If your a happy First Officer at Qatar Airways then please do inform me!
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the truth only the truth
Qr is a very good airline to work for, depending from your expectations and your goal.
1. if your are a profesional pilot looking to join a nice community of talent pilots and get the oportunity to fly the most advanced machine in the world with a desent standard of living and possible upgrade in 4to 5 years "presently" if you fulfill the requirements you most welcome.
2. if you are looking to join to drink laban or eat dattes or ask for 12 cappuchino and 15 orange juice during a single sector even do if you are a first class pax I don't think so they can accomodate your request please stay in this so called lovely europeen Airlines like easy jet and rayn air ....etc where you clean yourself the toilet and pay for your meal and uniform."coming myself from the side of the atlantic"
3. we do have some issues like housing and school but they have been solved for the first one company accomodation, the second if you have not more then 2 children the school allowance is more then enough.
as far as I know never met yet a Qr pilot begging for food in Doha streets.
hope that helps fly safe to all of you.
1. if your are a profesional pilot looking to join a nice community of talent pilots and get the oportunity to fly the most advanced machine in the world with a desent standard of living and possible upgrade in 4to 5 years "presently" if you fulfill the requirements you most welcome.
2. if you are looking to join to drink laban or eat dattes or ask for 12 cappuchino and 15 orange juice during a single sector even do if you are a first class pax I don't think so they can accomodate your request please stay in this so called lovely europeen Airlines like easy jet and rayn air ....etc where you clean yourself the toilet and pay for your meal and uniform."coming myself from the side of the atlantic"
3. we do have some issues like housing and school but they have been solved for the first one company accomodation, the second if you have not more then 2 children the school allowance is more then enough.
as far as I know never met yet a Qr pilot begging for food in Doha streets.
hope that helps fly safe to all of you.
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.....And last but not least.. depending of your personnal situation (Family.....)
I mean if you are an f/O with family and kids in Europe,let's assume your wife is working...Don't think it's really worth to completly transfer your live here in Qatar airways...
-Yes we do pay tax in Europe,but at least we have some return: pension, school,university still cheap,good medical insurance covering everything...
-Yes here we don't pay tax (yet..),but we have 17% inflation for 2008 (europe is around 4 %), we have a continious devaluation of the qatari riyal v/s Euro (since the creation of euro), my salary has been devaluated by 40% since i joined,no pension,so if it continues like that.......
Wich situation is the best... I would be very careful before answering..
Nobody knowns about the future.., so just think twice expecially for the long term...
Now if you are single..come here for a while,try to save some money for a couple of year and then decide, stay or leave..
I mean if you are an f/O with family and kids in Europe,let's assume your wife is working...Don't think it's really worth to completly transfer your live here in Qatar airways...
-Yes we do pay tax in Europe,but at least we have some return: pension, school,university still cheap,good medical insurance covering everything...
-Yes here we don't pay tax (yet..),but we have 17% inflation for 2008 (europe is around 4 %), we have a continious devaluation of the qatari riyal v/s Euro (since the creation of euro), my salary has been devaluated by 40% since i joined,no pension,so if it continues like that.......
Wich situation is the best... I would be very careful before answering..
Nobody knowns about the future.., so just think twice expecially for the long term...
Now if you are single..come here for a while,try to save some money for a couple of year and then decide, stay or leave..
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THR MCT truth but only truth. You asked for it you shall get mate.
Just facts:
4 years of staying in Doha NO EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT!
4 years seniority NOT EVEN A 3 BED ROOM APARTMENT AFTER EVICTION IS AVAILABLE TO SFO WITH A CHILD but new joiners can avail them having no kids but bloody dogs.
Upgrades change of policy after 4 years waiting for 330 it's only 320. Doesn't really matter which airplane but it's something called credibility my friend. After 4 years we find ourselves with eroding income by more than 40 %. and the quality of live doesn't improve at all. Overtime CANCELED It's called deception my friend!!! However the quality of training is very good that must be said. All in all everyone gotta answer the question DO I SE MYSELF HERE IN THE FUTURE? if the answer is yes- good luck. If NO off you go. The most disturbing fact about QR is not the vain promisses but the absolute inhuman treatment from the guys in the tower. That's about it. Take care and believe it or not one day you'll find yourself in dire need. That's gonna be a moment of truth. It's good to be enthusiastic but don't be blind.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
Just facts:
4 years of staying in Doha NO EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT!
