Current Gulf Air issues (threads merged)
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pilots poaching
Capt. ALfakeem,
I agree with you that not all of those who took the decision have based it on emotion, but I certainly agree with the writer that a lot of them have? As the Gulf Air management until now have not issued a single notice to any pilot, or even sacked one except Capt. Hameed Ali which I personally believe was a mistake.
But, on the contrary, they have increased all pilots salaries in attempt to keep them, even some of the board members intervened personally and manged to stop a group of young pilots from leaving ( see Btv program on Gulf Air ) .
I fully agree with you that the whole shambles have started after the disaster Press conference by the new management in which they through a big Stone in the water ! and it was also compounded later on , when the rival Airlines of the Gulf staged there Road Show in Bahrain to poach our dear friends.
hang on guys
I agree with you that not all of those who took the decision have based it on emotion, but I certainly agree with the writer that a lot of them have? As the Gulf Air management until now have not issued a single notice to any pilot, or even sacked one except Capt. Hameed Ali which I personally believe was a mistake.
But, on the contrary, they have increased all pilots salaries in attempt to keep them, even some of the board members intervened personally and manged to stop a group of young pilots from leaving ( see Btv program on Gulf Air ) .
I fully agree with you that the whole shambles have started after the disaster Press conference by the new management in which they through a big Stone in the water ! and it was also compounded later on , when the rival Airlines of the Gulf staged there Road Show in Bahrain to poach our dear friends.
hang on guys
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Mike,
Becuase as the writer have said in the article that the :
" Grass is not greener on the other side "
also not necessarly that thing will conitnue the same way for ever, I belive the good days will come again , and Gulf Air will be strong again with this mangement or without , THE GOVERNMENT have taken the decision that this Airline is here to stay , and
I certinaly hope that it will be with you " Mike " ?
Becuase as the writer have said in the article that the :
" Grass is not greener on the other side "
also not necessarly that thing will conitnue the same way for ever, I belive the good days will come again , and Gulf Air will be strong again with this mangement or without , THE GOVERNMENT have taken the decision that this Airline is here to stay , and
I certinaly hope that it will be with you " Mike " ?
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DISCOVER.... if you didn't make it to the roadshows, you can still apply on line mate
. Loyalty has nothing to do with the exodus of GF pilots towards greener pastures, buisiness is buisiness and the highest bidder always wins
. Loyalty has nothing to do with the exodus of GF pilots towards greener pastures, buisiness is buisiness and the highest bidder always wins
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"Business is Business" where 'greener pastures' are concerned; yet "Business is (not) Business" when faced with the sack? Seems a fairly 'pilot' point of view!
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dear oh dear ..... looks like AD has either played this very wrong, or he's planned this all along.
As well as the cabin crew and pilots all deserting the GF ship, there are plenty of expat managers that are now walking as they feel unsecure at GF. Contracts are not getting renewed and those who have contracts up later in the year or even next year are upping now as there are plenty of jobs around.
So, the crew leave and the expat managers (some good, some indifferent) go, so what do you have left ... the bahraini's running the show (that's after the omanis run as well).
Now GF run by bahraini's ..... good luck AD as you will need more than inshallah to run this sinking ship.
As well as the cabin crew and pilots all deserting the GF ship, there are plenty of expat managers that are now walking as they feel unsecure at GF. Contracts are not getting renewed and those who have contracts up later in the year or even next year are upping now as there are plenty of jobs around.
So, the crew leave and the expat managers (some good, some indifferent) go, so what do you have left ... the bahraini's running the show (that's after the omanis run as well).
Now GF run by bahraini's ..... good luck AD as you will need more than inshallah to run this sinking ship.
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Discover,
Whatever nonsense you are trying to prove? The latest VP nomination should say it all, I doubt GF will ever get better.
By yhe looks of it, it is sinking and taking its prople with it.
Corruption is still rife in every corner, same old folks are running the show, delays like no tomorrow, and the canteen these days shows full house from 7am, can you show me where it is getting better?
