Qatar Airways
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No worries Snam,
learning is a never ending process in all fields. Just to remind you about the difference btwn gathering info and making statements, so far you've being prone to do the later. Just my 2 cents. By the way we all did that.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
learning is a never ending process in all fields. Just to remind you about the difference btwn gathering info and making statements, so far you've being prone to do the later. Just my 2 cents. By the way we all did that.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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From: paradise
Cheaper Cheaper
Snam you want to check out the situation? Once you're in Doha check out new towers currently under construction located in the west bay labeled AL BAKER TOWERS. Do you think the guy can do two things effectively at the same time?
Locals can't even talk on the mobile and drive at the same time without having an accident. Without coming here I can tell you you will be one of cheaper cheaper a$$. Enjoy the European rights mate.
Locals can't even talk on the mobile and drive at the same time without having an accident. Without coming here I can tell you you will be one of cheaper cheaper a$$. Enjoy the European rights mate.
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From: on the rocks
rumours or reliable info source!
Dear Snam,
unfortunately QR's information policy renders it impossible to be updated on current issues timely therefore prune is quite accurate, I'd say. Most of guys derive their info exclusively from prune. Sometimes QR chooses not to inform us about some changes affecting our T&C or circumstances pertaining our stay in Qatar at all. Housing is just one example no one from pilot body has ever seen any kind of notice stipulating change in the policy. To be fair that's not applicable to flight OPS. It seems there's two separately existing worlds QR tower and the rest. Result is an ineffective communication depriving people of a chance to make a sound decision. Should you come over here you will be surprised how accurate prune might be. It's one of the existing effective communication channels.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
unfortunately QR's information policy renders it impossible to be updated on current issues timely therefore prune is quite accurate, I'd say. Most of guys derive their info exclusively from prune. Sometimes QR chooses not to inform us about some changes affecting our T&C or circumstances pertaining our stay in Qatar at all. Housing is just one example no one from pilot body has ever seen any kind of notice stipulating change in the policy. To be fair that's not applicable to flight OPS. It seems there's two separately existing worlds QR tower and the rest. Result is an ineffective communication depriving people of a chance to make a sound decision. Should you come over here you will be surprised how accurate prune might be. It's one of the existing effective communication channels.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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From: middleast
Qatar airways has been rated 5 stars for first and business class service on board ONLY....and 5 stars as well for inflation in Qatar..the best in the gulf!
Qatar is indeed very good when it comes to the treatment of his GUEST.., But donīt forget WE(crew) are NOT guest..just labours, and thatīs a different story here...
And if you are not convinced yet that Qatar aiways is loosing the battle here in the gulf.. just have a look at the number of Views for the main thread for Emirates (250.000 views)-Etihad (150.000 views)...Qatar Airways(13.000 views
)....interesting isnīt it?
Cheers.
Qatar is indeed very good when it comes to the treatment of his GUEST.., But donīt forget WE(crew) are NOT guest..just labours, and thatīs a different story here...
And if you are not convinced yet that Qatar aiways is loosing the battle here in the gulf.. just have a look at the number of Views for the main thread for Emirates (250.000 views)-Etihad (150.000 views)...Qatar Airways(13.000 views
)....interesting isnīt it?Cheers.
Last edited by loc22550; 8th March 2008 at 12:55.
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Xaxa, that's the point nobody knows what's the policy.
This is what flight deck crews have received :
Some of us interested did apply. Since then couple of choices were available rather of mediocre standards. Bottom line is, as you're very well aware of virtually a war going on between tenants and the greedy landlords there's no guaranty all cases will be won. As you're also very well aware QR doesn't pay adequate housing allowances so one either accepts the fact of paying out of own pocket or tries to defend what's right hoping at the same time for a back up from the company in form of providing suitable accommodation in case needed.
Here comes the interesting part: new company accommodation can't be availed to the senior staff like mentioned in the aforesaid crew notice. Why? Apparently due to CEO's instruction which no one of us ever saw.
Quite a dilemma, don't you think?
The point is: even if there was such an instruction it's welfare's manager job to draw CEO's attention to the existing problems which they don't.
