Middle East lost its golden touch!!
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cut salary, increase profit...(whats wrong with this logic)
This seems to be the mantra of the ME aviation experts.
It is certainly the mantra of Dr Potty.
Has anyone explained to him and his head shaker managers, that the best way to get productivity from professionals , or all employees) is to reward them for good performance.
I always believed the carrot was better than the stick, as a motivational tool.
The threat of dismissal loses its edge, after a quick review of the vast number of pilot jobs available.
ssa
It is certainly the mantra of Dr Potty.
Has anyone explained to him and his head shaker managers, that the best way to get productivity from professionals , or all employees) is to reward them for good performance.
I always believed the carrot was better than the stick, as a motivational tool.
The threat of dismissal loses its edge, after a quick review of the vast number of pilot jobs available.
ssa
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Lock n Load: Excellent post
Sums it all up. But lets not forget that we as pilots are still doing very good compared to these poor mistreated souls that work now in slavelike condition in 50 degree heat. 
And yes to all of you out there reading these posts, most written on pprune is unfortunatley true
And yes to all of you out there reading these posts, most written on pprune is unfortunatley true
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it's the brown bucket which seems to be getting most of the action
).My worry is that when we finally get time to pause and take a breath, the bucket will explode in our face's
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I just got really tired of the Arabs telling me that 911 was all a lie, trying to convert me to a religion that I could care less about along with all the hypocrites there.
Hmmm
I suppoose in ur dictionary this is not hypocricy but just being polite.
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My former local supervisor, in all other respects a fine and peace-loving man whom I'd welcome to my home overseas (except I wouldn't have enough room for him, his wife, his kids and the maid) and with whom breaktime chats were usually interesting, was a 9/11 unbeliever. Or rather, he thought the US government was behind it.
When the subject came up, I certainly didn't just smile and agree with him! I pointed out that the US government couldn't have got away with it due to the fact that in a democracy (even in the current atmosphere of "security" before freedom) it would have been impossible to get so many people to keep quiet from so many different agencies, and no one in the US would likely volunteer to die just to set up a pretext for future government actions.
I doubt I changed his mind, and he certainly didn't change mine! Still, I think some expats do treat the locals more gently than is really required. I reckon many of them love a good arguement...
When the subject came up, I certainly didn't just smile and agree with him! I pointed out that the US government couldn't have got away with it due to the fact that in a democracy (even in the current atmosphere of "security" before freedom) it would have been impossible to get so many people to keep quiet from so many different agencies, and no one in the US would likely volunteer to die just to set up a pretext for future government actions.
I doubt I changed his mind, and he certainly didn't change mine! Still, I think some expats do treat the locals more gently than is really required. I reckon many of them love a good arguement...
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Religious superiority
That's part of the problem, praying 5 times a day, but I bet they know every brothel on every layover. Not realiizing however that the expats build everything they have and see, including their Landrovers and Rolex watches. Pathetic.
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arms2serve - who are you aiming your post at? Only two posts in this thread mention Islam;
1. Mine saying that Ramadan is tough for a non-Muslim; and
2. Earl mentioning that some Saudis tried to convert him.
There are no mentions at all of any other religion, and none suggesting the primacy of any religion over any other! Or are you pointing at the Saudis?
FWIW, if you do happen to have a strong religious faith, whatever that faith may be, of course you believe your faith/religion has more validity than any other. I am not a Muslim, but I would doubt the faith of any Muslim who didn't believe that their view of God was the correct one! No one says I have to agree with them...
Many would argue that it is their duty to spread the word of God - it's certainly an article of faith within most Christian denominations. The big difference between the west and the middle east is that here in the Gulf it is illegal to attempt to convert anyone to a faith other than Islam. In the west, any faith and many cults are free to spread their message.
So, there you have it. One benefit of life in the UAE - no Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons ringing the doorbell at 10am when you've been working all night!!!
1. Mine saying that Ramadan is tough for a non-Muslim; and
2. Earl mentioning that some Saudis tried to convert him.
There are no mentions at all of any other religion, and none suggesting the primacy of any religion over any other! Or are you pointing at the Saudis?
FWIW, if you do happen to have a strong religious faith, whatever that faith may be, of course you believe your faith/religion has more validity than any other. I am not a Muslim, but I would doubt the faith of any Muslim who didn't believe that their view of God was the correct one! No one says I have to agree with them...
Many would argue that it is their duty to spread the word of God - it's certainly an article of faith within most Christian denominations. The big difference between the west and the middle east is that here in the Gulf it is illegal to attempt to convert anyone to a faith other than Islam. In the west, any faith and many cults are free to spread their message.
So, there you have it. One benefit of life in the UAE - no Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons ringing the doorbell at 10am when you've been working all night!!!
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yep..as Flyingcrok mentions...in this part of the world without expats, the only option for the locals would be to go back into the desert in their tent!!
I hope one day they will realise that and show a little bit more respect and consideration for us ....
I hope one day they will realise that and show a little bit more respect and consideration for us ....
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I hope one day they will realise that and show a little bit more respect and consideration for us...
As I said here before, I would never treat my guests like (the said) Guests are treated in the region.I don't think that's going to happen. The money issue will always play a mega role.
