Middle East lost its golden touch!!
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Oh please moderator close the discussion, they are racists. 
Just open up your eyes what is going on here. it's not us expats that cause the trouble, we are here to work, make a living for our families. And we work hard, just as the Indian laborours and the mistreated maids, not to talk about the abused child camel jockeys. Is it mostly the expats that drive like idiots recklessly in the roads and kill innocent people, are the expats stalking women? Are the expats fleecing the population with overpriced rents in crappy houses and flats. 
Wake up and face the realities before you cry around and call racists. You should know who are the biggest racists.
Just open up your eyes what is going on here. it's not us expats that cause the trouble, we are here to work, make a living for our families. And we work hard, just as the Indian laborours and the mistreated maids, not to talk about the abused child camel jockeys. Is it mostly the expats that drive like idiots recklessly in the roads and kill innocent people, are the expats stalking women? Are the expats fleecing the population with overpriced rents in crappy houses and flats. Wake up and face the realities before you cry around and call racists. You should know who are the biggest racists.
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Wel said flyingCroc.
I am totally disgusted by all these racist expats. If they have so much for arabs and islam then Middle east is the wrong place to be for them but then again MONEY TALKS.
I am totally disgusted by all these racist expats. If they have so much for arabs and islam then Middle east is the wrong place to be for them but then again MONEY TALKS.
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While one or two posts may be on the borderline tasteless and certainly less than considered, most of what's posted here is NOT racism - it is personal experience.
Most expats have no problem with Islam, and of course it's the wrong place to be for those who do have a problem with Islam. But MANY expats DO have a problem with some of the issues raised here.
That's enough for now - I need to go and chuckle privately at the person on this thread who can't recognise sarcasm....
Most expats have no problem with Islam, and of course it's the wrong place to be for those who do have a problem with Islam. But MANY expats DO have a problem with some of the issues raised here.
That's enough for now - I need to go and chuckle privately at the person on this thread who can't recognise sarcasm....
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Exactly....telling the truth and what happens is one thing.......racism is another thing!!!
Probably some people doesnīt want to accept the truth....thatīs another story....
Probably some people doesnīt want to accept the truth....thatīs another story....
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Seven Deadly Sins of the Desert
Apathy
Ignorance
Arrogance
Rage
Exploitation
Sodomy
Incest
Restating the Seven Deadly Sins of the desert is not racist, as the list is as true as a camels foul breath.
Ignorance
Arrogance
Rage
Exploitation
Sodomy
Incest
Restating the Seven Deadly Sins of the desert is not racist, as the list is as true as a camels foul breath.
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Racism is dripping out each red word of yours like blood.
racism is written all over your post.
call it truth is bitter, call it we dont take criticism, call it western freedom of speech but any nuetral would smell the dirty rat.
racism is written all over your post.
call it truth is bitter, call it we dont take criticism, call it western freedom of speech but any nuetral would smell the dirty rat.
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Lighten up a bit NO FD.
Humour is not only the best medicine, it is also a great cross-cultural communication tool.
I laugh at myself, I make fun of my own culture without mercy and I make fun of other cultures where I see humour, irony and contradiction.
Weak is a culture that cannot accept a sarcastic laugh or jibe once in a while.
Get over it...
Humour is not only the best medicine, it is also a great cross-cultural communication tool.
I laugh at myself, I make fun of my own culture without mercy and I make fun of other cultures where I see humour, irony and contradiction.
Weak is a culture that cannot accept a sarcastic laugh or jibe once in a while.
Get over it...
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Low tolerance (and sense of humour) is what's creating the problem...
Believe me guys, this world has far more worse justice systems than your stomach could even think of digesting
... if you think UAE has injustice, you're most welcome to visit me anytime and I won't have to say a thing to justify my point of view.
Believe me guys, this world has far more worse justice systems than your stomach could even think of digesting
... if you think UAE has injustice, you're most welcome to visit me anytime and I won't have to say a thing to justify my point of view.