You tell me please how am I supposed to get adequate rest in a tiny two bed room apartment having a small child e.g going for a night flight?
Whereas at the same time single guys do get two story three bed one being new joiners.
Maybe I'm stupid and don't understand something.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
This is what flight deck crews have received :
Those interested in Company provided accommodation are requested to submit fresh applications for the same to enable us to reassess the requirement and allocate suitably.
Preference would be based on seniority in the airline.
Preference would be based on seniority in the airline.
Here comes the interesting part: new company accommodation can't be availed to the senior staff like mentioned in the aforesaid crew notice. Why? Apparently due to CEO's instruction which no one of us ever saw.
Quite a dilemma, don't you think?
The point is: even if there was such an instruction it's welfare's manager job to draw CEO's attention to the existing problems which they don't.
You tell me please how am I supposed to get adequate rest in a tiny two bed room apartment having a small child e.g going for a night flight?
Whereas at the same time single guys do get two story three bed one being new joiners.
Maybe I'm stupid and don't understand something.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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From: middleast
The allocation of accomodation for cockpit crew should be based on the family status and not the grade: flat for single people (CPT or F/O), villa for the family people with kids.
What i canīt understand is why new joiners have priority and not the seniors one...everything is upside down here in qatar aiways!
What i canīt understand is why new joiners have priority and not the seniors one...everything is upside down here in qatar aiways!
Last edited by loc22550; 11th March 2008 at 12:25.
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The solution couldn't be really more simpler:
Value 2 bed room apartment =8000QAR
Value 3 bed room apartment=10000QAR
Value Villa 12000 QAR.
Let the guys make a choice and everybody is happy as well as QR will save money. If Cpt wants to take a two bed room one he'll get 4000 QAR refund or if F/O wants to take a villa he's gotta pay 2000 QAR on top. As easy as that. I believe it's called resourse managment. Ranking does matter but if someone is alone or single and wants to save money why not to give him that chance? For the company it's gonna cost all the same anyway but the accommodation won't be half occupied, as it's the case now, thus doubling costs. Folks would be happy and that's not acceptable in QR. Anyhow it's probably too much to expect.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
Value 2 bed room apartment =8000QAR
Value 3 bed room apartment=10000QAR
Value Villa 12000 QAR.
Let the guys make a choice and everybody is happy as well as QR will save money. If Cpt wants to take a two bed room one he'll get 4000 QAR refund or if F/O wants to take a villa he's gotta pay 2000 QAR on top. As easy as that. I believe it's called resourse managment. Ranking does matter but if someone is alone or single and wants to save money why not to give him that chance? For the company it's gonna cost all the same anyway but the accommodation won't be half occupied, as it's the case now, thus doubling costs. Folks would be happy and that's not acceptable in QR. Anyhow it's probably too much to expect.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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From: venus
Want to make the folks happy..easy; just increase the basic by 10 to 20% and give the crew a annual increase that match with the reality of the situation in Doha..!!!(instead of this ridiculous 3%
) or at least a good bonus every year, and a good end of service benefit wich may motivate the people to stay here longer!
Easy....
) or at least a good bonus every year, and a good end of service benefit wich may motivate the people to stay here longer!Easy....
Last edited by salamalikum2; 11th March 2008 at 17:57.
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From: WORLD
Hello lads,
I'll be joining in July...and please don't start, I've been reading you for a long time, I'll take full responsability and I'll buy you a beer the day I'll admit "you tried to tell me"!
I'm married, what are the chances of getting company housing and what is the monthly rent for a decent non-company-accomodation?
Thanks a lot
Bufe01
I'll be joining in July...and please don't start, I've been reading you for a long time, I'll take full responsability and I'll buy you a beer the day I'll admit "you tried to tell me"!
I'm married, what are the chances of getting company housing and what is the monthly rent for a decent non-company-accomodation?
Thanks a lot
Bufe01
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From: Some place on earth
Hi guys!! first post, i fly as cap the ERJ 145 with 8500 hrs on different planes 4000 jet and 4500 turboprop only 1500 pic and have recently been invited to go for the QR interview, and the sim assessment (at Doha) in April. What can i expect from the interview and sim ride?, any info would be appreciated.
