubai to begin flights from Al Maktoum International Airport - Emirates 24|7
A link to the article
Flydubai to begin flights from Al Maktoum International Airport - Emirates 24|7
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It's only a small move initially to free up capacity at DXB and to provide choice for pax who prefer the DWC catchment area. Only 10 flights a day currently. Biggest issue is standby callout timing that realistically need to go to 90'. That and crew transport between DXB-DWC. No need for extra crew.
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Hate to say this, but our PBS isn't not only working because of the shortage of crews. It ain't working (for 75% of people) because there is MASS manual intervention and it's not pure PBS. Only the very top (top 50 or so) are being taken care of on PBS - even though this month and last hasn't been too kind to them either (so I hear). For everyone else, PBS doesn't make one bit of difference. I think for one to think that the 'PBS' actually has an effect on our work life is just being delusional.
By the way, we are short of crews too...... Big time.
By the way, we are short of crews too...... Big time.
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Training
Hello,
I was recently offered a class date with FZ to start in December. While I'm super excited for the opportunity (I have family in Dubai, so it will be nice to be around them), I want to make sure I have gathered as much info as I can to make the most informed decision.
My background is flying corporate Jets in the USA. Our training program at my company is, very relaxed, for lack of better term. And that's exactly what's concerning me now!
How is the training at FZ? What is the wash out rate? Do they give you more sim if needed? If someone can describe their experience with the training department, I would greatly appreciate it
I was recently offered a class date with FZ to start in December. While I'm super excited for the opportunity (I have family in Dubai, so it will be nice to be around them), I want to make sure I have gathered as much info as I can to make the most informed decision.
My background is flying corporate Jets in the USA. Our training program at my company is, very relaxed, for lack of better term. And that's exactly what's concerning me now!
How is the training at FZ? What is the wash out rate? Do they give you more sim if needed? If someone can describe their experience with the training department, I would greatly appreciate it
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Welcome mate. The initial CAE typerating is very relaxed. The groundschool pace is high but the sim I found no problem at all. The instructors are nice and in line with the company ethos, not out there to trick you or fail you. They want you to pass. When I did my initial I didn't hear of anyone not passing. The flydubai trainers are good guys and also nice and normal.
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I'm hearing similar feedback from other guys that have joined recently. So that's certainly good to know. I'm not lazy by any means but still, this is a big move and I want to make sure I'm well prepared for what's coming.
Any thoughts on the GCAA written test? I've gathered some study guides but it sure would be good to hear about other people's experience
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I'm hearing similar feedback from other guys that have joined recently. So that's certainly good to know. I'm not lazy by any means but still, this is a big move and I want to make sure I'm well prepared for what's coming.
Any thoughts on the GCAA written test? I've gathered some study guides but it sure would be good to hear about other people's experience
Cheers
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just to be honest I know of a few who didnt pass the INTIAL training...
It is written in your contract that if you fail the training for any reason you become liable to repay the 24,000 dollars training bond.
Be confident in your ability before you commit, I agree they want to see people suceed but they take no prisoners.
It is written in your contract that if you fail the training for any reason you become liable to repay the 24,000 dollars training bond.
Be confident in your ability before you commit, I agree they want to see people suceed but they take no prisoners.
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Training? What training?!
To those of you who are coming out to Dubai, or hoping to, and are wondering what the training's like. In one word - minimal.
It's just enough to get you on the line, and not much more. Yes it's fairly relaxed, but not in a good way. The whole type rating, and even the simulator sessions for already typed pilots are all contracted out to CAE, who are much more interested in just making sure they get paid than how well you know the 737 and FZ's procedures. So expect just enough to get through and not a lot more. All of the aircraft systems, for example, is CBT as opposed to a classroom. I know of no-one who looked back on their training and thought "wasn't that great?!"
95% of the useful stuff I've learnt has been on the line. Our training (actually much more checking) department contains some great people, but they don't teach the type rating, and are kind of stretched when you get on line.
Most people get through CAE's type rating, because it's in everyone's best interests. But don't expect to know very much at the end of it. Especially as you're trying to settle into Dubai at the same time. That can be hard enough!
It's just enough to get you on the line, and not much more. Yes it's fairly relaxed, but not in a good way. The whole type rating, and even the simulator sessions for already typed pilots are all contracted out to CAE, who are much more interested in just making sure they get paid than how well you know the 737 and FZ's procedures. So expect just enough to get through and not a lot more. All of the aircraft systems, for example, is CBT as opposed to a classroom. I know of no-one who looked back on their training and thought "wasn't that great?!"
95% of the useful stuff I've learnt has been on the line. Our training (actually much more checking) department contains some great people, but they don't teach the type rating, and are kind of stretched when you get on line.
Most people get through CAE's type rating, because it's in everyone's best interests. But don't expect to know very much at the end of it. Especially as you're trying to settle into Dubai at the same time. That can be hard enough!
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I second what jetstreem said.
CAE is the only possible provider of 737 TR available in Dubai, and they know it. Their training is very week and disorganized, a lot of confusion within CAE about content, different CBTs with conflicting info about systems, pretty much a mess.
For whatever its worth, one of the NTR candidates on a class ahead of mine did not make initial training due to lack of basic flying abilities. He was given several additional training sessions but finally didnt make it.
CAE is the only possible provider of 737 TR available in Dubai, and they know it. Their training is very week and disorganized, a lot of confusion within CAE about content, different CBTs with conflicting info about systems, pretty much a mess.
For whatever its worth, one of the NTR candidates on a class ahead of mine did not make initial training due to lack of basic flying abilities. He was given several additional training sessions but finally didnt make it.
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Yep, as said above. You'll probably make it through as long as you can get the basic flying & some procedures right. CAE want you to pass (they're getting paid), FZ need the pilots, so most people get through. Don't worry about that.
Just don't expect to actually know much about the plane or the company!
In some ways the new cadets actually get the best training, because they have so long with the line trainers. But guys with some experience - not so much.
Just don't expect to actually know much about the plane or the company!
In some ways the new cadets actually get the best training, because they have so long with the line trainers. But guys with some experience - not so much.
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Correct me if i am
Wrong but is it not fact that everything you need to know about 737 and company is on the docunet app? And is more a case of not enough time in the schedule for detailed reading rather than poor
Training....
I dont think CAE are that bad personally
Wrong but is it not fact that everything you need to know about 737 and company is on the docunet app? And is more a case of not enough time in the schedule for detailed reading rather than poor
Training....
I dont think CAE are that bad personally
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You'll learn enough of the procedures to get through, but agreed, technical knowledge & even just where to find everything in the FZ manuals are distinctly lacking at the end of it.
Some of the instructors are good, yes. I just don't know anyone who can actually recall anything useful from the CBTs. Maybe it's just not my favourite style of learning. I'm sure it is the cheapest though.
Some of the instructors are good, yes. I just don't know anyone who can actually recall anything useful from the CBTs. Maybe it's just not my favourite style of learning. I'm sure it is the cheapest though.
