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Ahad a Dump: Very funny...really. And to all others that have laboured long and hard to secure my 'new' working conditions by airing their unhappiness on forums like these, I thank you. Carry on campaigning!
Back to my herbal tea and whale music then... Crinklstein
Back to my herbal tea and whale music then... Crinklstein
Seems someone upset the new boy. Bugg@!!!!
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Don
Off to give and not receive.
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Backwater,
I agree, loyalty is what they most want to see. Our regal boss, Mr AAR, when finding out that a few boys were applying to Dragonair a couple of years back, said 'tell me their names and get rid of them. If they don't want to work here, we don't want them!" True story from a guy that was in the meeting. Nice place to work hey?
The only thing I have to say about loyalty is that it's a shame it's a one way street. I'd be nice to see a little coming back our way. Things like this tend to feed off of each other....
CO
I agree, loyalty is what they most want to see. Our regal boss, Mr AAR, when finding out that a few boys were applying to Dragonair a couple of years back, said 'tell me their names and get rid of them. If they don't want to work here, we don't want them!" True story from a guy that was in the meeting. Nice place to work hey?
The only thing I have to say about loyalty is that it's a shame it's a one way street. I'd be nice to see a little coming back our way. Things like this tend to feed off of each other....
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On a slightly different thread, I think its wonderful that everyone is getting 30 days leave this year - I thought the contract said 42 days!!! In my case it is totally laughable because having been given the 30 days that I apparently should be so happy about, they still owe me 33
PS not a hope in hell of gettting the extra 33 days this year if you look at the leave calendar. They still insist we are not short of pilots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS not a hope in hell of gettting the extra 33 days this year if you look at the leave calendar. They still insist we are not short of pilots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Perfect
I remember when nobody i mean nobody ever responded to anything on this forum positively more importantly negatively. About Emirates.
The airline was reasonably happy and therefore there was no reason to bitch or complain.
However from 2003 onwards this has not been the case. Something has been introduced into the greater scheme of things that has caused massive discontent amongst the people that mean the most to the ultimate expansion plans and longevity of this airline and for that matter DUBAI, that is its PILOT workforce and that of its frontline personnel in general.
5 years ago, you would not hear very blatant SLAGGING off of this airlines product or its practices RE COST CUTTING, which is the management BUZZ word of modern aviation. But now on any crew bus return to CBC, that is all you hear, tired this fatigued that, cannnot wait to leave this, i have already resigned that, ETC ETC ETC . It is disheartning and demoralizing and unfortunately most of it is true and well deserved.
This airline will yet again announce record profits on the backs of its VERY cheap labour force, and behind closed doors will be patting each other on their backs for a job well done!!
The crux of the matter is something needs to be done to improve morale in this forever declining atmosphere of contempt and disgust for this company. To start with the removal of those disgusting and provocotive FULL blown posters and banners in customs telling us to stop being THEIVING BASTARDS.
This company is heading into decline, we are peaking now but are relying on great PR which i cannot deny,BUT THAT is the only department I am willing to concede to as being GREAT!!!!! The rest is mediocre!! AT BEST!!
I will not say to anybody do not come and see for yourselves, infact i openly encourage it. However does anybody not get a pang of guilt or embarresment when they see an open TOP bus Trawling the streets of Dubai taking tourists to see the TOP SPOTS of dubai in stinking heat, caught in the nightmare of 24 hour traffic. To see those poor tourists in that open top bus sitting there in pain having spent over the top prices to see WHAT exactly, EMIRATES MALL, THE BURJ, just what exactly!!!
So when all the first timers have been DUPED to spending 24 hours here, do you think we are going to get return business, my guess is a big fat NO!!!
Is this airline going to survive the next TEN years without a serious unblockable, newsworthy INCIDENT, or god forbid the worst case senario, in my humble opinion NAHH!
We are entering a VERY VERY crucial stage in the further developement and expansion of this airline, and all trends, however profitable in the short term,point to an underlying trend of decline in the quality and motivation of its frontline staff!!
Take heed Emirates, you are ****ting in your own nest!! Unless you like the smell of your own faeces you had better be more mindful and respecful of your frontline staff and find ways to motivate staff,retain pilots and entice quality pilots to join OR face the the inevitable fact that you will ALWAYS be an ALSO RAN second string airline with great PR!!
Over and OUT!!
The airline was reasonably happy and therefore there was no reason to bitch or complain.
However from 2003 onwards this has not been the case. Something has been introduced into the greater scheme of things that has caused massive discontent amongst the people that mean the most to the ultimate expansion plans and longevity of this airline and for that matter DUBAI, that is its PILOT workforce and that of its frontline personnel in general.
5 years ago, you would not hear very blatant SLAGGING off of this airlines product or its practices RE COST CUTTING, which is the management BUZZ word of modern aviation. But now on any crew bus return to CBC, that is all you hear, tired this fatigued that, cannnot wait to leave this, i have already resigned that, ETC ETC ETC . It is disheartning and demoralizing and unfortunately most of it is true and well deserved.
This airline will yet again announce record profits on the backs of its VERY cheap labour force, and behind closed doors will be patting each other on their backs for a job well done!!
The crux of the matter is something needs to be done to improve morale in this forever declining atmosphere of contempt and disgust for this company. To start with the removal of those disgusting and provocotive FULL blown posters and banners in customs telling us to stop being THEIVING BASTARDS.
This company is heading into decline, we are peaking now but are relying on great PR which i cannot deny,BUT THAT is the only department I am willing to concede to as being GREAT!!!!! The rest is mediocre!! AT BEST!!
