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SNAM & Qatari515,
I can assure you that my new salary doesn't even come close to what I've been accustomed to earning in the past, but now that I'm a step closer to retirement I'm more than happy to see my previously hectic lifestyle slow down a little. As I inferred earlier, it's all about choice! I don't wish to be brash and say that I've just about seen and done everything, but what I can say with some certainty, is that the modern aviation world is now a cut and thrust financial industry and no ammount of bashing your head against the management door will achieve anything; except a bad name for yourself! So, like any other buisiness, you have to approach your management with stealth and plant the seeds of your gripes in small batches, but allways leaving the obvious solution within their own laps, which, eventually, should result in those seeds bearing fruit because they will ultimately find that solution that you planted some time ago. You must realise that you are within an Arab business culture, so the good ideas must come from the management team and not from the shop floor... that just how it is and you aint gonna change that culture overnight.
I'm all for fair play, but there are rules & regulations that govern our businness; some we like and some we don't like, but rightly or wrongly, we're stuck with them.
What I will say, is, that there are no totally satisfactory set of rules within the minefield of FTLs; not anywhere on this planet, because there will allways be a new/oddball situation that cannot be adequately addressed by those rules. Those rules are there to protect not only you as flight crew, but also the airline and its passengers; so, the sooner you get to grips with those rules, and thoroughly understand the interpretation of them, the better placed you will be when it comes to any missunderstanding. I mention 'interpretation', because usually it's the company who will have the final say with regard to interpretation... sometimes not a fair judgement, because as I said earlier, FTLs are a minefield of 'shall', 'if', 'might', 'should', 'must', and 'shouldn't'! When it comes to rostering issues, those rules are taken into account when constructing your monthly roster; however, when the whole operation falls to rat$hit due to delays or disruption to service there can sometimes be errors of judgement in trying pull it all back together again, so it's perhaps not surprising that some people do occasionally get the rough end of the stick. If you find that a roster change isn't quite legally correct, ask someone in Crew Control for clarification, and this will usually resolve itself when the errors have been pointed out. They may of course ask you for a 'favour' on this occasion... that's up to you of course? On the other side of the coin, if you are continually getting shafted, keep a record and put it into print for the attention of your line manager... it will allways get their attention, because they so hate paperwork!
On a final note, there's allways the ultimate letout... you have the responsibility to your company (and to yourself) to say that you are unfit for duty (QCAA FTLs). Go and see your doctor and tell him you are tired... if that should be the case?
I've had my own fair share of being $hafted by management and FTLs, and the interpretation thereof, and I could tell you many real stories that would make your hair curl; unless, like me, your forehead has joined the back of your head! Management is all about providing a level playing field and listening to people.
Stay safe, be calm and objective... tell someone!
TCF
I can assure you that my new salary doesn't even come close to what I've been accustomed to earning in the past, but now that I'm a step closer to retirement I'm more than happy to see my previously hectic lifestyle slow down a little. As I inferred earlier, it's all about choice! I don't wish to be brash and say that I've just about seen and done everything, but what I can say with some certainty, is that the modern aviation world is now a cut and thrust financial industry and no ammount of bashing your head against the management door will achieve anything; except a bad name for yourself! So, like any other buisiness, you have to approach your management with stealth and plant the seeds of your gripes in small batches, but allways leaving the obvious solution within their own laps, which, eventually, should result in those seeds bearing fruit because they will ultimately find that solution that you planted some time ago. You must realise that you are within an Arab business culture, so the good ideas must come from the management team and not from the shop floor... that just how it is and you aint gonna change that culture overnight.
I'm all for fair play, but there are rules & regulations that govern our businness; some we like and some we don't like, but rightly or wrongly, we're stuck with them.
What I will say, is, that there are no totally satisfactory set of rules within the minefield of FTLs; not anywhere on this planet, because there will allways be a new/oddball situation that cannot be adequately addressed by those rules. Those rules are there to protect not only you as flight crew, but also the airline and its passengers; so, the sooner you get to grips with those rules, and thoroughly understand the interpretation of them, the better placed you will be when it comes to any missunderstanding. I mention 'interpretation', because usually it's the company who will have the final say with regard to interpretation... sometimes not a fair judgement, because as I said earlier, FTLs are a minefield of 'shall', 'if', 'might', 'should', 'must', and 'shouldn't'! When it comes to rostering issues, those rules are taken into account when constructing your monthly roster; however, when the whole operation falls to rat$hit due to delays or disruption to service there can sometimes be errors of judgement in trying pull it all back together again, so it's perhaps not surprising that some people do occasionally get the rough end of the stick. If you find that a roster change isn't quite legally correct, ask someone in Crew Control for clarification, and this will usually resolve itself when the errors have been pointed out. They may of course ask you for a 'favour' on this occasion... that's up to you of course? On the other side of the coin, if you are continually getting shafted, keep a record and put it into print for the attention of your line manager... it will allways get their attention, because they so hate paperwork!