Something else..... I read here QR is pretty strict on crew politics, but do you get to enjoy the job, how is the general atmosphere with the fligth decks and cabin crew how are the pay and benefits. Do you get tickets, jump seat, Zed, insurance can you make a living and still save some money (married no kids). The truth is that i want to move to the middle east so i can save some money and retire after let's say 10, 15 years.
In witch plane in case i pass would i be put on?
Is it true that you can't date cabin crew? and if you do you get fired?.
I went to Dubai for the EK interview last month and did ok, is very nice too, but since i don't really know if i would be successful until 6 more weeks i might give a try at QR.
I read in www.pilot career center.com that QR is receiving as many as 140 planes plus interesting options in not so long term , so maybe it may be worth a wile to make a career move in QR get a rapid up grade and fly a nice airplane to nice places, or maybe not..........
QR A/C orders:
3 Airbus A330-200's,
4 Airbus A330-300's.
13 Boeing 777-300ERs (5 Options),
6 Boeing 777-200LRs,
7 Boeing 777-200LRF Freighters
30 Boeing 787's (30 Options)
5 Airbus A380's (increased order by 3 airframes at Paris Air Show 2007)
20 A350-800XWB's,
40 A350-900XWB's,
20 A350-1000XWB's.
Please comment.
Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something else..... I read here QR is pretty strict on crew politics, but do you get to enjoy the job, how is the general atmosphere with the fligth decks and cabin crew how are the pay and benefits. Do you get tickets, jump seat, Zed, insurance can you make a living and still save some money (married no kids). The truth is that i want to move to the middle east so i can save some money and retire after let's say 10, 15 years.
In witch plane in case i pass would i be put on?
Is it true that you can't date cabin crew? and if you do you get fired?.
I went to Dubai for the EK interview last month and did ok, is very nice too, but since i don't really know if i would be successful until 6 more weeks i might give a try at QR.
I read in www.pilot career center.com that QR is receiving as many as 140 planes plus interesting options in not so long term , so maybe it may be worth a wile to make a career move in QR get a rapid up grade and fly a nice airplane to nice places, or maybe not..........
QR A/C orders:
3 Airbus A330-200's,
4 Airbus A330-300's.
13 Boeing 777-300ERs (5 Options),
6 Boeing 777-200LRs,
7 Boeing 777-200LRF Freighters
30 Boeing 787's (30 Options)
5 Airbus A380's (increased order by 3 airframes at Paris Air Show 2007)
20 A350-800XWB's,
40 A350-900XWB's,
20 A350-1000XWB's.
Please comment.
Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: somewhere
Info please!!!!!
Hi guys!! first post, i fly as cap the ERJ 145 with 8500 hrs on different planes 4000 jet and 4500 turboprop only 1500 jet pic and have recently been invited to go for the QR interview, and the sim assessment (at Doha) in April. What can i expect from the interview and sim ride?, any info would be appreciated.
Something else..... I read here QR is pretty strict on crew politics, but do you get to enjoy the job, how is the general atmosphere regarding flight deck and cabin crew, how is the pay and benefits do you get tickets, jump seat, Zed, insurance vacations ,can you make a living and still save some money as a single guy. The truth is that i want to move to the middle east so That i can make a career and save some money to retire after let's say 10, 15 years.(please don't mock me) it is my plan.
In witch plane in case i pass would i be put on?
Is it true that you can't date cabin crew? and if you do you get fired?.
I went to Dubai for the EK interview last month and did ok, is very nice too, but since i don't really know if i would be successful until 6 more weeks i might give a try at QR.
I read in www.pilot career center.com that QR is receiving as many as 140 planes plus interesting options in not so long term , so it may be worth a wile to make a career move in QR get a rapid up grade since all the aircraft bought and fly a nice airplane to nice places, or maybe not..........?