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"Racism: ...the belief that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or domesticate others"
Let's have a closer look and a laugh at the two controversial sins, Sodomy and Incest.
Single women who want to have a bit of fun but demand Sodomy to protect their virginity for marriage. Now I find that very funny!
Marriages are arranged within the family to strengthen the family. But this policy chokes the family genetic pool making all future generations more susceptible to preventable deadly disease; e.g. Diabetes. Selective genetic cultural suicide? It takes a few beers, but I find that very funny too!
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Single women....demand Sodomy to protect their virginity for marriage.
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Since I work on the ground rather than in the air, and in one location, I see the same people most days/nights at work and about half of them are locals. A few are Indian and Pakistani and the other almost half are a mix of western nationalities. I can say in all honesty that I enjoy the company of the majority of locals at work. They are generally very interested in what I know of foreign lands, and they seem to appreciate small gestures made to learn something of their culture. Almost to a man (and woman - there are some at work!) they love to laugh and have a great sense of humour.
MY initial post, along with most of the earlier ones in this thread before the creep set in, was about the pros and cons of living in the Middle East and NOT the pros and cons of Arabs as people. Yes, there is a connection or at least a connection to decisions made by the government which is, by definition in the UAE, made up of Arabs. One of the biggest problems is the fact that the laws made by the government do not always appear to apply equally to all people.
I don't think I'm alone in finding the company of local people, whether in the UAE, the USA or any other country, depends entirely on the personality of one's company! In most countries, especially those which don't share our native language, being in a crowd of locals is much less pleasant than being in the company of a small number who speak our language.
Other observations? It looks like the average 24-year old, Pakistani Christian can punctuate and spell rather better in English than the average Brit/Yank/Kiwi/Canuck/Seth Efrican/Ozzieb*stard of any age.
MY initial post, along with most of the earlier ones in this thread before the creep set in, was about the pros and cons of living in the Middle East and NOT the pros and cons of Arabs as people. Yes, there is a connection or at least a connection to decisions made by the government which is, by definition in the UAE, made up of Arabs. One of the biggest problems is the fact that the laws made by the government do not always appear to apply equally to all people.
I don't think I'm alone in finding the company of local people, whether in the UAE, the USA or any other country, depends entirely on the personality of one's company! In most countries, especially those which don't share our native language, being in a crowd of locals is much less pleasant than being in the company of a small number who speak our language.
Other observations? It looks like the average 24-year old, Pakistani Christian can punctuate and spell rather better in English than the average Brit/Yank/Kiwi/Canuck/Seth Efrican/Ozzieb*stard of any age.
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Just cruising the prune to see whats going on in the ME. Wow..nothing has changed! Just a few years ago I was parousing the market for some work and considered come over there, but in the end I decided against it. Funny thing is, the companies were so desparate, one hired over the phone and even though I turned it down they still sent me the airline ticket to come over! I just pitched it. Next I came to Doha to check out Qatar. Wow...an eye opener. They forgot about our arrival and we were lost at the airport for hours trying to contact someone! Then the interview was .. how can I say...just rude! Not even a "thanks for coming" or "how was your flight over". The arrogance was amazing. And Emirates? You have to pay to come over on your own for an interview? Ha! Like thats gonna happen. I guess if your strategy is to go straight to the bottom of the barrel to find the guys who cant get jobs anywhere else..then thats a great strategy! Wot a laugh mates! To be real, a job is a job, and lets be grateful for it...but the good news is the market is a little bit in our favour right now. Its just hard to keep moving around eh!
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Saudi Arabia and the UAE have the highest disposable incomes in the world
Who gets this money? It's all of us labourers
by Rob Corder of ArabianNews.com on Wednesday, 18 July 2007
Saudi Arabia and the UAE are providing senior managers with the highest disposable incomes in the world, according to research by management consultancy Hay Group.
The World Pay Report examines not only the salaries and benefits for executives, but also compares the cost of living and taxation system in each country to come up with a figure for disposable incomes.
Saudi Arabia came first in the list with average disposable incomes for managers of $229,325 per year. The UAE came second with disposable incomes of $223,939.