On a final note, there's allways the ultimate letout... you have the responsibility to your company (and to yourself) to say that you are unfit for duty (QCAA FTLs). Go and see your doctor and tell him you are tired... if that should be the case?
I've had my own fair share of being $hafted by management and FTLs, and the interpretation thereof, and I could tell you many real stories that would make your hair curl; unless, like me, your forehead has joined the back of your head! Management is all about providing a level playing field and listening to people.
Stay safe, be calm and objective... tell someone!
TCF
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RnR.....
You could be right...however if you have been here for a while you should know that that actually would be a very remote chance!
Could always use some rnr though....hahaha
TheChitterneFlyer
as I said before...good luck! Many tried before you, maybe you will be the lucky one!
From reading your posts I fear that you might be in for a culture shock!
But once more...Good luck!
You could be right...however if you have been here for a while you should know that that actually would be a very remote chance!
Could always use some rnr though....hahaha
TheChitterneFlyer
as I said before...good luck! Many tried before you, maybe you will be the lucky one!
From reading your posts I fear that you might be in for a culture shock!
But once more...Good luck!
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Welcome on board TCF. Most people here want the same thing, a great airline. Different cultures approach that mission in different ways and being respectful of those differences will help you to achieve your personal and professional goals at QR. It sounds like you realise that already which is a big start.
Wish you all the best.
Wish you all the best.
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i don think it ll b a better place ..it was crap before he came its only gotten better...cant imagine without him to b honest.lets b practical...u may call the man conservative but again its doha we re livin in not vegas
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TCF...Congratulations....Given the choice of a solo row of the Atlantic Ocean and Qatar Airways desk job... I see you took the harder option.
Depending on your experiances as a pilot at previous airlines will depend your depth of tolerance factor and your length of employment in the Gulf.
From your posts you seem to be making all the right noises as far as crews are concerned and you are well aware of the need to go with the flow and roll with the punches...the problem will be if you have a burning desire to achieve anything....anything that is other than a monthly pay cheque and investing offshore your UK pension in a taxfree climate.
You will be well advised to get your nonresidence from the UK tax system confirmed in writing by the UK tax man...if you do not have a written contract of employment you could find he considers you still Uk resident for years.
Danger lurks.... if you get seriously ill... you have to hope that Qatar Airways like you enough to fly you out to the UK for treatment...i.e. dump you back from wence you came.... you could find (like my friend Rad Gammage did at Gulf Air that they do not...but then he had only done 31years service for them as pilot.
If dumped back in the UK you will have to pay fully the NHS for any hospital treatment because you have been nonresident UK the previous tax year...the NHS will ask you to prove your residency for free treatment if you cannot they will charge you mega bucks and if you claim residency the Tax man has got you.
You would be well adviced to note the Ģ amount of medical insurance you "might" be allowed in your contract..if you have an old pilot health breakdown "event" healthwise in 40degrees C OAT.
You sound the sort of nice sociable type of Uk guy who would jog and play sports etc in such conditions.
The UK tax man will always wish you to prove... if you were resident or non resident...this is a pain if all the time you "thought" you were offshore and non resident.
You might be better advised to establish a tax residentcy in the IOM and show yourself based there and pay tax there... which will be minimal and also retain your NHS cover and have your UK state pension payed into the IOM and start working on your UK domicile change to mitigate future IHTand sell up everythying in the UK.
You sound nice enough to be divorced as all real pilots are....if you are taking the second/third young wife there (your age minus 25yearsish) and any kids that need education to Qatar your employment is unlikely to be cost effective.
If you have always lived in the UK your life is about to slowly get very interesting in the wrong direction....hats off to you if you achieve three years plus of flying a desk in Qatar and manage to return a non racist and not extreame right wing this will indeed be an achievement...the good news is you will appreciate the UK/IOM more for a few months on your return.
We had loads of guys arrive with your keeness at GF to fly desks in retirement
on BA/Cathay/Air Newzland pensions...most did not make twelve months...one we considered a terminal basket case and clinically dead on arrival managed two years then died within days of returning to NZ.
Probably you do not want to go this route.... anyway whatever you chose I wish you good luck..just remember ...Your Contract terms and conditions mean very little East of Dover and are considered by Arab employers of expats as a point from which to ratchet down after you have made the move to the Gulf.
Depending on your experiances as a pilot at previous airlines will depend your depth of tolerance factor and your length of employment in the Gulf.
