Qatar Airways - cadet program - SO
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Yes FAB where did you get your type rating, and how much $$$.
I'm a Canadian also but with several thousands of hours. I don't have any type ratings, but would love to learn how you went about it.
Thanks
skud
I'm a Canadian also but with several thousands of hours. I don't have any type ratings, but would love to learn how you went about it.
Thanks
skud
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I did the space shuttle type rating, i have 0 time on type, but keeping my fingers crossed. i hear the baby boomers are about to retire...
it's all possible!
it's all possible!
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I have a Swiss army knife and I passed o level Biology. Can I be a surgeon?
What if I will work for free and buy all the drinks at the golf club?
Okay. I start Monday at Doha general hospital.
What if I will work for free and buy all the drinks at the golf club?
Okay. I start Monday at Doha general hospital.
Hiring Second Officers
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----Has anyone that sent in their application for the Second Officer program heard back from Qatar yet?----
No, was never able to get my email to work on the address provided. Anyone else have this problem???
No, was never able to get my email to work on the address provided. Anyone else have this problem???
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There maybe some misinterpretation as to the role of a 2nd Officer. In the UK, Britannia (now Thomsonfly) have 2nd Officers who are just FrATPLs. When they hit the 1500 hrs and have the Green book issued, they are First Officers. Their job is just the same.
I read with interest at some of the comments by Rosbif or Global Nomad. What other choices does someone with 250 Hrs FATPL have? Currently it is a buy your own rating gamble where there is no guarantee of emplyment at the end. With the QR scheme, it "seems" like the traditional bonded arrangement where you must stay for 5 years and repay your type rating costs. You can still leave if you can pay the bond back.
If a low hours guy had gained just 500 hrs on type, he would instantly become more marketable with other airlines should the situation with QR be worst than expected.
Well done QR
I read with interest at some of the comments by Rosbif or Global Nomad. What other choices does someone with 250 Hrs FATPL have? Currently it is a buy your own rating gamble where there is no guarantee of emplyment at the end. With the QR scheme, it "seems" like the traditional bonded arrangement where you must stay for 5 years and repay your type rating costs. You can still leave if you can pay the bond back.
If a low hours guy had gained just 500 hrs on type, he would instantly become more marketable with other airlines should the situation with QR be worst than expected.
Well done QR
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It is all very easy for us, sitting at FL410 being fat and ( semi) happy, to say that this is a bad deal and everybody should stay away!
That is wrong! Remember when we where all looking for jobs and nobody wanted us. Just out of flying college with no more then 300hrs....
Hell, If I had an opportunity that is similar to this one back then I would have grabbed it with both hands!
As long as you are aware of the little script on the bottom of the contract I think this is a cracking deal!
So you fly 5 months as an SO for 7000QR/month....At least you are flying! And you are flying a modern airliner! After 5 months max you do an upgrade and you make more money then many captains flying in Europe....again flying a modern airliner!!!!
And yes, you have to stay 5 years unless you have won the lottery, in which case you would not have become a pilot I hope! So what, 5 years means 3500hrs heavy jet. You saved some money and after 5 years you can go and play with the big guys!!!!!
Where exactly is the catch????? Take it guys, this might be a golden opportunity.
I think QR is much better for these unexperienced FOs then for the loads of experienced guys we have just been attrackting overhere!!!
Currently time to command is 8-10 years!!!!!!!!!They have just announced that a maximum of 8 captain upgrades/year will be approved. This together with the rules of min 5000Hr heavy jet and 3 years in the company makes QR a very very unattractive deal to the experienced FO!!! Especially since these rules have been changed 5 times over the last three years and it seems they are only getting worse.
Makes you think, doesnt it?
That is wrong! Remember when we where all looking for jobs and nobody wanted us. Just out of flying college with no more then 300hrs....
Hell, If I had an opportunity that is similar to this one back then I would have grabbed it with both hands!
As long as you are aware of the little script on the bottom of the contract I think this is a cracking deal!
So you fly 5 months as an SO for 7000QR/month....At least you are flying! And you are flying a modern airliner! After 5 months max you do an upgrade and you make more money then many captains flying in Europe....again flying a modern airliner!!!!
And yes, you have to stay 5 years unless you have won the lottery, in which case you would not have become a pilot I hope! So what, 5 years means 3500hrs heavy jet. You saved some money and after 5 years you can go and play with the big guys!!!!!
Where exactly is the catch????? Take it guys, this might be a golden opportunity.
I think QR is much better for these unexperienced FOs then for the loads of experienced guys we have just been attrackting overhere!!!
Currently time to command is 8-10 years!!!!!!!!!They have just announced that a maximum of 8 captain upgrades/year will be approved. This together with the rules of min 5000Hr heavy jet and 3 years in the company makes QR a very very unattractive deal to the experienced FO!!! Especially since these rules have been changed 5 times over the last three years and it seems they are only getting worse.