I will not say to anybody do not come and see for yourselves, infact i openly encourage it. However does anybody not get a pang of guilt or embarresment when they see an open TOP bus Trawling the streets of Dubai taking tourists to see the TOP SPOTS of dubai in stinking heat, caught in the nightmare of 24 hour traffic. To see those poor tourists in that open top bus sitting there in pain having spent over the top prices to see WHAT exactly, EMIRATES MALL, THE BURJ, just what exactly!!!
So when all the first timers have been DUPED to spending 24 hours here, do you think we are going to get return business, my guess is a big fat NO!!!
Is this airline going to survive the next TEN years without a serious unblockable, newsworthy INCIDENT, or god forbid the worst case senario, in my humble opinion NAHH!
We are entering a VERY VERY crucial stage in the further developement and expansion of this airline, and all trends, however profitable in the short term,point to an underlying trend of decline in the quality and motivation of its frontline staff!!
Take heed Emirates, you are ****ting in your own nest!! Unless you like the smell of your own faeces you had better be more mindful and respecful of your frontline staff and find ways to motivate staff,retain pilots and entice quality pilots to join OR face the the inevitable fact that you will ALWAYS be an ALSO RAN second string airline with great PR!!
Over and OUT!!
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BIKKERDENNAH makes an interesting point - I can remember only a year or two ago quite a few people (myself included, I think) lambasting Cap56 (in any one of his many guises) and defending EK against his (what to most if us then seemed) unfair criticism of the company.
I haven't noticed any posts on this forum from Cap56 in quite a while, but find myself wondering if the same people who came out of the woodwork to defend EK then would be as vocal today as they were then.
Like BIKKERDENNAH, I have to admit to some serious concern for the future of EK unless someone at or near the top addresses the issues that are so concerning many if not most of the pilots in the company. I'm not a malcontent - anyone who takes the time to look through my posts on this forum will find that I'm not one of those who usually moan about EK - but I have to admit to being very worried about the future of the company.
Most of the areas of concern could be quite easily addressed, and I suspect some of the fixes would actually save the company money, if only in reduced wastage ffrom disaffected pilots leaving.
I haven't noticed any posts on this forum from Cap56 in quite a while, but find myself wondering if the same people who came out of the woodwork to defend EK then would be as vocal today as they were then.
Like BIKKERDENNAH, I have to admit to some serious concern for the future of EK unless someone at or near the top addresses the issues that are so concerning many if not most of the pilots in the company. I'm not a malcontent - anyone who takes the time to look through my posts on this forum will find that I'm not one of those who usually moan about EK - but I have to admit to being very worried about the future of the company.
Most of the areas of concern could be quite easily addressed, and I suspect some of the fixes would actually save the company money, if only in reduced wastage ffrom disaffected pilots leaving.
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Maybe we all should try to find happiness or fullfilment outside of how much money we make
I for one would happily give up the increase if I could only work my contracted hours and get my 42 days leave to pursue things which increase my happiness. However the reality is I have avergaged 95 hrs block (115 - 130Hrs Credit!!!!!!) for the last six months and spend a good deal of my time off just trying to fell human.
So it's not all about money but unfortunately thay don't get it
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Sly Simmulator Support Duties mean 10 in a month when you have exceeded 900hr limit
The Latest Fleet Facts should explain clearly that the message will not get through.Just read what is said about SIM support duties on page 22 !
Company FCI 2006 Instruction that Pilots who have exceeded the 900 hour total will now be rosterd for up to a maximum of 5 simm support sessions
Changed again in 2007 to now allow an additional 5 Standby Simm Support ( SSS )all though it really should go by the name Sly Sneaky Simm Support so now its perfectly ok to roster a guy for 10 support Simm Sessions in the month he should be recovering and having nothing at all to do with flying.
Read the last paragraph of the
”…….Hate to state the obvious but isn’t the reason the guy is Rosterd OFF then later given SIMM STBY was because he was out of hours in the first place.
Just to make it clear, Company are OK with you as a Captain or support pilot in the simm to a guy doing a PPC or Upgrade when your rosterd off for exceeding the legal Flying Hour Limitation. Is this not 130 % productivity! Nice one Guys and I thought the time off was to forget about flying and relax and recover.
This all sounds very familiar …remember the Flight Time Limitation FCI Factoring allowing 120 or more hours in 28 days to allow for the huge expansion and training with the arrival of the Airbus A340. The assurance things would settle down, fly less yearly hours and we would get more pilots and things would change……………..
Now we have a shortage of pilots even to crew simulators!
Annual Leave unable to be taken in full
Company Really pleased that they could give out 30 Days instead of 42
Pilot Hours problem with the 12 month 900 limitation
Credibility has been given another beating !
Company FCI 2006 Instruction that Pilots who have exceeded the 900 hour total will now be rosterd for up to a maximum of 5 simm support sessions
Changed again in 2007 to now allow an additional 5 Standby Simm Support ( SSS )all though it really should go by the name Sly Sneaky Simm Support so now its perfectly ok to roster a guy for 10 support Simm Sessions in the month he should be recovering and having nothing at all to do with flying.
Read the last paragraph of the
Fleet Facts when it is stated that “This stand by time cannot be used for line flights
Just to make it clear, Company are OK with you as a Captain or support pilot in the simm to a guy doing a PPC or Upgrade when your rosterd off for exceeding the legal Flying Hour Limitation. Is this not 130 % productivity! Nice one Guys and I thought the time off was to forget about flying and relax and recover.
This all sounds very familiar …remember the Flight Time Limitation FCI Factoring allowing 120 or more hours in 28 days to allow for the huge expansion and training with the arrival of the Airbus A340. The assurance things would settle down, fly less yearly hours and we would get more pilots and things would change……………..
Now we have a shortage of pilots even to crew simulators!
Annual Leave unable to be taken in full
Company Really pleased that they could give out 30 Days instead of 42
Pilot Hours problem with the 12 month 900 limitation
Credibility has been given another beating !
