"Command Interview" bunk
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"Command Interview" bunk
First off, I didn't had a problem going through the Command Interview. I DID, and STILL DO have an issue that everyone simply HAS to go through this silly tap-dance (which is so endemic in the ME region). Sorry to resort to acronyms, but...WTF?!
Aren't the line-checks, sim-checks, normal flights, etc, sufficient in the ME like they are elsewhere in the world to see how someone is coming along and ready for command?? Why are ME companies so fixated on this?
Why can't a professional aviator who happens to be working in the ME simply be slotted for upgrade training without having to go through this exercise (and the lame reason "because everyone else here had to!" is utter hog-wash!)??
Silly. That's all the “interview” is. Yet EVERYONE around the SandBox DOES it!
…Rant over.
~ R.D.
Aren't the line-checks, sim-checks, normal flights, etc, sufficient in the ME like they are elsewhere in the world to see how someone is coming along and ready for command?? Why are ME companies so fixated on this?
Why can't a professional aviator who happens to be working in the ME simply be slotted for upgrade training without having to go through this exercise (and the lame reason "because everyone else here had to!" is utter hog-wash!)??
Silly. That's all the “interview” is. Yet EVERYONE around the SandBox DOES it!
…Rant over.
~ R.D.
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Congratulations on passing your command interview Ray.....
to be fair, it's not entirely a bad idea. A few guys were ill prepared for their upgrade and could not answer some FOM related questions etc. This might have affected the outcome of their course later on. They were asked to go back to the books and then re-interviewed, successfully. Hence the chance of an eventual failure was reduced, which I think is a good thing.
Not something that previous line checks and sim checks would neccessarily pick up.
Fire away.......
to be fair, it's not entirely a bad idea. A few guys were ill prepared for their upgrade and could not answer some FOM related questions etc. This might have affected the outcome of their course later on. They were asked to go back to the books and then re-interviewed, successfully. Hence the chance of an eventual failure was reduced, which I think is a good thing.
Not something that previous line checks and sim checks would neccessarily pick up.
Fire away.......
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Hey Sirs,
seems that the merry go round in QR got some inertia and the whole management changes (surprisingly, ha,ha) and maybe this issue is another item that made the decision by the big one to swap the "big guys" even faster, doesn't matter anyhow who wears the loosers hat for a year since there is only one power that reigns.
Beautiful evening gentlemen
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seems that the merry go round in QR got some inertia and the whole management changes (surprisingly, ha,ha) and maybe this issue is another item that made the decision by the big one to swap the "big guys" even faster, doesn't matter anyhow who wears the loosers hat for a year since there is only one power that reigns.
Beautiful evening gentlemen
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I cant believe Ray can even spell command interview
myself included, cant understand how a company cant figure out after 10 yrs or more of service whether the candidate is suited or not....
myself included, cant understand how a company cant figure out after 10 yrs or more of service whether the candidate is suited or not....
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Harrr...Matey... (aka Hook) ...and any other Pirate-wannabe's...
I NEVER SAID I DID the Interview... I might be one of them DEC's, ya know! ...I might have done the interview just the same. Thanks for the congrads.
Many people want to know WHY most, if not ALL, of the airlines around Knoteetingham INSIST they must do this pesky "interview" versus grooming the new boys with periodic assessments along the way as they progress towards the left seat?? THAT SHOULD include what everyone should know from the FOM, amongst other things. Training/checking??
This regional interview "policy" as rather antiquated and well past it's "best before" date!
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I NEVER SAID I DID the Interview... I might be one of them DEC's, ya know!
...I might have done the interview just the same. Thanks for the congrads.Many people want to know WHY most, if not ALL, of the airlines around Knoteetingham INSIST they must do this pesky "interview" versus grooming the new boys with periodic assessments along the way as they progress towards the left seat?? THAT SHOULD include what everyone should know from the FOM, amongst other things. Training/checking??
This regional interview "policy" as rather antiquated and well past it's "best before" date!
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Trust me Ray is looking forward to his command interview at some cold frozen tundra/perma frost-based airline as we speak..spraying himself with copious amounts of 6-12 skeeter repellant..but seriously...surely the industry leading AQP program that sets the standards for all future airline training we have in place here at GF could render this procedure obsolete....
..but seriously...surely the industry leading AQP program that sets the standards for all future airline training we have in place here at GF could render this procedure obsolete....
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Of course, the way around 'command' interviews is to recruit direct entry Commanders in the first place...saves all the agro for the present First Officers...
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
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Why is it that Pilots think they are exempt for interview, and rely on seniority, or sim checks etc. The rest of the world has to apply / have interviews etc.
Might it be these days politically correct to do so, in theory with the new discrimination rules anyone can apply for a position, from the man at the top of the "list" expecting the call, to the man at the bottom with the hours etc.
Welcome to the real world, and Europe by the way
Might it be these days politically correct to do so, in theory with the new discrimination rules anyone can apply for a position, from the man at the top of the "list" expecting the call, to the man at the bottom with the hours etc.
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no problem with the interview depending on the content. If you are asking questions about FOM I think this is dumb. You would expect someone to have a general knowledge of this but is this not what ITC or intro to command course is for??? I think the interview should be solely based on CRM and Decision making things that are much harder to teach and come with experience and natural skills. just my personal view
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I find it utterly bizarre that a DEC can wonder in EK, with zero knowledge of EK's FOM and ops specs, be given the controls of the big jet and off he goes. While a F/O who has been here for several years, had several PPCs, several line checks, etc. has to be quized on have committed to memory the RVRs for a LVO takeoff. Or what is considered for acclimation, etc. If the trainers or whomever can't determine after 3 years someone is capable of command, what the hell is a FOM interview going to prove? One of the more weirder things in this place.
