Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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From: The Far Side
Am slow I know, but now figured out.... Sensitive New Age Muslim.
How cool!! Look at the big heart in SNAM!!!!
Do you pay your maid more than $300pm? And she only works 70 hours a week too I bet!
But are you the ultimate sensitive guy SNAM? Have you forsaken your legal right to punch your wife less hard than you would punch your brother??
(Whilst harsh, this post is relevant as these are very real issues for all who suffer in Qatar)
How cool!! Look at the big heart in SNAM!!!!
Do you pay your maid more than $300pm? And she only works 70 hours a week too I bet!
But are you the ultimate sensitive guy SNAM? Have you forsaken your legal right to punch your wife less hard than you would punch your brother??
(Whilst harsh, this post is relevant as these are very real issues for all who suffer in Qatar)
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From: on the rocks
Fellas what's that all about with emotional involvement cat and dog fights really no point whatsoever. No matter what we do or omit to do sandpit is what it is and never gonna change. Business is brutal and everyone gotta look after him self taking as much as he can giving only what's required. All in all slavery or not blah blah blah as long as it suits the purpose use and abuse as well as get used and abused. It's not a long term corporate identity investment or anything alike. Just pure exploitation of resources. No vision for future as far as personnel concerns.
Conclusion: F/O to the sandpit NO THANKS Captain yes. At least they can't fool around too much unless the next guy is ready knocking at the door with lots of Vaseline.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
P.S. btw 120 Eur for tank of gas really hearts but what hell!!!
Conclusion: F/O to the sandpit NO THANKS Captain yes. At least they can't fool around too much unless the next guy is ready knocking at the door with lots of Vaseline.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
P.S. btw 120 Eur for tank of gas really hearts but what hell!!!
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From: qatar
Slave
Slave or free if you are jobless its the same ( you have no $ to live and eat ) but if you are slave in BMW thats ok int tha that case you can have youre own slave right ?
Europe or USa is cool human rights and so on and then G.W.Bush decide that tax you are paying should be invested in war in Iraq instead of some research in meds or so . So you become slave of G.Bush .
In M.E you are slave of some Mahmud in white dress . Well it come to same same slave for Bush or slave for Mahmud only car and watch is different ! You want to live in Paris and drive Swift or live in Abu Dhabi or Doha and drive BMW or Jeep its youre decision.
Soon all of us in Qatar will drive swift as well .
Europe or USa is cool human rights and so on and then G.W.Bush decide that tax you are paying should be invested in war in Iraq instead of some research in meds or so . So you become slave of G.Bush .
In M.E you are slave of some Mahmud in white dress . Well it come to same same slave for Bush or slave for Mahmud only car and watch is different ! You want to live in Paris and drive Swift or live in Abu Dhabi or Doha and drive BMW or Jeep its youre decision.
Soon all of us in Qatar will drive swift as well .
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From: paradise
That's why sandpit will further on remain what it is. Without even having a slightest idea of what the modern employment environment is all about but bluntly following the idea of "I can buy it all" middle eastern companies will be a step stone in any aviation career path. It's not all about money pita though it's very important but you're not on the zook and the goods are probably the most perishable one. Western world came a long way till they simply realised the benefit of motivated employees. QR isn't even born yet. Go on and start the devil's advocate discussion.
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From: taiwan
Pita is correct.
All you have to do is follow some diffrent rules and not ask for orange juice in flight and you get to drive a BMW. I read every day the complaints abouts QR but there is worse. In my present company you have to pay in cash your bond upfront, no pay during 3-6months training and you already have to be type rated. In the US try flying for a regional airline 1400usd a month take home the first year and six sectors a day. At Taca 2000 month usd for A320 F/O average because they pay by the hour like I pay my maid in Asia. I dont see what the Europeans are complaining about they invented the low coast pay for type rating and 500 hours in type scheme. At some outfits you pay even for your interview, sim assesment and uniform. Besides all the wierd rules QR is one of the carriers in the world that you may have a chance to someday touch a A380. If the price for me to drive a BMW and fly a A380 is no orange juice and wear my hat during the walk arounds, let it be.
All you have to do is follow some diffrent rules and not ask for orange juice in flight and you get to drive a BMW. I read every day the complaints abouts QR but there is worse. In my present company you have to pay in cash your bond upfront, no pay during 3-6months training and you already have to be type rated. In the US try flying for a regional airline 1400usd a month take home the first year and six sectors a day. At Taca 2000 month usd for A320 F/O average because they pay by the hour like I pay my maid in Asia. I dont see what the Europeans are complaining about they invented the low coast pay for type rating and 500 hours in type scheme. At some outfits you pay even for your interview, sim assesment and uniform. Besides all the wierd rules QR is one of the carriers in the world that you may have a chance to someday touch a A380. If the price for me to drive a BMW and fly a A380 is no orange juice and wear my hat during the walk arounds, let it be.
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From: venus
I think Q.R has only order 3..4 A380(probably just for the prestige, and for commercial reason),so before you (We) can even think about flying it...
"If the price for me to drive a BMW and fly a 380 is no orange juice and wear the hat during walk arounds let it be...."
Personnaly i don't link the "quality of my live" to the size of the car i'm driving, or the size of aircraft i'm flying..!(honestly i have more fun to fly small a/c...
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"If the price for me to drive a BMW and fly a 380 is no orange juice and wear the hat during walk arounds let it be...."
Personnaly i don't link the "quality of my live" to the size of the car i'm driving, or the size of aircraft i'm flying..!(honestly i have more fun to fly small a/c...
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Last edited by salamalikum2; 9th July 2008 at 06:07.
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From: Europe
will buy our A.L. tickets?
According to the latest memo ragarding the A.L.T, the chances are slim to travel on a confirmed seat !!
