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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 17th Jul 2012, 07:25
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@perritopiloto

What fleet type they were assigned at?

I mean ,if they have plenty of new joiners at e.g.A320 , now they are starting to be more demanding....

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Old 17th Jul 2012, 10:55
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Can someone explain me...

Hi all,

Everybody knows that a lot of ex-Spanair guys went to QR and started their training. And apparently the training takes much longer than expected. And this due to 2 reasons: lack of English knowledge and no experience on type.
Please correct me if I am wrong. I am just trying to figure out something.

Did those guys went through the same kind of assessment as most of us did? I.e. have a presentation about the company, give a brief introduction about yourself in English of course, have 50 ATPL questions in English, have an interview with 2 captains... in English, and have a sim ride... where the talking had to be done in ... English!

Let's be honest... lots of Spanish guys/girls don't speak English, but Spanglish. And I know this, because I did my integrated ATPL training in Spain. And I have nothing against them, I actually love Spain and everhing that goes with it. But their English level, well it isn't a 4.

So, if they did the exact same assessment as we all had to do, how did they pass the selection then? Or did QR just see an opportunity of hiring rated people on the A320, without assessing them properly? Or am I missing something else?

In the mean time, I am still waiting for the offer, after the good news in March.

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Old 17th Jul 2012, 11:12
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Yes they will have done the standard assessment, however it will probably have been done in Spain and the results issued quickly. I had heard that there were many more than the 100 or so that got in failed on the quality of their English.
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 01:53
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From my own experience as a non native english speaker, I’m making a clear distinction between two type of English. A basic one and a “sophisticated” one. The basic one is the one I faced during my initial training and the one I faced during the QR interview.No strong accent, normal rate of speech, simple dialogue and talks with people who want to talk to you in simple terms. So you are able to pass the interview assessment.
Now the “sophisticated” one is the one you will ear if someone put you in an Irish bar between two irish guys talking each other without any special effort and their natural rate of speech.Needless to say I’ll spend a hard time to understand at least 50% of what they are saying….
In europe of course, English is absolutely not the first language for many countries, so a huge extra effort is required by the one who want to become a pilot on the international field.That is not an easy task for many of us.

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Old 18th Jul 2012, 05:31
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Let's be honest, most of spanish pilots are poor quality pilots. Bad english level, bad pronunciation, lack of vocabulary and poor level of english comprehension. Furthermore, they all speak fast (bad and fast) and all of them tend to shout on the microphone. This is indeed what we may call spanglish. We can listen to them everyday (TNT, Ryanair, Vueling, Swiftair, Air Nostrum....)
Another issue with them is the low quality of flight training in spain. Poor IFR basic skills and the question banks are learnt by heart without any understanding.

Ex spanair guys joined their airline only because they knew a friend inside. They've never had to attend any sort of proper assessment in their pilot career.
Most of them applied to Emirates straight away, and they all failed and ended up in Qatar Airways.

Qatar Airways has lower terms and conditions and a higher pass rate compared to Emirates Airlines.

It is about time to think about it.

(I am spanish, btw, but I trained in the USA)

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Old 18th Jul 2012, 06:20
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Seasexsun,

Horrible of you to generalize and use the word "most".

Lots of them are qualified good pilots.
Even IF some passed with poor skills, QR has a very good standard of training when you're in the airline, and they won't tolerate bullshit from guys like you who think are the minority good Spanish pilots.

Some guys are good but want to act like they're the best, those won't last. Some are horrible, and they won't last either.
It's the good pilots that do their job, or the average ones that do theirs, are the ones that last here.
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 06:39
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I dont know how many have failed...these stories tend to get bigger as time goes on. The truth is usually buried somewhere in the middle.
It does seem that many of these post are starting to get quite negative which cant possibly be helpful.
I did have a chance to attend my assessment with 6 Spanair pilots....They all seemed very nice and spoke descent English. It seemed to me they would be nice guys to work with!

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Old 18th Jul 2012, 08:49
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Seasexsun,
Nice to hear that you are better pilot than me (for sure you are) only because you were trained in USA.
To be honest, I've met some spanish who trained in the USA and their english level...... Sure it was 't you
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 09:35
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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Seasexsun

What about the spanish that made it to EK?

Stop talking rubbish, I'm spanish and passed EK assessment with 5 more spanish. Same week that a UK F/O with his native english failed. Same for a US 747 captain again native english (btw he did it as a DEC in QR)

Flying skills? Send me PM, if you are spanish we can meet here and you can show me your above the standard level (apparently mine flying the 777-200 sim was not that bad) but hey! I trained in Spain so sure I'm wrong!
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 10:35
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Seasexsun (I am spanish, btw, but I trained in the USA)

Tu eres gilipo*las y te expresas tan bien en Ingles como para que ahora nadie tenga dudas al respecto.
In English now... You are a dumb a*s and you express yourself so well in english that nobody now has any doubts about it.


