Current Gulf Air issues (threads merged)
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No problem with people posting here at all, thats what Pprune is for right??? just dont see the point in mentioning specific names or initials deserved or not..
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MH and FJ, you guys sound like the typical chicken sh*t guys out there who would rather do the most unproductive thing and whinge childishly without ever thinking of taking the first steps in rectifying your gripes. Man, you guys make pilots look bad.
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Sal-e with all due respect, I have a statement to make, and it may not be to your liking fair.
For you to say "unproductive" is not refuting my accusations but pretending not to see them. It is because of the likes of you that this airline today is in trouble, you don't see issues or pretend not to.
I am not a member of the British club, where it seems all alliances are made to run this airline on the basis of creed, and skin color and I have a problem with that.
Does that bother you? Or perhaps you approve of it because it serves your purpose to have such a forum where others' careers are decided around a pint of lager.
I have a bloody forum here and I will use to say what I know and until proven wrong or shown otherwise I will keep posting.
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For you to say "unproductive" is not refuting my accusations but pretending not to see them. It is because of the likes of you that this airline today is in trouble, you don't see issues or pretend not to.
I am not a member of the British club, where it seems all alliances are made to run this airline on the basis of creed, and skin color and I have a problem with that.
Does that bother you? Or perhaps you approve of it because it serves your purpose to have such a forum where others' careers are decided around a pint of lager.
I have a bloody forum here and I will use to say what I know and until proven wrong or shown otherwise I will keep posting.
OK?
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I would add Wendy's as one of the venues where decisions about this company's future are made, should say much about the nature of this quality management we're getting!
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If not at the British Club or Wendy's, then air the gripes on Pprune? Good luck in forming alliances here then. May your mission be productive.
By the way, I'm neither white nor a member of any club....just a regular pilot who'd take my issues directly to those involved.
By the way, I'm neither white nor a member of any club....just a regular pilot who'd take my issues directly to those involved.
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If I took your advice Sal-e then I should not speak of any issues that may be of great concern to me and others, but just talk to our "competent" Manager at GF.
What an innovative way of looking at things, I would have never thought of it, thank you for enlightening everyone on pprune with your brilliant ideas.
You have obviously been here long enough to know what happens to you when you divulge your concerns to management at GF...
God help GF if it's the likes of you that we are keeping, don't rock the boat for fear of being ejected and watch all that is wrong and pretend it ain't happening!
What an innovative way of looking at things, I would have never thought of it, thank you for enlightening everyone on pprune with your brilliant ideas.
You have obviously been here long enough to know what happens to you when you divulge your concerns to management at GF...
God help GF if it's the likes of you that we are keeping, don't rock the boat for fear of being ejected and watch all that is wrong and pretend it ain't happening!
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The sad truth is that some like Ironbutt and sal-e think that things work normally in this disfunctional airline, it also probably thanks to them that this airline is in the state it is in!
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Sorry, but Ironbutt does more than complain incessantly while doing nothing!!!!!!!! I know he's not particularly happy with the way GF has been run...and what does he do??????...he gets involved.......criticizes constructively......which is far more than most do.
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Yes cause a lot are smart enough to have realised that the way this company is run any form of criticism is seen in a negative light. Basically the minute you point out something they label you as a rebel or even worse don't even take into consideration what you're saying. So most have left or are leaving. Wonder why others keep on fighting the losing battle. Could be to do with limited options?
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Yeah for all the trolling IB does here on these forums he also gets involved and actually tries to improve things. So if he's bitching about something he at least can say he's trying to do something about it.
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I don't know about that Stratoshpere. I've sent quite a few emails to the COO lately about various different issues and my general lack of being impressed and he's always gotten back promptly and followed it up. I wouldn't have even bothered with the old management, but someone is at least reading the stuff i send in.
It's all stuff that should be included in captain voyage reports tbh, but no one seems to fill those out, and i'm not entirely sure that they get read by anyone.
It's all stuff that should be included in captain voyage reports tbh, but no one seems to fill those out, and i'm not entirely sure that they get read by anyone.
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Taskforce?
Sorry but no one was informed of any task forces being set up.
So who is the genius behind this and why was it not communicated to everyone accross the organisation?
So who is the genius behind this and why was it not communicated to everyone accross the organisation?