We are giving you a job otherwise you would be a jobless in your own country... bla... bla... If you don't like it, just go back.
We all see a lot of it elsewhere, but considering these guys GDP (UAE) per capita they should give the example and extinguish such exploitation. Check this out http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5444.htm. I hope, I'm not labelled biased here because of the source of the information.
Well, what goes around comes around...
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Lock n' Load - I'm aiming my post at the people who commit every sin this world has to offer then act as though they just came down from the heavens, clean and pure.
Just take a look at my location and consider what it's like being a minority over here
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The Arabs complain talk about discrimination after 9/11, I bet it's not half of what's over here and I was born here and still living here waiting for a chance to go to a country where I can see first hand what it's like not to have that extremist threat looming over my head.
I look, walk, eat, sleep like any national of this country, but the moment I have to declare I'm a Christian, suddenly I'm someone who just came from Mars
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Just take a look at my location and consider what it's like being a minority over here
.The Arabs complain talk about discrimination after 9/11, I bet it's not half of what's over here and I was born here and still living here waiting for a chance to go to a country where I can see first hand what it's like not to have that extremist threat looming over my head.
I look, walk, eat, sleep like any national of this country, but the moment I have to declare I'm a Christian, suddenly I'm someone who just came from Mars
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arms2serve, thanks for answering! Given your age and location, you could very easily have been a Muslim. As I hope you can tell, I have no problem at all with Muslims who love peace and who allow others the freedom to believe and practice as they wish. The UAE is relatively liberal in that respect towards Christians.
Anyway, going back to the main point of the thread, I just realised another item to go in the "bad points" column....
Wading through a lake of sh*t-imbued water in public toilets, trying desperately to keep your trousers off the floor and wondering how many paper toilet seat covers you need to keep your bum dry!!!
Anyway, going back to the main point of the thread, I just realised another item to go in the "bad points" column....
Wading through a lake of sh*t-imbued water in public toilets, trying desperately to keep your trousers off the floor and wondering how many paper toilet seat covers you need to keep your bum dry!!!
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Yes UAE is quite liberal, I went to Dubai last year and stayed there for 6 days and believe me those 6 days were the most carefree days I could think of since school, without exageration.
Heck I could let my mother and sister go out without having to escort them. Over here in Pakistan, eveteasing is a 'normal' harrassment many women have to face everyday under very noses of the law enforcement in the so-called most successful city i.e. Lahore
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Dubai is heaven compared to Pakistan, it all comes down to what sort of lifestyle you will have to give up to come to Dubai. A guy like me will be more than happy to live there.
Heck I could let my mother and sister go out without having to escort them. Over here in Pakistan, eveteasing is a 'normal' harrassment many women have to face everyday under very noses of the law enforcement in the so-called most successful city i.e. Lahore
.Dubai is heaven compared to Pakistan, it all comes down to what sort of lifestyle you will have to give up to come to Dubai. A guy like me will be more than happy to live there.
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I see where you are coming from
arms2 when this is your definition regarding liberal. Maybe you should visit the western world to see what liberal means.
Besides, there are consistent complaints of young FA's being stalked and pesterd by locals and labourers in Dubai.
Besides, there are consistent complaints of young FA's being stalked and pesterd by locals and labourers in Dubai.
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Sadly i think 4HP will have to step in again as this thread is getting way off topic and very racist. Once again we scrape the bottom. Lets not let a good forum become a place to air our personel grieviances of things it was not designed for.
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I too have to laugh at the notion of Dubai being called "liberal"
The statment is true in the sense of visiting and living the lifestyle seen on the TV programs. That can be obtained at a monetary cost.
Just leave the thin veneer of luxury of the tourist areas or even the areas that the western expats fear to tread and then see if you will still call it "liberal".
The statment is true in the sense of visiting and living the lifestyle seen on the TV programs. That can be obtained at a monetary cost.
Just leave the thin veneer of luxury of the tourist areas or even the areas that the western expats fear to tread and then see if you will still call it "liberal".
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Liberal it may appear, but that easy going liberal shine, can disappear at the drop of a hat or the crunch of a land cruiser rear ending you, and all of a sudden you are left with the rude reality that you have no rights here.
A liberal country would allow me to eat and drink at will at any time of the day, regardless of religious festivals. Countries like Malaysia and Indonesia do not place such restrictions on their residents, and yet this country which so desperately wants to be accepted by the rest of the world as a first world country, seems to forget that real countries do not ban residents or tourists from eating and drinking at will. Liberal.....I think not.
And before I get reminded that I am a guest and to do as I'm asked, sorry...told!!! I no longer deem myself as a guest. As an investor and homeowner of so called freehold property, I am long past guest status.
A liberal country would allow me to eat and drink at will at any time of the day, regardless of religious festivals. Countries like Malaysia and Indonesia do not place such restrictions on their residents, and yet this country which so desperately wants to be accepted by the rest of the world as a first world country, seems to forget that real countries do not ban residents or tourists from eating and drinking at will. Liberal.....I think not.
And before I get reminded that I am a guest and to do as I'm asked, sorry...told!!! I no longer deem myself as a guest. As an investor and homeowner of so called freehold property, I am long past guest status.