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I've read all the posts regarding Qatar, Emirates and Eithad but I am yet to find an updated pay scale (as of September 2007)
What is the take home pay for First officer on a330 and b777?
Any help would be great
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What is the take home pay for First officer on a330 and b777?
Any help would be great
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That is from the Emirates career web-site:
Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 20,840 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
On promotion to Captain, a pilot's salary is increased by ten steps. The minimum initial salary on promotion to Captain is Dhs 29,750 per month.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 325.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 35 per block hour. For example, a First Officer flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 2,625 as Flying Pay.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions – however End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 10,565 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided to spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 20,840 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
On promotion to Captain, a pilot's salary is increased by ten steps. The minimum initial salary on promotion to Captain is Dhs 29,750 per month.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 325.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 35 per block hour. For example, a First Officer flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 2,625 as Flying Pay.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions – however End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 10,565 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided to spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
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Many thanks Whatgoesup.
I have read all the company sites regarding what they pay.
I was actually after what FO's are actually pocketing (average) every month in US dollars
I have read all the company sites regarding what they pay.
I was actually after what FO's are actually pocketing (average) every month in US dollars
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A330 driver F/O in EY would get on average 29000-31000aed. Maybe more if cross rated on A340. Convert it to your own currency....
And none of the traffic woes of Dubai....yet.
And none of the traffic woes of Dubai....yet.
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When comparing EK with other don't forget the 12.5% Provident fund contribution by company towards your package The other deductions of 5% Provident fund contribtion is in fact a saving , car loan ( its interest free) the Club membership ( EPC Voluntary but highly recommeended) . Other extras are the profits share ( not guaranteed , but is genarally given ) and the annual increment ( also not guaranteed but has been given) .
For crew who have kids or intend to ;don't ever underestimate the value of the education allowance. If you are provided comapany accommodation, take it as the allowance will not usually get you a comparable accommodation in Dubai.When in company accommodation you dont' have to worry for utilities and maintenance issues.
EY may seem to provide a higher pay packet but I'm sure you will find that in hand they would have to pay out of their own pocket to stay in a villa or the type of accomodation "generally provided" to EK crew. If you are married with kids you are eligible for a villa and if you are single or married without kids you get an apartment. If you are Capt you are entitled for a Villa either ways.
If you have a family EK is a probably a safer bet; Life Style, Educational institiutions , EK Medical / Clinic and Dubai Social life is more geared towards the Expats more so than Abu Dhabi
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For crew who have kids or intend to ;don't ever underestimate the value of the education allowance. If you are provided comapany accommodation, take it as the allowance will not usually get you a comparable accommodation in Dubai.When in company accommodation you dont' have to worry for utilities and maintenance issues.
EY may seem to provide a higher pay packet but I'm sure you will find that in hand they would have to pay out of their own pocket to stay in a villa or the type of accomodation "generally provided" to EK crew. If you are married with kids you are eligible for a villa and if you are single or married without kids you get an apartment. If you are Capt you are entitled for a Villa either ways.
If you have a family EK is a probably a safer bet; Life Style, Educational institiutions , EK Medical / Clinic and Dubai Social life is more geared towards the Expats more so than Abu Dhabi
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Hmm,For Qatar Airways:
First of all for the currency:
(qatari riyal =(mor or less) UAE dihram)
1U$=3.65QR
F/0 ;
-Basic for new joiner: 18000 QR,(3% annual increase)
-Flying allowance 90QR/Schedule block. (330:....80..90h/month)
-Accomodation 10.000QR/month (don´t expect to find a decent villa in doha for such a price but rather around 15000..).
Or accomodation provided by company(if available and if convenient to you, but for F/O company provides only an 2 or 3 bedrooms appartement, and not very high standard...).
-Medical insurance yes but i think it´s very cheap one...!So in most of the case don´t excpect to be cover in case you loose your licence.
-End of service benefit: 3 weeks of the monthly basic salary/year,
Become 4 weeks after 5 years.
-leave:42 days/year
-Sick leave:2 week/year..after that they start cutting into your salary.
-No profit share-no provident fund-no pension.
-No transport and no parking for us to come to work.,but transport allowance :1500 QR/month
- school fees: up to 50.000QR/year/family
(not aware of the school fees in doha but if you have 2 or 3 kids those 50000 qR wouldn´t be enough),and first you should find a school in Doha..another challenge...)
Qatar airways has always had bid ambition regarding expansion plan, but unfortunatly no ambition at all(a just a few) for the welfare of the crew...
Wich sounds to me contradictory...
Cheers.
First of all for the currency:
(qatari riyal =(mor or less) UAE dihram)
1U$=3.65QR
F/0 ;
-Basic for new joiner: 18000 QR,(3% annual increase)
-Flying allowance 90QR/Schedule block. (330:....80..90h/month)
-Accomodation 10.000QR/month (don´t expect to find a decent villa in doha for such a price but rather around 15000..).
Or accomodation provided by company(if available and if convenient to you, but for F/O company provides only an 2 or 3 bedrooms appartement, and not very high standard...).
-Medical insurance yes but i think it´s very cheap one...!So in most of the case don´t excpect to be cover in case you loose your licence.
-End of service benefit: 3 weeks of the monthly basic salary/year,
Become 4 weeks after 5 years.
-leave:42 days/year
-Sick leave:2 week/year..after that they start cutting into your salary.
-No profit share-no provident fund-no pension.
-No transport and no parking for us to come to work.,but transport allowance :1500 QR/month
- school fees: up to 50.000QR/year/family
(not aware of the school fees in doha but if you have 2 or 3 kids those 50000 qR wouldn´t be enough),and first you should find a school in Doha..another challenge...)