In comparison, the United States came 24th with management incomes of less than half those in the Gulf States at $104,905. India came 36th with incomes of $92,750, and the UK came 40th with incomes of $86,367.
"Senior managers in Saudi and the UAE enjoy soaring levels of take-home pay, as employers in this region pay more attention to salaries rather than performance-based incentives," said Vijay Gandhi, Reward Information Services Manager for Hay Group Dubai.
"As demand for experienced senior managers remains high, however, companies in the region are looking more closely at the use of long-term incentives as a way of attracting and retaining international talent."
Tax-free incomes considerably boost the disposable income levels in the oil-rich states, the report added.
But while the wealth of senior managers is soaring in the Gulf, lower income groups are suffering lower than inflation pay rises,according to Hay Group.
A Hay Group report in March entitled Global Pay Day Analysis, found that the UAE had the worst salary rises after inflation in the world for administrative and professional workers. Pay rises of 5% were recorded across all pay grades, but with inflation taken into account, salaries in the UAE actually fell by 2.3%.
P.S. Is this a nighmare? After all, there is a golden touch around here!!! It's 2AM now and I'm going to try and get some 
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
by Rob Corder of ArabianNews.com on Wednesday, 18 July 2007
Saudi Arabia and the UAE are providing senior managers with the highest disposable incomes in the world, according to research by management consultancy Hay Group.
The World Pay Report examines not only the salaries and benefits for executives, but also compares the cost of living and taxation system in each country to come up with a figure for disposable incomes.
Saudi Arabia came first in the list with average disposable incomes for managers of $229,325 per year. The UAE came second with disposable incomes of $223,939.
In comparison, the United States came 24th with management incomes of less than half those in the Gulf States at $104,905. India came 36th with incomes of $92,750, and the UK came 40th with incomes of $86,367.
"Senior managers in Saudi and the UAE enjoy soaring levels of take-home pay, as employers in this region pay more attention to salaries rather than performance-based incentives,"
said Vijay Gandhi, Reward Information Services Manager for Hay Group Dubai. "As demand for experienced senior managers remains high, however, companies in the region are looking more closely at the use of long-term incentives as a way of attracting and retaining international talent."
Tax-free incomes considerably boost the disposable income levels in the oil-rich states, the report added.
But while the wealth of senior managers is soaring in the Gulf, lower income groups are suffering lower than inflation pay rises,
according to Hay Group.A Hay Group report in March entitled Global Pay Day Analysis, found that the UAE had the worst salary rises after inflation in the world for administrative and professional workers
. Pay rises of 5% were recorded across all pay grades, but with inflation taken into account, salaries in the UAE actually fell by 2.3%.P.S. Is this a nighmare? After all, there is a golden touch around here
!!! It's 2AM now and I'm going to try and get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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2 interesting articles about life in the Gulf
Early detection of financial trouble
Are you heading for a financial trouble? There are many early warning signs that may help you detect a crisis before it happens.
http://www.gulfnews.com/business/money/10145594.html
Saudi Arabia tops world in take-home pay
While senior executives in the Gulf see the UAE as the most desirable place to work due to its liberal lifestyle, it is Saudi Arabia where they can have more disposable incomes.
http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Economy/10145745.html
Are you heading for a financial trouble? There are many early warning signs that may help you detect a crisis before it happens.
http://www.gulfnews.com/business/money/10145594.html
Saudi Arabia tops world in take-home pay
While senior executives in the Gulf see the UAE as the most desirable place to work due to its liberal lifestyle, it is Saudi Arabia where they can have more disposable incomes.
http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Economy/10145745.html
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A crewing crisis looming at EK and yet they still reject 90% of the pilots who come to Dubai for an interview, Airbus & Boeing captains alike.. strange??
A lucky escape for some you might say.
Shags
A lucky escape for some you might say.
Shags
No shags. There are just keeping some type of standard, however low/high that might be. Long may it continue. You certainly don't have to be a rocket scientist, or the ace from the base to get a job here.
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