4 years seniority NOT EVEN A 3 BED ROOM APARTMENT AFTER EVICTION IS AVAILABLE TO SFO WITH A CHILD but new joiners can avail them having no kids but bloody dogs.
Upgrades change of policy after 4 years waiting for 330 it's only 320. Doesn't really matter which airplane but it's something called credibility my friend. After 4 years we find ourselves with eroding income by more than 40 %. and the quality of live doesn't improve at all. Overtime CANCELED It's called deception my friend!!! However the quality of training is very good that must be said. All in all everyone gotta answer the question DO I SE MYSELF HERE IN THE FUTURE? if the answer is yes- good luck. If NO off you go. The most disturbing fact about QR is not the vain promisses but the absolute inhuman treatment from the guys in the tower. That's about it. Take care and believe it or not one day you'll find yourself in dire need. That's gonna be a moment of truth. It's good to be enthusiastic but don't be blind.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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Don’t come here expecting too much!
There used to be a saying for working in the Gulf:
You don’t come here for a career, you come here to do the job we want you to do. So expect to leave in exactly the same position you came with and you'll not be disappointed!
In a way this is still true. Come here and get a rating on a nice piece of equipment! But that’s about as far as your rights go! Anything more is pure luck!
Smirnoff, I know what you are talking about and you are absolutely right!
Seniority does not mean a thing over here, it merely helps you when waiting for a jump seat at the staff travel counter but that’s about it!
Housing is a disgrace for people who have been here for some time!
As is salary and career progression. Promises that’s all you will get!
There is not a single QR pilot who has never been lied to before, not a single pilot who has never been misled!
And the more you do for the company, the more it will backfire on you!
So come here, take your TR. After that, just do your job and go home . spend time with your family!
If you can stick to that you'll do just fine for a couple of years....
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There used to be a saying for working in the Gulf:
You don’t come here for a career, you come here to do the job we want you to do. So expect to leave in exactly the same position you came with and you'll not be disappointed!
In a way this is still true. Come here and get a rating on a nice piece of equipment! But that’s about as far as your rights go! Anything more is pure luck!
Smirnoff, I know what you are talking about and you are absolutely right!
Seniority does not mean a thing over here, it merely helps you when waiting for a jump seat at the staff travel counter but that’s about it!
Housing is a disgrace for people who have been here for some time!
As is salary and career progression. Promises that’s all you will get!
There is not a single QR pilot who has never been lied to before, not a single pilot who has never been misled!
And the more you do for the company, the more it will backfire on you!
So come here, take your TR. After that, just do your job and go home . spend time with your family!
If you can stick to that you'll do just fine for a couple of years....
....
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The Goat should be seen as Working for Your Welfare Payment, in some countries: Working for the Dole.
It is a place where a pilot has to work for a minimal retainer whilst improving qualifications before rejoining the workforce with a legitimate airline.
Most pilots end up Working for the Dole because, sadly they lost their previous job. But believe it or not, some pilots actually want to work for the dole?? What to say.... the world is a strange place.
It is a place where a pilot has to work for a minimal retainer whilst improving qualifications before rejoining the workforce with a legitimate airline.
Most pilots end up Working for the Dole because, sadly they lost their previous job. But believe it or not, some pilots actually want to work for the dole?? What to say.... the world is a strange place.
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happy F/O
In all the companies around the globe if you do not follow what is instructed in the "OM" or the company rules, for shure u will have problems, if the act of indicipline is a big one or your performance is low, u will be in trouble, is not that QR invented that policy, they only have a name for that departament (termination dept) which I am not even shure reading that name in the tower. , tell me if you commit an act of indiscipline, or your performance at your job is low, in any company: EK, EY,AA,FU, Varig, LAN, TACA etc. what do you expect?? a congratulation letter??. The problem is that people use this mean to express their frustrations, not even dogs bite the hand that is feeding them.
Be shure things here at QR are much better that what you read on this site, follow the rules ,do your job and u will see how good it will be.
And the most important dont listen to what all this anonimous cowards say, just do your job, and enjoy life in Doha it is beautiful!!!.
NOTE: I am not arab, and it is not that Iam new here I have 5 years flying for QR they upgrade me one year ago. (not thrue that no upgrades in QR)
Be shure things here at QR are much better that what you read on this site, follow the rules ,do your job and u will see how good it will be.