Makes you think, doesnt it?
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I have taken it from the lion's mouth, QR are currently running meetings to lay down the way they will go about this SOs in terms of the selection process, A) Aptitude tests or B) Technical Questions or C) group exercises. OR all these, I believe that should a simualtor trip be required it will be carried out on a Frasca 242 at a near by flying school. Just to assess the applicant handling skills and his IR skills. I have not heard anything yet but soon we shall all hear something, they are only looking for 12 people which makes sense since the SIM at France will require 2 crew.This is a trial period and if it works and all those lucky people succeed I presume that QR will continue with this deal for some time then stop it 'cos they are required by LAW to hire local i.e nationals of Qatar, a certain percentage of any establishment in the State of Qatar and so is the case in many Gulf states, I do not know however that percentage I think arond 50% correct me if I am wrong.
Keep your fingers crossed and pray to the Almight Lord.
Good luck to everyone.
Give 'em TWO weeks from today's date 2.2.2005
Read your old ATPL manuals and revise your Jepps charts.
<HINT>
Keep your fingers crossed and pray to the Almight Lord.
Good luck to everyone.
Give 'em TWO weeks from today's date 2.2.2005
Read your old ATPL manuals and revise your Jepps charts.
<HINT>
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I have been reading and have gotten a few PM’s from people on this subject asking me what do I think? I have been very busy with flying, the Hajj Season with family and so on so I have not had time to sit and really reply or digest this entire situation.
Here is what I think about the events going on at QR concerning this:
They have been a few first officers that have gone out and bought an A-300 type rating in Jordan I believe and joined Qatar Airways. Some of them are the son’s of captains that are presently here with Qatar Airways. I have to add that they are not Qatari but are from another Arab country (not that this matters I think).
I think they have to go through 80 sectors with a training captain. Out of these 80 sectors, they don’t taxi the aircraft until sector 30 and it is a long tiring drawn out process for them of constant questions every flight. We all know that just doing the initial 6 to 7 sectors when you first join a company is hard, so can you imagine? Anyhow these guys are online now and I am not sure if they are getting paid as a F/O or a S/O don’t know anyway of finding out, sorry.
I think that this program of hiring these FEW guys went well so they are now and will always look for CHEAP ways of filling the cockpit. Most likely one of the bean counters that presents spreadsheets to the CEO has shown him how they can crew the airplanes for less money and is trying to introduce this “low Cost” idea. No offence to the low time pilots out there but Qatar Airways is trying to portray a “5 Star Airline” in the “Major Airline World” and this sort of hiring and way of doing business is a Charter outfit, new startup, penny pinching, fly by night, low cost, way of doing business and not that of a Major Airline in the World that is looking for Global Recognition as such.Yes, I do agree that you have to start somewhere and it is certainly not your fault that QR is leaning towards these measures of filling the seats.
Global nomad wrote, “Line up here to sell your profession.” Well guess what? This profession has been sold over and over again and is getting cheaper and cheaper for the employer and more expensive for the employee. Just remember that when you lower the bar on the this profession, it is very hard to get it back up. (the bar seems to be heading the wrong way faster and faster these days.)
I think that the hiring for this CADET program will be very political, DID I SAY “VERY POLITICAL” and you will be a VERY, DID I SAY “VERY” lucky guy/gal to get in just on your own merits with no “INSIDER PULL.” But please try and give it a shot. As a pilot it is your lucky day to get on this way with a major airline in the world but for those of us that are here already it does raise a question as to why Qatar Airways are going about hiring their pilots like this? Don’t get me wrong on this thread thinking I am saying to you not to take the chance and try to get on with a major airline and build your hours and run, DID I SAY “RUN!!!!” after you can stand on your own two feet and grab the aviation world by the B-LLS!!!!..
Just a quick reminder that is not tied to this post but a good thing to always keep in your heart and mind. “Caution every move in this small aviation world good or bad that you do. It will do a full circle one day and help you or hinder you later in your aviation life.” I have seen it happen to so many people in the good way as well as the bad way.
HM
Here is what I think about the events going on at QR concerning this:
They have been a few first officers that have gone out and bought an A-300 type rating in Jordan I believe and joined Qatar Airways. Some of them are the son’s of captains that are presently here with Qatar Airways. I have to add that they are not Qatari but are from another Arab country (not that this matters I think).
I think they have to go through 80 sectors with a training captain. Out of these 80 sectors, they don’t taxi the aircraft until sector 30 and it is a long tiring drawn out process for them of constant questions every flight. We all know that just doing the initial 6 to 7 sectors when you first join a company is hard, so can you imagine? Anyhow these guys are online now and I am not sure if they are getting paid as a F/O or a S/O don’t know anyway of finding out, sorry.