From your posts you seem to be making all the right noises as far as crews are concerned and you are well aware of the need to go with the flow and roll with the punches...the problem will be if you have a burning desire to achieve anything....anything that is other than a monthly pay cheque and investing offshore your UK pension in a taxfree climate.
You will be well advised to get your nonresidence from the UK tax system confirmed in writing by the UK tax man...if you do not have a written contract of employment you could find he considers you still Uk resident for years.
Danger lurks.... if you get seriously ill... you have to hope that Qatar Airways like you enough to fly you out to the UK for treatment...i.e. dump you back from wence you came.... you could find (like my friend Rad Gammage did at Gulf Air that they do not...but then he had only done 31years service for them as pilot.
If dumped back in the UK you will have to pay fully the NHS for any hospital treatment because you have been nonresident UK the previous tax year...the NHS will ask you to prove your residency for free treatment if you cannot they will charge you mega bucks and if you claim residency the Tax man has got you.
You would be well adviced to note the Ģ amount of medical insurance you "might" be allowed in your contract..if you have an old pilot health breakdown "event" healthwise in 40degrees C OAT.
You sound the sort of nice sociable type of Uk guy who would jog and play sports etc in such conditions.
The UK tax man will always wish you to prove... if you were resident or non resident...this is a pain if all the time you "thought" you were offshore and non resident.
You might be better advised to establish a tax residentcy in the IOM and show yourself based there and pay tax there... which will be minimal and also retain your NHS cover and have your UK state pension payed into the IOM and start working on your UK domicile change to mitigate future IHTand sell up everythying in the UK.
You sound nice enough to be divorced as all real pilots are....if you are taking the second/third young wife there (your age minus 25yearsish) and any kids that need education to Qatar your employment is unlikely to be cost effective.
If you have always lived in the UK your life is about to slowly get very interesting in the wrong direction....hats off to you if you achieve three years plus of flying a desk in Qatar and manage to return a non racist and not extreame right wing this will indeed be an achievement...the good news is you will appreciate the UK/IOM more for a few months on your return.
We had loads of guys arrive with your keeness at GF to fly desks in retirement
on BA/Cathay/Air Newzland pensions...most did not make twelve months...one we considered a terminal basket case and clinically dead on arrival managed two years then died within days of returning to NZ.
Probably you do not want to go this route.... anyway whatever you chose I wish you good luck..just remember ...Your Contract terms and conditions mean very little East of Dover and are considered by Arab employers of expats as a point from which to ratchet down after you have made the move to the Gulf.
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All the best TheChitterneFlyer. I smell leadership in the air capable of synergy.
That's exactly what the Arab world can't cope with. Beware of becoming too popular and stealing the show from AAB as that's a death sentence. Maneuverability on the minefield in the flight operations is vital. Anyhow welcome and good luck.
That's exactly what the Arab world can't cope with. Beware of becoming too popular and stealing the show from AAB as that's a death sentence. Maneuverability on the minefield in the flight operations is vital. Anyhow welcome and good luck.
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Jez guys let it go. The old fart was happy and felt pride once again. So be it.
No point of reasoning at ll. If a greaser makes some folks happy without them knowing the specs..... who cares?? it all went alright the rest is up to gatekeepers. It's service industry in the end. We have to play the game sometimes too.
TheChitterneFlyer welcome mate... mission impossible 4 but you're up to the challenge as far as I can see. You can count on me at least.
No point of reasoning at ll. If a greaser makes some folks happy without them knowing the specs..... who cares?? it all went alright the rest is up to gatekeepers. It's service industry in the end. We have to play the game sometimes too.
TheChitterneFlyer welcome mate... mission impossible 4 but you're up to the challenge as far as I can see. You can count on me at least.
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SNAM,
And you know for sure that the guy FLOATED,
As i said, could be SKILL,
...
Cpt Off The Hook,
Just think that we as Professionals like to an do our best everyday,
( Not for the old Fart)
OFF TO,
RnR.
And you know for sure that the guy FLOATED,
As i said, could be SKILL,
...
Cpt Off The Hook,
Just think that we as Professionals like to an do our best everyday,
( Not for the old Fart)
OFF TO,
RnR.
QR
Hi Guys,
Would it be possible to know what the take home pay is for a Capt at QR? On their web site they mention 48,700 QAR, is that including accommodation?
What about the medical, is it paid for by the company?
I saw that QR will be conducting interviews in Colombo would any of you guys know why?????
Thank you in advance for the info....
Would it be possible to know what the take home pay is for a Capt at QR? On their web site they mention 48,700 QAR, is that including accommodation?
What about the medical, is it paid for by the company?
I saw that QR will be conducting interviews in Colombo would any of you guys know why?????
Thank you in advance for the info....
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48700.. includes House allowance.