And a "little" aside for the "HOW THESE JKK GUYS MADE IT THRU?" people in here

JKKs pilots went thru a regular full assessment in MADRID and DOHA (Tech questions, Interview with 2 Captains plus HR people and regular sim assessment). By the way, tech questions were SOOOOO EASY (Standard QR Questions and not JKK tailored) that some of you guys should really think about bragging about having been tech tested by QR.

Just a couple of guys failed the interview because of their lack of commadn of English (not hundreds as someone pointed out). Will some others have English problems during training?... maybe!. An Interview in English is one thing. Having to survive on a Level 4 in a full English Airline is a different ball game. Most non English native speakers will fully understand what I am saying.

Fail rate during training because of non language issues... consistent with the fail rate in any other group of 150 individuals. So, pls, don´t go about making an issue of something which is purely statistical.

And give the guys a Break... I fully understand how annoyed some of you guys might be as many of you are very eager and even in need to join QR. After months of waiting (lengthy process) it seems very unfair to be put in the "Pool of Talent" to give way to JKK but just keep in mind who runs the show. We all deserve respect so, pls, think before typing.

Regards and may all your wishes come true

WSA
JKK myself? yes... but not in QR.

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Old 18th Jul 2012, 11:51
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We're in for a wait...

Well.. I managed to speak to HR.. I've never had a particular problem getting through.. and they are always polite..

Today saw a noticeable shift in demeanor.. I was told that for the A320 the wait would be 'quite some time'.. when I gently pressed for that to be quantified.. it was 'I'm terribly sorry.. it will be quite some time.. and we hope for news from operations in the next week or so'...

Previously.. the responses had been somewhat more upbeat..

Sooo.. for me.. I'm going to get on with my life (I'm working).. and stop staring at my email account like a doe eyed puppy waiting for it's master to return..

It wasn't what I wanted to hear.. and I'm sure it's not what you wanted to hear..
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 16:14
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Grrr ...

its just really annoying ,ifyou have to wait for bunch of guys and then aft training they fail:
I mean didnt they fly the Bus ?
Is it so much different down at Qatar ?
not judging just a opinion
my 50 cents ...

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Old 18th Jul 2012, 23:52
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What do you expect when QR's HR function has been outsourced to Somalia?

Who knows, maybe the delay is due to the opening of 787 FO slots? Of course we have heard otherwise, but things seem to change quickly at QR... You never know...
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Old 19th Jul 2012, 09:40
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@ wind shear ahead....



'What did he say?' Brazilian pilots need crash course in English | SBS World News

hmmmmm.....
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Old 19th Jul 2012, 10:18
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Somebody

Does anybody know the direct email of the HR personnel in QR,.
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Old 20th Jul 2012, 10:23
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I,m sure you are very proffesional

First thing I,d like to know is your age, the second thing is your total flight hours, and finally the company in wich you are flying now.
I can see that this post was written by a stupid teen-aged "pilot".
Perhaps if you had a normal averaged common sense you would not have written so many stupid things.
Make a phone call to your biological father and try to have an appointment with the nearest child psychologist in your neigbourhood or company.
If you don,t understand my written english I can tell it to you via phone call.

In Spain we say: "AMIGO MIO ERES UN PERFECTO GILIPOLLAS, Y ESO QUE NO ENTRENAS..."
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Old 20th Jul 2012, 12:13
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Informative post AV8whore! Similar to what we have read on many QR roster posts. Expect to work hard when you come to QR.
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Old 20th Jul 2012, 14:09
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Hey pepeCRK, back off a bit mate. By all means address the points the guy made, but there is no need for a personal attack

And if you're wondering, this post was posted by a guy whose been flying far too long with a sh!t load of widebody command hours.
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Old 20th Jul 2012, 14:39
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@THRidle, i dont think pepeCRKs remarks were at AV8whore. I think they were at the poster who was bashing his countrymen.

@pepeCRK, please mention who your comments were addressed to, otherwise its assumed that they are addressed to the post directly before yours.
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Old 20th Jul 2012, 21:19
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I flew with lot of spanish guys plus i have a house in south of spain.. They are ok, some of them very professional, but i say that they are very lazy and they don't want to make any effort with their language or ..... it's just theirs nature..

I had to fly with some examiners many time that even slept before t/o ... and never could understand the language ... No effort, lot of mistake even from senior capts....

I was upset previously because of the delay they have made, i don't judge theirs skills but the language YES !!

Easy guys, any one can give his opinion, that's why it's called a forum...

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