I think that this program of hiring these FEW guys went well so they are now and will always look for CHEAP ways of filling the cockpit. Most likely one of the bean counters that presents spreadsheets to the CEO has shown him how they can crew the airplanes for less money and is trying to introduce this “low Cost” idea. No offence to the low time pilots out there but Qatar Airways is trying to portray a “5 Star Airline” in the “Major Airline World” and this sort of hiring and way of doing business is a Charter outfit, new startup, penny pinching, fly by night, low cost, way of doing business and not that of a Major Airline in the World that is looking for Global Recognition as such.Yes, I do agree that you have to start somewhere and it is certainly not your fault that QR is leaning towards these measures of filling the seats.
Global nomad wrote, “Line up here to sell your profession.” Well guess what? This profession has been sold over and over again and is getting cheaper and cheaper for the employer and more expensive for the employee. Just remember that when you lower the bar on the this profession, it is very hard to get it back up. (the bar seems to be heading the wrong way faster and faster these days.)
I think that the hiring for this CADET program will be very political, DID I SAY “VERY POLITICAL” and you will be a VERY, DID I SAY “VERY” lucky guy/gal to get in just on your own merits with no “INSIDER PULL.” But please try and give it a shot. As a pilot it is your lucky day to get on this way with a major airline in the world but for those of us that are here already it does raise a question as to why Qatar Airways are going about hiring their pilots like this? Don’t get me wrong on this thread thinking I am saying to you not to take the chance and try to get on with a major airline and build your hours and run, DID I SAY “RUN!!!!” after you can stand on your own two feet and grab the aviation world by the B-LLS!!!!..
Just a quick reminder that is not tied to this post but a good thing to always keep in your heart and mind. “Caution every move in this small aviation world good or bad that you do. It will do a full circle one day and help you or hinder you later in your aviation life.” I have seen it happen to so many people in the good way as well as the bad way.
HM
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I recieved a reply via email from them saying my'' application is being processed'', it's a signed letter which they scanned, any of you guy's reveive similiar letter?
What is the life style like in Qatar?
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What is the life style like in Qatar?
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Hello,
I guess we all received the same letter.
A friend of mine received a negative response 1 week ago but he was above 29 years old. I have 2 friends also rated on the A320 and below 29 years old and we received this letter but no news yet.
Good luck!
I guess we all received the same letter.
A friend of mine received a negative response 1 week ago but he was above 29 years old. I have 2 friends also rated on the A320 and below 29 years old and we received this letter but no news yet.
Good luck!
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Hello,
I need to know when I can apply to Qatar.
Is it too late ??
I have still not finished my pilot formation
(I have just the ATPL and I started the CPL) and I will have 29 very soon, in September in fact.
So I could contract a debt in order to accelerate my pilot formation and finish it in March.
Then I could send my application before September.
But will they really accept my application if I send it in April.
Thanks for your precious answers.
Best Regards,
Mehdi
I need to know when I can apply to Qatar.
Is it too late ??
I have still not finished my pilot formation
(I have just the ATPL and I started the CPL) and I will have 29 very soon, in September in fact.
So I could contract a debt in order to accelerate my pilot formation and finish it in March.
Then I could send my application before September.
But will they really accept my application if I send it in April.
Thanks for your precious answers.
Best Regards,
Mehdi
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Guys, I have been turned down .by QR ..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......
I got everything and more, but I am
toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old 32 yrs!!!
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I got everything and more, but I am
toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old 32 yrs!!!
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Hi guys,
I have just been to see the man incharge of QR second officer scheme, and I tell you he is as sharp as a knife. He told me that even if someone has an ATPL and few hours or even 1000s of hours on turbo-prop he will not be considered ! ! ! if he has no high hours on the jet.
They have lowered the age cut-of ban to 27 rather than the advertised of 28!!! so even if you just turned 28 yrs old all I can say is sorry mate. tooo close yet tooo far.......
no winning with airlines.....
Good luck to all of you .
I have just been to see the man incharge of QR second officer scheme, and I tell you he is as sharp as a knife. He told me that even if someone has an ATPL and few hours or even 1000s of hours on turbo-prop he will not be considered ! ! ! if he has no high hours on the jet.
They have lowered the age cut-of ban to 27 rather than the advertised of 28!!! so even if you just turned 28 yrs old all I can say is sorry mate. tooo close yet tooo far.......
no winning with airlines.....
Good luck to all of you .
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Do you have an idea when they will give the response, no news yet. Do you think that my candidature will not be considered (23 years old and EA32 rating) because I don't have jet time?
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I am not sure that you need high hours on jet to be considered for the S/O scheme........they put 2 ads on their website, 1 for S/O and the other one for qualified pilots with jet experience....
A guy with jet time won't apply for S/O i guess.
A guy with jet time won't apply for S/O i guess.