QR A/C orders:
3 Airbus A330-200's,
4 Airbus A330-300's.
13 Boeing 777-300ERs (5 Options),
6 Boeing 777-200LRs,
7 Boeing 777-200LRF Freighters
30 Boeing 787's (30 Options)
5 Airbus A380's (increased order by 3 airframes at Paris Air Show 2007)
20 A350-800XWB's,
40 A350-900XWB's,
20 A350-1000XWB's.
Please comment.
Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something else..... I read here QR is pretty strict on crew politics, but do you get to enjoy the job, how is the general atmosphere regarding flight deck and cabin crew, how is the pay and benefits do you get tickets, jump seat, Zed, insurance vacations ,can you make a living and still save some money as a single guy. The truth is that i want to move to the middle east so That i can make a career and save some money to retire after let's say 10, 15 years.(please don't mock me) it is my plan.
In witch plane in case i pass would i be put on?
Is it true that you can't date cabin crew? and if you do you get fired?.
I went to Dubai for the EK interview last month and did ok, is very nice too, but since i don't really know if i would be successful until 6 more weeks i might give a try at QR.
I read in www.pilot career center.com that QR is receiving as many as 140 planes plus interesting options in not so long term , so it may be worth a wile to make a career move in QR get a rapid up grade since all the aircraft bought and fly a nice airplane to nice places, or maybe not..........?
QR A/C orders:
3 Airbus A330-200's,
4 Airbus A330-300's.
13 Boeing 777-300ERs (5 Options),
6 Boeing 777-200LRs,
7 Boeing 777-200LRF Freighters
30 Boeing 787's (30 Options)
5 Airbus A380's (increased order by 3 airframes at Paris Air Show 2007)
20 A350-800XWB's,
40 A350-900XWB's,
20 A350-1000XWB's.
Please comment.
Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: middleast
Comment:
Donīt rush yourself..!!!!!!!i think itīs
REALLY worth to wait 6 weeks to see if you have been sucessfull with EK...!
I like your remark about dating Cabin crew...?
i donīt known, simply because iīm not interesting anyway to have date with "kids".But yes i guess it must be possible..BUT be carefull if you decide to come here with the intention of marry one of them, you will have to deal with the CEO first!
Anway i donīt think this is a real issue in Q.A. and itīs certainly not the main problem here(dating or nor with CC
)
There is other main important issue here(well in my humble opinion): Inflation,huge salary devaluation, roster, respect of people and their private life,upgrade,allocation of leave...just to give you a few examples.
Cheers and good luck for your interview.
Bufe01: decent accomodation in Doha for new joiner....:
2-3 bedroom flat.....10.000..QR=..2800..U$/month (not per year...!
)
Villa:minimum.....15000QR =..4000U$/month...probably unfurnished.
No Bufe01 donīt laugh..iīm not crazy or drunk this is the real(optimistic)figures!
Donīt rush yourself..!!!!!!!i think itīs
REALLY worth to wait 6 weeks to see if you have been sucessfull with EK...!
I like your remark about dating Cabin crew...?
i donīt known, simply because iīm not interesting anyway to have date with "kids".But yes i guess it must be possible..BUT be carefull if you decide to come here with the intention of marry one of them, you will have to deal with the CEO first!Anway i donīt think this is a real issue in Q.A. and itīs certainly not the main problem here(dating or nor with CC
)There is other main important issue here(well in my humble opinion): Inflation,huge salary devaluation, roster, respect of people and their private life,upgrade,allocation of leave...just to give you a few examples.
Cheers and good luck for your interview.
Bufe01: decent accomodation in Doha for new joiner
....:2-3 bedroom flat.....10.000..QR=..2800..U$/month (not per year...!
)Villa:minimum.....15000QR =..4000U$/month...probably unfurnished.
No Bufe01 donīt laugh..iīm not crazy or drunk this is the real(optimistic)figures!
Last edited by loc22550; 12th March 2008 at 05:02.
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From: Dohacity
Great, just what we need....
Guys joining whose main worries are if they can date cabin crew or not and who dream only of big airplane orders...
To answer your question Mr CRJ Captain...
If our wonderfull recruitment team follows the rules you will be offered a job as FO on the A330 or B777 fleet as you do not have the experience to join as a Capt in QR on a widebody fleet and the A320 does not really need Captains from outside at the moment.