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At the end of the day with all the other higher-paying options around us, kind of makes you who is dysfunctional, myself and others, who at least see some light at the end of the tunnel and hope for the best, or guys who stay at GF, but hang around and bitch and moan about all of it??
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The Ops Task Force was set up through the COO's office to collect and track suggestions, ideas etc etc.
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"The sad truth is that some like Ironbutt and sal-e think that things work normally in this disfunctional airline, it also probably thanks to them that this airline is in the state it is in!"
Fagina and AwSS,
hmmmm....rather harsh accusations....dysfunctional airline.....thanks to the likes of us....!!
The COO had publicly invited those with issues to an open office for discussion. It has actually happened, and with results. Why don't you just take him up on that and try to prove him wrong? Bad experience from previous managements? You can not assume every management to be like their predecessors by default.
Emails are being answered promptly. CVRs are being replied to.....like never before.
A reasonable package is being formulated....one that is line with the cost of living index of Bahrain....more importantly, one that won't bust the bubble of a GF trying to recover.
Options are to leave or stay. I am obligated professionally to stay for a reasonable bond period. I shouldn't be wrong by doing so....and it has nothing to do with the fear of rocking the boat, Fagina!!
To be honest, I like it here. Nothing wrong with that either, is there?
There are better paying options south and east that could've easily afforded the bond balance. In fact, I was to be on the very first batch with EY because I more than exceeded their criterias. Decided against it in the end. Reason? I trully like it here, especially these exciting times.
GF will recover from this, mark my word. They will re-invent themselves, change the way they run things, and continue plodding along a new path until they get it right and until they re-establish themselves as a major player in the region.
The evidence of GF's need for recovery surrounds us. Bahrain is economically powerful for it's size. It is a financial powerhouse in a lot of countries' eyes, especially in the region. They're certainly wiser about investments because they're not resource-rich like their neighbours. Building projects for business and leisure continue endlessly. These obviously need to be filled. This simply means growth to me. And GF is an integral part of that growth.
There's nothing more thrilling in the aviation industry than being part of an airline that pulls themselves out of the proverbial ashes. Because it doesn't happen often and I have a lot of faith that little 'ole GF will.
You, on the other hand, don't even know that a task force had been formed for the purpose of voicing our concerns. I'm certain IB plays a part in that team. And what do you mean no one was informed about this group? They even mentioned it on the GDN (out of all places)!! Please, get your head out of your @rse buddy before mouthing off your bit.
The crap you've posted here is just that. Crap! Maybe you should take your crap to some other poor airline to put up with. Because I agree with the IB. You trully are dysfunctional to be hanging around people who are a lot more hopeful.
Fagina and AwSS,
hmmmm....rather harsh accusations....dysfunctional airline.....thanks to the likes of us....!!
The COO had publicly invited those with issues to an open office for discussion. It has actually happened, and with results. Why don't you just take him up on that and try to prove him wrong? Bad experience from previous managements? You can not assume every management to be like their predecessors by default.
Emails are being answered promptly. CVRs are being replied to.....like never before.
A reasonable package is being formulated....one that is line with the cost of living index of Bahrain....more importantly, one that won't bust the bubble of a GF trying to recover.
Options are to leave or stay. I am obligated professionally to stay for a reasonable bond period. I shouldn't be wrong by doing so....and it has nothing to do with the fear of rocking the boat, Fagina!!
To be honest, I like it here. Nothing wrong with that either, is there?
There are better paying options south and east that could've easily afforded the bond balance. In fact, I was to be on the very first batch with EY because I more than exceeded their criterias. Decided against it in the end. Reason? I trully like it here, especially these exciting times.
GF will recover from this, mark my word. They will re-invent themselves, change the way they run things, and continue plodding along a new path until they get it right and until they re-establish themselves as a major player in the region.
The evidence of GF's need for recovery surrounds us. Bahrain is economically powerful for it's size. It is a financial powerhouse in a lot of countries' eyes, especially in the region. They're certainly wiser about investments because they're not resource-rich like their neighbours. Building projects for business and leisure continue endlessly. These obviously need to be filled. This simply means growth to me. And GF is an integral part of that growth.
There's nothing more thrilling in the aviation industry than being part of an airline that pulls themselves out of the proverbial ashes. Because it doesn't happen often and I have a lot of faith that little 'ole GF will.
