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Emirates dropping requirements

Old 1st Oct 2007, 10:40
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Emirates dropping requirements

This weeks Flight has a new style add from EK stipulating the 4000/2000 hrs jet requirement but then says that pilots within 500 hours of either of these totals will be considered.. fair enough and about time given their expansion plans, but why not just drop requirements to 3500/1500 jet??

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 10:52
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For that matter, why require actual jet time at all? You have to fly your first jet somewhere, why not here?

If they dropped that requirement, they would get a whole lot of interest from experienced Turb-prop guys.

Maybe they might have to specify a little longer to upgrade (I personally don't think they would need to), but it would still attract a lot of good guys.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 11:52
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If they dropped that requirement, they would get a whole lot of interest from experienced Turb-prop guys.
Ah yes, from a 1900 to a 777 in one little leap. Makes perfect sense
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 12:35
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Well, they do it with ab initio locals and if someone questions that, he will be on a outgoing one way flight .....
So why shouldn't 1900 or 2000 jockeys be able to be trained on a 777?
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 12:55
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Ab initios get a lot of training, lots of sectors and simulator. By and large the guys are good when they finish. New joiners, expats now get standard sim check, check checking, not much training. Then they get a whacking great
allowance of 10 sectors line training on type

B1900 to 777-300ER, hmmmm. No wonder i've had to rescue the odd landing from newly released to line FO's

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 13:16
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Agree.
So it's comes down a matter of training. With it you can make any pilot legal (to whatever any GCAA muppet deems necessary). And i never contested that. Maybe prop guys just need that little extra and they're fine.
Concerning your other comment, EK seems to breed a lot of heroes. Some save the poor passengers from underperforming FO's and many, many others save them from absolutely incompetent DEC's.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 13:54
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Actually i agree with EGGW and GMDS, but what about the lots and lots of guys with 1000 - 2000 hrs on A320's or 737's or even EMB's? I just don't see the point for the 4000 TT!
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 14:18
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Turboprop

Why should a turboprop pilot not be able to fly as an FO on a B777. Didn't we all fly piston or turboprops at one time? All the airlines in the US hire from their regional turboprop fleets.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 14:59
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All the airlines in the US hire from their regional turboprop fleets.
True, but how many place them directly on their heavies?

Even the retired Air Force/Navy pilots/aviators tend to start on their 737/MD80/320 fleets.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 15:02
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The problem is that it's not quite the same going from a domestic turboprop to an international jet as it is going from a domestic turboprop to a domestic jet. The problem isn't the guys who with the right training should have no problem if they are reasonably competent. The problem is the amount of training that the company is willing to give them. There is absolutely no analysis of entry level skill sets when designing training curricula here. They simply look at what they are willing to pay for and impose those limits on the training department, whether it makes sense or not.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 16:01
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I say increase the hours....I definately say for DEC, only recuit them if they are type rated on Ek aircraft or at the very least have experiance outside of there own backyard!! The reason I say increase the hours for FOs is because they have to fly with the incompetant DECs!
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 16:50
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Why should a turboprop pilot not be able to fly as an FO on a B777
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I wonder how many turboprop pilots can tell you a thing about ETOPS, the NATS, or even basic HF communications...
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 17:06
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Anyone knows how long is the wait to reapply for an F/O position.
Is it still 2 years?

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 18:42
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777-200LR,

I would suggest about the same number as the CRJ/ERJ, 146, 737, DC9 etc etc drivers we have here at the moment. Do you really think these things are a stopper?

A new joiner now will get a command with aeroplane number 200ish, so I would think they will have a few years in which to work out how to avoid talking to Bombay on HF.

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 19:01
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Just curious should all pilots be happy for the guys who get a break? Let the compant worry about their training that is their JOB. P.S not sure but are we flying rocket ships?? Ans took me about 5 mins to figure out HF.
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Old 2nd Oct 2007, 05:39
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We are happy for the guys to get a break, it's just the standard of people we sometimes get.

Some of the places we fly over and to are not for the faint hearted, at 0300 over certain parts of the world you need to have both pilots on their game should something go wrong
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