I think like some who believe that by nationalizing the airline it will run better, you are dreaming of Santa Claus jumping in through the air duct of your 1st floor office!
Getting better! Yea right! in your dreams habibi!
Whatever nonsense you are trying to prove? The latest VP nomination should say it all, I doubt GF will ever get better.
By yhe looks of it, it is sinking and taking its prople with it.
Corruption is still rife in every corner, same old folks are running the show, delays like no tomorrow, and the canteen these days shows full house from 7am, can you show me where it is getting better?
I think like some who believe that by nationalizing the airline it will run better, you are dreaming of Santa Claus jumping in through the air duct of your 1st floor office!
Getting better! Yea right! in your dreams habibi!
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What happened with the salary increase?
Hola super porsche!. Sadly I printed my salary slip this afternoon and could realise that no increase was paid and the supposedly 200 BD weren't in my account. The only thing I saw was a message from Mr. Nef asking us NOT to leave because GF is the best airline in the middle east and that they are still working in the "new attracive package". Man, I'm getting tired of some many Bull 
t.....Really needed the extra 200 and more of course, but 200 bd would have help me pay the bloody insurance of my car. Anyway, GF keep disappointing us everyday. did you read the message form Nef. Call me dude!
t.....Really needed the extra 200 and more of course, but 200 bd would have help me pay the bloody insurance of my car. Anyway, GF keep disappointing us everyday. did you read the message form Nef. Call me dude!
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sad we have many problems. surprised that new management has not realized that clear communication is a must especially to a group pf worried employees. also being clear and accurate is the only way to creat trust which Bjorn is trying to get i think they need to take some massive strides forward in this department.
also in latest blog on aims. said not laying off in the foreseeable 6months to year i think.....well does that mean in 1 year i will be looking for work?
i hope these answers are coming as promised in the coming "weeks" cause this makes even the most committed guy get cold feet.
hope for the best....it may happen or not, atleast for those who want to leave you have options
also in latest blog on aims. said not laying off in the foreseeable 6months to year i think.....well does that mean in 1 year i will be looking for work?
i hope these answers are coming as promised in the coming "weeks" cause this makes even the most committed guy get cold feet.
hope for the best....it may happen or not, atleast for those who want to leave you have options
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http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=30069
Whoever's waiting for their 200BD payrise (which will be Junes paycheque ie more July than June) will also need to wait for their new package at the end of July.
The problem from the above article is that every airline in the region has announced their remuneration packages along with their terms and conditions. Why not Gulf Air? All have laid their cards on the table, all except Gulf Air.
What's with the big secret?
Pilots and, indeed the airlines employees do not like surprises when it comes to their income. We chose our careers paths based on this.
Meanwhile, the brain-drain continues, not necessarily to greener pastures but because of what we know of.
Nobody likes to plunge into the dark as Gulf Air has subjected it's employees to.
The package may end up being attractive. There may be a coupla hundreds dinars added here and subtracted there. And overall, it may still be worth ones while to remain.
So then, what the hell is with the big secret? Maybe they want people to leave. That's all I can think of.
Whoever's waiting for their 200BD payrise (which will be Junes paycheque ie more July than June) will also need to wait for their new package at the end of July.
The problem from the above article is that every airline in the region has announced their remuneration packages along with their terms and conditions. Why not Gulf Air? All have laid their cards on the table, all except Gulf Air.
What's with the big secret?
Pilots and, indeed the airlines employees do not like surprises when it comes to their income. We chose our careers paths based on this.
Meanwhile, the brain-drain continues, not necessarily to greener pastures but because of what we know of.
Nobody likes to plunge into the dark as Gulf Air has subjected it's employees to.
The package may end up being attractive. There may be a coupla hundreds dinars added here and subtracted there. And overall, it may still be worth ones while to remain.
So then, what the hell is with the big secret? Maybe they want people to leave. That's all I can think of.
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Budget Surplus
Irony the Owner of GF announces his Budget has a surplus of 141 Million BHD.This includes the lossesmade by Gulf Air.