You, on the other hand, don't even know that a task force had been formed for the purpose of voicing our concerns. I'm certain IB plays a part in that team. And what do you mean no one was informed about this group? They even mentioned it on the GDN (out of all places)!! Please, get your head out of your @rse buddy before mouthing off your bit.
The crap you've posted here is just that. Crap! Maybe you should take your crap to some other poor airline to put up with. Because I agree with the IB. You trully are dysfunctional to be hanging around people who are a lot more hopeful.
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Sal-e,
It's good someone at least shows this management some trust and provides a slightly different opinion on this forum. Not that I agree with you but at least it provides a forum for debate.
I read your comments carefully but you failed to mention that this management was not acting this way from the start. They in fact came in "guns blazing" and attacked the pilots and cabin crew with threats of sackings (see GDN and their own announcements of 1500 expats to be sacked) when in reality the only real productive staff members in this airline are the crew (sorry Icarus, you too mate and a few others).
When the other 3 major airlines in the region all pitched up and started taking names down, Mr Naf and Co changed their tune. Mr Kooheji even publically contradicted himself as never saying 1500 crew would be sacked.
Now my question is how can you trust such management when they change their tune at the drop of a hat? How do you know that in 10-12 months as officially quoted by Naf on company email they wont sack you?
There obviously is an agenda on the horizon, most likely involving downsizing the airline and cutting costs in order to go public. Now that could be good and then again could be bad. Once this airline goes public it will be run wholy and truly by beancounters.
The good days of GF are over sadly my friend, I say this and it truly saddens me because I have spent several decades in the service of this airline. I have seen the good, the fair the bad and the ugly. I've seen the corruption the abuse the downright greed of those who "managed" this airline for years. Dont dream of magic recoveries to past glories, in today's market it's simply impossible with giants like EK, QR and the up and comming EY. These airlines can have GF for breakfast and still be hungry for brunch.
The present management team were not brought in to do a recovery, they were brought in to do the dirty work to whats comming.
It's good someone at least shows this management some trust and provides a slightly different opinion on this forum. Not that I agree with you but at least it provides a forum for debate.
I read your comments carefully but you failed to mention that this management was not acting this way from the start. They in fact came in "guns blazing" and attacked the pilots and cabin crew with threats of sackings (see GDN and their own announcements of 1500 expats to be sacked) when in reality the only real productive staff members in this airline are the crew (sorry Icarus, you too mate and a few others).
When the other 3 major airlines in the region all pitched up and started taking names down, Mr Naf and Co changed their tune. Mr Kooheji even publically contradicted himself as never saying 1500 crew would be sacked.
Now my question is how can you trust such management when they change their tune at the drop of a hat? How do you know that in 10-12 months as officially quoted by Naf on company email they wont sack you?
There obviously is an agenda on the horizon, most likely involving downsizing the airline and cutting costs in order to go public. Now that could be good and then again could be bad. Once this airline goes public it will be run wholy and truly by beancounters.
The good days of GF are over sadly my friend, I say this and it truly saddens me because I have spent several decades in the service of this airline. I have seen the good, the fair the bad and the ugly. I've seen the corruption the abuse the downright greed of those who "managed" this airline for years. Dont dream of magic recoveries to past glories, in today's market it's simply impossible with giants like EK, QR and the up and comming EY. These airlines can have GF for breakfast and still be hungry for brunch.
The present management team were not brought in to do a recovery, they were brought in to do the dirty work to whats comming.
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with giants like EK, QR and the up and comming EY. These airlines can have GF for breakfast and still be hungry for brunch.
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CaptHYBalls,
It has nothing to do with trust in management. But it has a lot to do with what I think their intention was, which was:
1. to streamline the airline and
2. to restructure it's route for efficiency and productivity.
Of course, their intention and what actually happened ended up being two different things.
I look at intentions and hope for the best.
It has nothing to do with trust in management. But it has a lot to do with what I think their intention was, which was:
1. to streamline the airline and
2. to restructure it's route for efficiency and productivity.
Of course, their intention and what actually happened ended up being two different things.
I look at intentions and hope for the best.
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For those still interested, I was just told by a very high source outside GF that this management has managed to totally dimoralize GF and if masses leave they will pay the price.
The source was confident this management would not last more than 3 months in any case.
The source was confident this management would not last more than 3 months in any case.