Qatar airways has always had bid ambition regarding expansion plan, but unfortunatly no ambition at all(a just a few) for the welfare of the crew...
Wich sounds to me contradictory...
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Company travel
What policies do your Companies have about sending you out to pick up a plane , i.e on a commercial flt during Company time?
Do you travel 1st,business or cattle?
Do they split the crew, i.e do they put the cabin crew in 1st and rest in economy or are you all lumped together?
Would really appreciate some inputs from different Companies.
VTSP
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Do you travel 1st,business or cattle?
Do they split the crew, i.e do they put the cabin crew in 1st and rest in economy or are you all lumped together?
Would really appreciate some inputs from different Companies.
VTSP
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Did some research on the pay package. At this stage in time, EK is the lowest paid per month when compared with EY and Gulf. But surely I dont think this will go on very long. Cos everyone is short of pilots in the ME. So surely something got to give. So if EK want the amount of pilots they want, I would think they have to up the $$$$$
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This doesn't help.
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles.../10155587.html
Reconsider the salaries in light of further currency decline....
Its about to get very expensive. After you've paid a lot more just to meet the bills there's not going to be much left to convert into home currencies most of which are now at historically high rates.
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles.../10155587.html
Reconsider the salaries in light of further currency decline....
Its about to get very expensive. After you've paid a lot more just to meet the bills there's not going to be much left to convert into home currencies most of which are now at historically high rates.
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Sorry Hmm...When i was mentioning medical insurance in my post.. i was wrong but rather LOL: the lost of licence insurance.
There is a medical insurance as well mainly covering hospitalisation.
There is a medical insurance as well mainly covering hospitalisation.
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Just consider that inflation has been the highest in these two countries. Officially around 9% to 10%, if you consider housing and the local distortion factor, you end up closer to 15%, even 18%.
EK gave a 7%, resp. 8% raise the last two years, add to that the annual 3% raise (both if you behave well and don't s***w up).
Now add to that the 15% decline of the dirham vs. most stable currencies the last 12 months and you will realise that Pay Scales are NEGATIVE around here, unless your savings go across the pond in greenbacks. The rulers are not too concerned about that, inflation hits mostly expats who send money home or still have settlements there, so it will hardly change within the next months. Only if they run short of newcomers in all industries.
Your choice lads, we who are stuck here have to sit it out, hoping one day will show improvement and we can ship back what little we could put aside here. You however can still decide if you want to pay that much to fly bigger jets or add that stripe.
EK gave a 7%, resp. 8% raise the last two years, add to that the annual 3% raise (both if you behave well and don't s***w up).
Now add to that the 15% decline of the dirham vs. most stable currencies the last 12 months and you will realise that Pay Scales are NEGATIVE around here, unless your savings go across the pond in greenbacks. The rulers are not too concerned about that, inflation hits mostly expats who send money home or still have settlements there, so it will hardly change within the next months. Only if they run short of newcomers in all industries.
Your choice lads, we who are stuck here have to sit it out, hoping one day will show improvement and we can ship back what little we could put aside here. You however can still decide if you want to pay that much to fly bigger jets or add that stripe.
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Just that little article in the GulfNews to add......for all you guys wanting to join us in the sandpit.
Dubai: Across the Gulf, inflation is surpassing wage increases, leading to a significant erosion of purchasing power and this phenomenon is expected to continue for a few years, according to economists. "The average cost-of-living increases were the highest in the UAE, Kuwait and Qatar, and have outpaced annual wage gains by more than 14 per cent, 10 per cent, and 9 per cent, respectively, signalling an acute deterioration of local buying power. (…) According to recent data, Qatar's inflation increased to 14.8 per cent year-on-year in the first quarter before declining to 12.8 per cent in the second quarter. The country will have a problem containing rent inflation until additional housing supply comes online, but that is not expected until 2009. In the UAE, official inflation reached 9.3 per cent in 2006, also driven by the rent component, closely followed by soaring food prices. (…) Faced with a combination of the falling purchasing power of Gulf currencies and the appreciation of currencies of their home countries, expatriates living in the region are facing huge financial losses.
(whole article> http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Economy/10157093.html)
Dubai: Across the Gulf, inflation is surpassing wage increases, leading to a significant erosion of purchasing power and this phenomenon is expected to continue for a few years, according to economists. "The average cost-of-living increases were the highest in the UAE, Kuwait and Qatar, and have outpaced annual wage gains by more than 14 per cent, 10 per cent, and 9 per cent, respectively, signalling an acute deterioration of local buying power. (…) According to recent data, Qatar's inflation increased to 14.8 per cent year-on-year in the first quarter before declining to 12.8 per cent in the second quarter. The country will have a problem containing rent inflation until additional housing supply comes online, but that is not expected until 2009. In the UAE, official inflation reached 9.3 per cent in 2006, also driven by the rent component, closely followed by soaring food prices. (…) Faced with a combination of the falling purchasing power of Gulf currencies and the appreciation of currencies of their home countries, expatriates living in the region are facing huge financial losses.
(whole article> http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Economy/10157093.html)
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...indeed..Is this kind of economy sustainable for the long term....??
People shloud be very carefull before even think of joining the gulf area, expecially when company like Q.A. mention the salary in U$ (fix rate vs Riyal...
)..as U$ Is sinking dramaticly every day.....
Think twice.
Cheers.
People shloud be very carefull before even think of joining the gulf area, expecially when company like Q.A. mention the salary in U$ (fix rate vs Riyal...)..as U$ Is sinking dramaticly every day.....Think twice.
Cheers.