Substract 12.300 Q.R/Month for a CPt if you take company accomodation.
Medical ..not paid by the company except the first one.
The important think here is not what you can take home monthly..but rather what you can SAVE monthly.(donīt forget..No pension here, if you think for the long term..)
Substract 12.300 Q.R/Month for a CPt if you take company accomodation.
Medical ..not paid by the company except the first one.
The important think here is not what you can take home monthly..but rather what you can SAVE monthly.(donīt forget..No pension here, if you think for the long term..)
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have been lucky up to now thanks god, not been sick yet..but heard thatthis company insurance only work in a few place in doha (the cheepest one.., and not the one that give you the best treatment:doha clinic for example..),what happens if i go to another center:expensive one..thatīs usually the one who give you a better treatment.
..even here good medical care is a Luxury 
(like paying 1000QR to go to a good dentist....,is this refund...?)
..even here good medical care is a Luxury (like paying 1000QR to go to a good dentist....,is this refund...?)
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Medical is covered by QR for you and your family except dental and eyecare..
Some clinics/hospitals do accept the Allianz card some don't... what I did to those hospitals that doesn't accept the card was pay up front then claim back from QR...mind tho' it'll take months before you'll get refunded...
Dental only emergency cases will be covered.. and that's only half of what you're billed..
Class one medical is not covered, and recently new rules has been passed those over 40 only need to do medical once a year
But to cover the expenses loosed by Dr Al Namaa medical bill for all has been increase to about Qr500
Some clinics/hospitals do accept the Allianz card some don't... what I did to those hospitals that doesn't accept the card was pay up front then claim back from QR...mind tho' it'll take months before you'll get refunded...
Dental only emergency cases will be covered.. and that's only half of what you're billed..
Class one medical is not covered, and recently new rules has been passed those over 40 only need to do medical once a year
But to cover the expenses loosed by Dr Al Namaa medical bill for all has been increase to about Qr500
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Regarding the medical insurance....
You are fully covered everywhere in Doha, as well in the expensive places.
The only difference is that Doha Clinic for example will pay all the expenses instantly while some other places will ask you to pay the bill and you claim afterwards the amount from the insurance company.
The insurance is very good inside your area of coverage and your table of benefits....
WATCH OUT!
Not covered are:
Ophtalmological costs such as glasses.
Dental ( expect emergency dental care)
All costs related to pregnancies, deliveries or any costs related to complications of these.
Another thing to remember is that this is NOT a group insurance. As far as I know, in case you would be fired due to a medical reason ( remember e.g. that any form of malign cancer is a reason to revoke your class 1 medical) you instantly loose your medical coverage as QR would seize the payments in your name instantly.
Just my theory as I havent found anybody yet in HR or at Allianz who was willing to confirm or deny this untill now.
So all in all, rather good insurance but with a few rather large pitfalls...
Hope this helps
You are fully covered everywhere in Doha, as well in the expensive places.
The only difference is that Doha Clinic for example will pay all the expenses instantly while some other places will ask you to pay the bill and you claim afterwards the amount from the insurance company.
The insurance is very good inside your area of coverage and your table of benefits....
WATCH OUT!
Not covered are:
Ophtalmological costs such as glasses.
Dental ( expect emergency dental care)
All costs related to pregnancies, deliveries or any costs related to complications of these.
Another thing to remember is that this is NOT a group insurance. As far as I know, in case you would be fired due to a medical reason ( remember e.g. that any form of malign cancer is a reason to revoke your class 1 medical) you instantly loose your medical coverage as QR would seize the payments in your name instantly.
Just my theory as I havent found anybody yet in HR or at Allianz who was willing to confirm or deny this untill now.
So all in all, rather good insurance but with a few rather large pitfalls...
Hope this helps
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Hi,
I work in the states as a captain on the 320 series and have an interview with QR in march could anyone give me a real pic of what to expect and upgrade time on 320 or 330 how do you get treated and how much flight time a month and days off cost of living etc etc
cheers
I work in the states as a captain on the 320 series and have an interview with QR in march could anyone give me a real pic of what to expect and upgrade time on 320 or 330 how do you get treated and how much flight time a month and days off cost of living etc etc
cheers
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All the best TheChitterneFlyer. I smell leadership in the air capable of synergy.
That's exactly what the Arab world can't cope with. Beware of becoming too popular and stealing the show from AAB as that's a death sentence.
That's exactly what the Arab world can't cope with. Beware of becoming too popular and stealing the show from AAB as that's a death sentence.
For you, all the good luck that you are certainly going to need.
PS: The Chittern Flyer, no offence to you sir, but Cavelino would have been a better choice for such a ****ty job. The Goat King knows he will blow, he has nowhere else to go.