And the most important dont listen to what all this anonimous cowards say, just do your job, and enjoy life in Doha it is beautiful!!!.
NOTE: I am not arab, and it is not that Iam new here I have 5 years flying for QR they upgrade me one year ago. (not thrue that no upgrades in QR)
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If you have friends here who can lead you around with the do and donts then its not that bad. The problem here is Human resourse and recruiting still have a lot of room to improve. Simple details in the joining ,training process would make a world of difference.
Good things, if avail youl recieve your accomodation the day you arrive.Online its just like any other airline, you have good and bad things.
4-6years min for upgrade.
I come from a bunch of shytt airlines so this has been a positive experience, money in my pocket, new car, i dont worry about rent or bills,very few MELs, standard hotels.
Good things, if avail youl recieve your accomodation the day you arrive.Online its just like any other airline, you have good and bad things.
4-6years min for upgrade.
I come from a bunch of shytt airlines so this has been a positive experience, money in my pocket, new car, i dont worry about rent or bills,very few MELs, standard hotels.
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Keeping in mind the topic of this thread, as many have posted, there are bad things happening in QR.
However, if you notice it all boils down to
1. yes, the little one..
2. lousy flt ops management, or rather lack of any real welfare support for the flight deck.
On the other hand you have the cabin crew department fully structured, with a "line of compalints" and all. Thereby letting the cabin crew, perf supervisors etc to get away with disrespect and even outright lack of crm with the flight crew. There is no support for the flight crew in the office, no one to investigate the events and find the truth. GMFO, although a good guy, jus says yes to everyone - if you rem it was an annual event, having a new GMFO, until AJ.. So unless you are 'liked' by the right people, you can be in trouble..
Long and short - QR has politics like any other airline, but has great potential if the ops management is given a proper shake down..
So basically, to want to join QR, it all comes down to your personal situation!
For the ones already here and depressed - take pride in the fact that everytime you are up there, you get to be a part of the wonders of nature! You can fly!!
However, if you notice it all boils down to
1. yes, the little one..
2. lousy flt ops management, or rather lack of any real welfare support for the flight deck.
On the other hand you have the cabin crew department fully structured, with a "line of compalints" and all. Thereby letting the cabin crew, perf supervisors etc to get away with disrespect and even outright lack of crm with the flight crew. There is no support for the flight crew in the office, no one to investigate the events and find the truth. GMFO, although a good guy, jus says yes to everyone - if you rem it was an annual event, having a new GMFO, until AJ.. So unless you are 'liked' by the right people, you can be in trouble..
Long and short - QR has politics like any other airline, but has great potential if the ops management is given a proper shake down..
So basically, to want to join QR, it all comes down to your personal situation!
For the ones already here and depressed - take pride in the fact that everytime you are up there, you get to be a part of the wonders of nature! You can fly!!
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hi
hi..i just wanna ask smthing and may be it will be strange 4 u but why would cabin crew report deck crew if they asked for orange juice??they don't have anything else to do or they wanna show to the management they r so caring for the company?or its coz they r simply some emty souls who r so ignorant and back in their countries they r the lowest class citizens and given any position and pen they just wanna write?i dont get it...really...cant they do their flights,go home and look forward to the next day??
im wishing u all the best and luck with these ppl and hope u dont ever have to deal with such a bull$it
im wishing u all the best and luck with these ppl and hope u dont ever have to deal with such a bull$it
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ICAO level 6 English - just not happening at the 'goat' is it? Always painful listening to their crappy R/T
And the writing is just like the talking!!!!
And the writing is just like the talking!!!!
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Hi guys, regarding living in Qatar, for those who are married without children does anyone have first-hand experience with bringing their partners with them on trips to do some travelling rather than leaving them by themselves at home in Doha? Would this work with the current roster patterns or are the lay-overs too short?
Secondly, does anyone have the name of the current B777 fleet Chief Pilot?
Lastly, any news on recruitment? The website now has no job vacancies listed. Is this due to upgrading of the website or, as I suspect, have they now filled all the positions after the Singapore roadshow?
Would appreciate any help
Secondly, does anyone have the name of the current B777 fleet Chief Pilot?
Lastly, any news on recruitment? The website now has no job vacancies listed. Is this due to upgrading of the website or, as I suspect, have they now filled all the positions after the Singapore roadshow?
Would appreciate any help