They want to make it more by making profit from GF as well.
They want to make it more by making profit from GF as well.
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http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=30070
Interesting quote from that article..........
"The experienced and qualified cabin and cockpit crew had no option but to look around for jobs in search of security and stability in their careers and their future," he said.
"It is little consolation to the staff to read in this new memo that the sackings will take place in 10 to 12 months time.
"What he (Mr Naf) is trying to say is: 'Stay with us while we try to stabilise ourselves in the next 10 to 12 months and then we will sack you'."
"It is little consolation to the staff to read in this new memo that the sackings will take place in 10 to 12 months time.
"What he (Mr Naf) is trying to say is: 'Stay with us while we try to stabilise ourselves in the next 10 to 12 months and then we will sack you'."
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Interesting quote but it is exactly what I took from that memo. My question is, can these two (Dozy and Naf) put two words together without sounding stupid and out of their depth? We could laugh at all the poor communications that have come from these two if it was not so serious.
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The article also mentions that 320 of the 506 GF pilots have applied for other jobs, that's 63%! If this figure is even close then that's staggering. The new boss announcing job cuts so early in his tenure could go down as one of the biggest blunders in the history of Gulf Air
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The biggest blunder in history is that the management that remains from the previous era is still there, theft and misapropriation of company funds still goes on, and nothing is done about it.
It is not the crew or the employees who are the cause of Gulf air's demise, it's the sorry ignorent management that is still there!
Andre wake up from your dose!
It is not the crew or the employees who are the cause of Gulf air's demise, it's the sorry ignorent management that is still there!
Andre wake up from your dose!
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I would like to quote a exert from the latest email we got from that literary genius Mr Naf for your consideration.
In other words what Mr Naf is saying is dont worry boys and gals we wont sack anyone now, bare with us and work hard to get the company organized and we'll sack you when we're good and ready in 10 to 12 months time.
How's that for communications skills and a moral booster hay?
Run and run hard.
Best of luck to all
Cheers
Fluffies
As we are all aware that our airline has been in the news and the recent media coverage has indicated that there will be significant reduction at Gulf Air staff, especially in the cabin and cockpit crew, in the coming month.
This is not correct. The process of cabin and cockpit crew staff reduction will take 10 to 12 months
This is not correct. The process of cabin and cockpit crew staff reduction will take 10 to 12 months
How's that for communications skills and a moral booster hay?
Run and run hard.
Best of luck to all
Cheers
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The new boss announcing job cuts so early in his tenure could go down as one of the biggest blunders in the history of Gulf Air
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Strangers in the night!
Sounds like they've just left their gig in Las Vegas, shiny lights, big songs, and no substance.
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Not to sound like a collaborator, but am I the only one who reads the memo differently. I think the point they are making is that 10-12 months down the line, they will have chipped away the people they don't want or need, so by that time they won't need to sack anyone, hence the use of his favourite phrase "natural attrition".
Don't get me wrong, I think they shot themselves in the foot big-time, but if you cast your mind back to the first mention of job losses, it was actually the Chairman of the board, Mr. Kooheji who started coming out with the figures of 1500 "expat crew" - Dose and and co. never mentioned this.
It seems that every time Dose is in the papers, this Kooheji character is in the next day saying something slightly different. Whether to appease the locals or just get his name in the papers, it's certainly causing most of the rumours and bad feelings...
just my ha'pennys worth,,,
roger, oveur.
Don't get me wrong, I think they shot themselves in the foot big-time, but if you cast your mind back to the first mention of job losses, it was actually the Chairman of the board, Mr. Kooheji who started coming out with the figures of 1500 "expat crew" - Dose and and co. never mentioned this.
It seems that every time Dose is in the papers, this Kooheji character is in the next day saying something slightly different. Whether to appease the locals or just get his name in the papers, it's certainly causing most of the rumours and bad feelings...
just my ha'pennys worth,,,
roger, oveur.