To understand what is H class: it is the cheapest price available when the flight is just open for sale, if you are early enough you may catch it before it is sold out, then the Y class (more expensive) then the N class (much more) and they are all in Economy class (coach).
What will happen to you and your family when you try to book your annual leave and the H class is sold out? Or it is in the memo: buy a full fare commercial ticket ! or try your luck with ID 90 !!!
OH REALLY?? That is great. It will be in effect from September 1st. 2008, so if you are planning an annual leave after that date, good luck.
At the end of the memo a little reminder for us not even to try all year around to get tickets on some mentioned destinations,
I am lucky that I used my annual leave ticket already, as for the next year I will not be here to suffer for my annual leave.
To understand what is H class: it is the cheapest price available when the flight is just open for sale, if you are early enough you may catch it before it is sold out, then the Y class (more expensive) then the N class (much more) and they are all in Economy class (coach).
What will happen to you and your family when you try to book your annual leave and the H class is sold out? Or it is in the memo: buy a full fare commercial ticket ! or try your luck with ID 90 !!!
OH REALLY?? That is great. It will be in effect from September 1st. 2008, so if you are planning an annual leave after that date, good luck.
At the end of the memo a little reminder for us not even to try all year around to get tickets on some mentioned destinations,
I am lucky that I used my annual leave ticket already, as for the next year I will not be here to suffer for my annual leave.
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From: The Dog House
No Tickets eh!!! Do you guys realize why you are being raped again by that poisonous white ragged rat? Because he can!! Because he knows that he will have several hundred desperate unemployed americans grovelling at his door next year.
There is a word for this.... exploitation.
And exploitation is just another manifestation of endemic racism. Some more....
1. Pay them less, they are not worthy.
2. Work them to MAX LIMIT, they exist for us only to work.
2. Treat them like crap, they are less than us.
3. Tell them all lies, their opinions dont matter.
4. Protect our women under black, harass their white slags.
5. Make escape as difficult as possible.
And isn't it funny how any expat that overtly rejects the Qatari world view is a racist??? There have only ever been 12 reasons to join Goat Airways....
There is a word for this.... exploitation.
And exploitation is just another manifestation of endemic racism. Some more....
1. Pay them less, they are not worthy.
2. Work them to MAX LIMIT, they exist for us only to work.
2. Treat them like crap, they are less than us.
3. Tell them all lies, their opinions dont matter.
4. Protect our women under black, harass their white slags.
5. Make escape as difficult as possible.
And isn't it funny how any expat that overtly rejects the Qatari world view is a racist??? There have only ever been 12 reasons to join Goat Airways....
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From: venus
Sayap Patah:
Regarding the rest on KIX-DOh, we just have to make sure to occupy the right place, if you rest in the first class seat (even if empty!) instead of he business seat you might find some deduction on your salary, either at the end of the month or when you resign on your end of service "benefit"...!!!!
100% true!
Welcome to Q.R.........
Regarding the rest on KIX-DOh, we just have to make sure to occupy the right place, if you rest in the first class seat (even if empty!) instead of he business seat you might find some deduction on your salary, either at the end of the month or when you resign on your end of service "benefit"...!!!!
100% true!
Welcome to Q.R.........
Last edited by salamalikum2; 9th July 2008 at 11:15.
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From: qatar
Qr Kix-doh
It was all ok till CC didnt know why we rest and where should we rest and when some smart PO or CSD got to know its only busness seat for us ooo lets report Capt to CEO . Cool lets do the same for CS and CSD every mistake she do we can writte with date and time and confirmation of F/O and if all ok keep it if she report us we can do the same.
Eastern European Capt got deductioin from salary 17 k QR for resting in first class during KIX-DOH aussie cpat as well reported by CSD and German capt as well all got deducted 17-20 k .
Poor country have to take money from Captians to run airline .
I saw someone drive new Ferari i guess i know wher eis money from .
Eastern European Capt got deductioin from salary 17 k QR for resting in first class during KIX-DOH aussie cpat as well reported by CSD and German capt as well all got deducted 17-20 k .
Poor country have to take money from Captians to run airline .
I saw someone drive new Ferari i guess i know wher eis money from .
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From: qatar
planet
Maybe just another continent then yours !
Icarus did you ever flown for any major EU airline ?
I been for 22y for youre info and didnt saw people getting reported for funny reasons ,terminated,called to office for resting in FC,getting warning letters for drinking forbiten drinks .
Word "reporting" is invented during UK-India codshere and got transfered to Qatar with J.A cabin crew .Thats what i was told from my TRE ( qatari)
Icarus did you ever flown for any major EU airline ?
I been for 22y for youre info and didnt saw people getting reported for funny reasons ,terminated,called to office for resting in FC,getting warning letters for drinking forbiten drinks .
Word "reporting" is invented during UK-India codshere and got transfered to Qatar with J.A cabin crew .Thats what i was told from my TRE ( qatari)
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From: qatar
Lulu
Lulu you will get use to it after few y.
Dont listen to Icarus he is one of management ( high ) educated pilots who finish training in Oxford UK same betch with Icarus him self .
Icarus knows SOP up and down but sometimes turns in wrong side ( wuupps wuupps )
Dont listen to Icarus he is one of management ( high ) educated pilots who finish training in Oxford UK same betch with Icarus him self .
Icarus knows SOP up and down but sometimes turns in wrong side ( wuupps wuupps )
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From: venus
Regarding the deduction of the money for wrong sitting..
i become convince that this must me a well organised complot from the mafia running the financial dept and some concerned C.C....
Where do you think this money is going....?? Do you guys really believe that this is coming from MR AAB himself....?
i become convince that this must me a well organised complot from the mafia running the financial dept and some concerned C.C....Where do you think this money is going....?? Do you guys really believe that this is coming from MR AAB himself....?