And besides that, officially there should be no more DEC hiring UFN...Too many mishaps in the past with so called Captains from other airlines and too many overly and well qualified FOs waiting to be upgraded!
But then again, this is QATAR AIRWAYS and they might just offer you a left seat....
Good luck with the dating part mate, you ll need it!
Guys joining whose main worries are if they can date cabin crew or not and who dream only of big airplane orders...
To answer your question Mr CRJ Captain...
If our wonderfull recruitment team follows the rules you will be offered a job as FO on the A330 or B777 fleet as you do not have the experience to join as a Capt in QR on a widebody fleet and the A320 does not really need Captains from outside at the moment.
And besides that, officially there should be no more DEC hiring UFN...Too many mishaps in the past with so called Captains from other airlines and too many overly and well qualified FOs waiting to be upgraded!
But then again, this is QATAR AIRWAYS and they might just offer you a left seat....
Good luck with the dating part mate, you ll need it!
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From: on the rocks
bufe01,
chances to get company accommodation being a new joiner are good.
2 bed room unfurnished or semi one 10000-11000QAR
3 BR one unfurnished or semi one up to 13000QAR
Villa starting from 15000 QAR
all prices per month. Decent one is very personal choice, all depends on your standards. Do you like to live in the ghetto? Aforesaid prices aren't in the best areas of the town. Good once 2 BR starts from 15000 QAR.
Good luck.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
chances to get company accommodation being a new joiner are good.
2 bed room unfurnished or semi one 10000-11000QAR
3 BR one unfurnished or semi one up to 13000QAR
Villa starting from 15000 QAR
all prices per month. Decent one is very personal choice, all depends on your standards. Do you like to live in the ghetto? Aforesaid prices aren't in the best areas of the town. Good once 2 BR starts from 15000 QAR.
Good luck.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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From: In the Matrix
Qatari 515 said
Great, just what we need....
Guys joining whose main worries are if they can date cabin crew or not and who dream only of big airplane orders...
To answer your question Mr CRJ Captain...
If our wonderfull recruitment team follows the rules you will be offered a job as FO on the A330 or B777 fleet as you do not have the experience to join as a Capt in QR on a widebody fleet and the A320 does not really need Captains from outside at the moment.
And besides that, officially there should be no more DEC hiring UFN...Too many mishaps in the past with so called Captains from other airlines and too many overly and well qualified FOs waiting to be upgraded!
But then again, this is QATAR AIRWAYS and they might just offer you a left seat....
Good luck with the dating part mate, you ll need it!
C'mon man he's just trying to get laid and fly big airplanes!! Wait a minute, aren't we all trying to get laid and fly big airplanes? I don't know about messing with the cabin crew in a place where you could lose your twins as a result...
A320PLT
Great, just what we need....
Guys joining whose main worries are if they can date cabin crew or not and who dream only of big airplane orders...
To answer your question Mr CRJ Captain...
If our wonderfull recruitment team follows the rules you will be offered a job as FO on the A330 or B777 fleet as you do not have the experience to join as a Capt in QR on a widebody fleet and the A320 does not really need Captains from outside at the moment.
And besides that, officially there should be no more DEC hiring UFN...Too many mishaps in the past with so called Captains from other airlines and too many overly and well qualified FOs waiting to be upgraded!
But then again, this is QATAR AIRWAYS and they might just offer you a left seat....
Good luck with the dating part mate, you ll need it!
C'mon man he's just trying to get laid and fly big airplanes!! Wait a minute, aren't we all trying to get laid and fly big airplanes? I don't know about messing with the cabin crew in a place where you could lose your twins as a result...A320PLT
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From: on the rocks
C'mon man he's just trying to get laid and fly big airplanes!! Wait a minute, aren't we all trying to get laid and fly big airplanes? I don't know about messing with the cabin crew in a place where you could lose your twins as a result...
I don't know about messing with the cabin crew in a place where you could lose your twins as a result...
Last thing we need here is another horny top gun causing everybody else great deal of troubles.
Take it as granted: Gentleman enjoys and remains discreet.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!