And remember girls, if the minimum wasn't good enough.....there wouldn't be a minimum. 2s?
And remember girls, if the minimum wasn't good enough.....there wouldn't be a minimum. 2s?
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I find it really amazing that we pilot became so unthankfull that we like to complain about every possible thing that come across into our life. let it be the money or the hotels we stay or the food we eat, custom, security, ATC, management etc... we all can fill many pages on this list.now some us dont want the command interviews... so whats next? may be to abolish the simulator checks followed by the medical checks? or stop wearing uniforms and show up for duty in shorts and underwears? I agree that we all want better standard of life but with all honesty dont you guys think we tend to complain too much about too many things??? Dont you guys think that we have stopped appreciating good things that we have them in our lives?
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If you read my initial post, I meant that the interview actually benefits the trainee. As I said, some guys (thankfully few) show up without having made too much prep and hopefully this would be picked up at the interview and remedied, at no cost to the trainee (bar a couple of afternoons during his/her day off!) and a subtle message to pull one's socks up for what lies ahead.
Good idea to include these (and I believe they already are) but improvement on these issues will come during the ground course, the sim and the line training flights.
THIS is what previous linechecks and sims are supposed to have done, not the interview.
Never said memorised. But, you agree with me, a good knowledge is important.
That's what the sim is for.....
So, so true. I actually think DEC's should be interviewed for their FOM knowledge before being released to the line. With all their previous experience, many don't know company requirements and have to depend on the F/Os for this - not a good state of affairs.
Totally disagree - the past few years has shown a far higher success rate with upgrading experienced F/Os than employing DECs....our F/Os are employed as future captains, and bar the odd one or two, make great left seaters. Stop the DEC policy and you'll save a lot of agro for EVERYBODY.
) and a subtle message to pull one's socks up for what lies ahead.
I think the interview should be solely based on CRM and Decision making
I thought the interview process was supposed to decide if you were Captain material or not
Having a good working knowledge of the FOM is essential. Memorizing it is stupid.
There are many guys/girls around that can recite the FOM, chapter and verse, but have them fly the airplane without the autopilot, they go TU!
I find it utterly bizarre that a DEC can wonder in EK, with zero knowledge of EK's FOM and ops specs, be given the controls of the big jet and off he goes.
Of course, the way around 'command' interviews is to recruit direct entry Commanders in the first place...saves all the agro for the present First Officers...
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Hey FD,
I agree, I think we should all gather around a nice campfire in the desert and sing "Kumbaya". Hey, or maybe "Puff the Magic Dragon". That will always put a smile on a 5 year old's face.
Read the friggin' posts, pal. No one is saying do away with checks and balances, what they are saying is this archaic, bizarre oral exam on a FOM, that is not applied equally across the board, is a bit much. Know how to locate and disseminate the information, not memorize what's on page 14-12 or whatever. If an airline's training program is so lax that after three or so years it is not known whether or not an individual is ready for an upgrade, they have bigger issues in their training than whether or not someone can memorize flight time duty. Discuss something meaningful, like what to do with a Pollyanna first officer that will accept and do whatever some unseen controller will tell him to do, safe or not.
I need to go to the beach....Hey maybe there's a campfire going there. Marshmellows maybe. Oh I can't wait..Maybe singing and dancing on how perfect everything is. I'm losing it.....
I agree, I think we should all gather around a nice campfire in the desert and sing "Kumbaya". Hey, or maybe "Puff the Magic Dragon". That will always put a smile on a 5 year old's face.
Read the friggin' posts, pal. No one is saying do away with checks and balances, what they are saying is this archaic, bizarre oral exam on a FOM, that is not applied equally across the board, is a bit much. Know how to locate and disseminate the information, not memorize what's on page 14-12 or whatever. If an airline's training program is so lax that after three or so years it is not known whether or not an individual is ready for an upgrade, they have bigger issues in their training than whether or not someone can memorize flight time duty. Discuss something meaningful, like what to do with a Pollyanna first officer that will accept and do whatever some unseen controller will tell him to do, safe or not.
I need to go to the beach....Hey maybe there's a campfire going there. Marshmellows maybe. Oh I can't wait..Maybe singing and dancing on how perfect everything is. I'm losing it.....
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Sometimes genius can be found in the most simple of minds. I think your idea of shorts and sandals is a great idea NO FD NO SRS and I always wanted to wear one of those legionaires caps and sand goggles too. Good thinking bro, I hate englishmans clothes too, lets all moan about the uniform!!!
Mate... what does NO FD NO SRS mean anyway? No Free Delivery? No Salami & Rye Sandwiches?
No... You didn't turn off that little green light??? Bad boy, it's not safe to do that!
Mate... what does NO FD NO SRS mean anyway? No Free Delivery? No Salami & Rye Sandwiches?
No... You didn't turn off that little green light??? Bad boy, it's not safe to do that!
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Up to a point I am inclined to agree with NO FD no FRS. So what is the problem with a 'command interview'? Having done a few they are simply confirmation that you are ready, usually a few simple questions more on operational matters, (like Hijack etc.), than technical. More just a formality to let you know getting a command is a step up rather than just the logical progression of the seniority system and the roster, an opportunity for management to put faces to names, especially names that have just passed before them asking if, in their opinion, said individual was ready for command.
If you have a problem with a 'command interview' then maybe you are not yet ready?
If you have a problem with a 'command interview' then maybe you are not yet ready?
