Emirates Or Cathay Pacific
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Can only speak for EK and don't know anything about you.
If it was me, and I had a choice, it would be easy. CX without a doubt. I know the sandpit and would not come here now even if I could.
Good luck either way mate. Let us know what you think a year from now.
If it was me, and I had a choice, it would be easy. CX without a doubt. I know the sandpit and would not come here now even if I could.
Good luck either way mate. Let us know what you think a year from now.
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From: Desert Pit
Thankyou Guys For All The Replies
A great thankyou to all those whom have responded to my message, its great to get other peoples opinions in this situation. I will obviously attend the both interviews and then make my decision what is best for me and my family.
I have also placed the same question in the Harbour section and dont worry, it would be interesting to see what response i get from people from that neck of the wood....so to speak....
Can anyone compare the level of difficulty between CX & EK interviews?...
I have also placed the same question in the Harbour section and dont worry, it would be interesting to see what response i get from people from that neck of the wood....so to speak....
Can anyone compare the level of difficulty between CX & EK interviews?...
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From: lapbandland
Where would you like to have your family? In the stinking Desert, where
its 40C for 9 months of the year on half the salary.
Or, in one of about 15 choices of basings around the world, many
career options, freighter commands, do some time in HKG, Cathay
will buy you a house.
What in hell are you doing comparing living in Dubai with LON SFO LAX
NYC DFW ATL FRA SYD MEL BNE PER YVR etc. on about twice the pay.
There are 2 main downsides at CX, pollution in HKG, and a dozen or so
moronic Check and Trainers. Otherwise its a no brainer!!!
Go and sit in the desert for your career, if you need some guidance
on the decision, visit Dubai anytime between say March and September.
Good luck with the decision. SHEESE you need help!
its 40C for 9 months of the year on half the salary.
Or, in one of about 15 choices of basings around the world, many
career options, freighter commands, do some time in HKG, Cathay
will buy you a house.
What in hell are you doing comparing living in Dubai with LON SFO LAX
NYC DFW ATL FRA SYD MEL BNE PER YVR etc. on about twice the pay.
There are 2 main downsides at CX, pollution in HKG, and a dozen or so
moronic Check and Trainers. Otherwise its a no brainer!!!
Go and sit in the desert for your career, if you need some guidance
on the decision, visit Dubai anytime between say March and September.
Good luck with the decision. SHEESE you need help!
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From: neverland
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CLEANCRUISER,
Reading your initial post I would suggest you concentrate on EK.
Overall rate of application to employment offer at CX for DEFO is less than 1 in 200, EK is an order of magnitude better.
CX is not the place to go if you want anything to happen quick. For a command you will be at least 4 years behind current SO being upgraded to FO. It’s a seniority system, you would have to wait for a SO employed before you for their command before you got yours. If you fail a check on the way, it could be never.
If you have the hours for DEFO at CX you would have the hours for DE command at EK, push for DE command at EK.
Use EK to get you into a position which seems closer to what you want, like from EK back to SQ in a few years. They will no doubt use you on the way, may as well return the treatment.
Reading your initial post I would suggest you concentrate on EK.
Overall rate of application to employment offer at CX for DEFO is less than 1 in 200, EK is an order of magnitude better.
CX is not the place to go if you want anything to happen quick. For a command you will be at least 4 years behind current SO being upgraded to FO. It’s a seniority system, you would have to wait for a SO employed before you for their command before you got yours. If you fail a check on the way, it could be never.
If you have the hours for DEFO at CX you would have the hours for DE command at EK, push for DE command at EK.
Use EK to get you into a position which seems closer to what you want, like from EK back to SQ in a few years. They will no doubt use you on the way, may as well return the treatment.
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From: Sandy beach
Seniority system? What a novel idea...just ask a senior Airbus FO who doesn't quailfy for command. Most of whom have many years of international widebody experience with first rate training that means nothing. Rico shows up with extensive "charter" experience on his 737, but has never left his country on a layover is given priority for command. Unreal 
This outfit just has no idea on relevant experience, only hours in a logbook.
At least with CX the system is fair and reasonable.
This outfit just has no idea on relevant experience, only hours in a logbook.At least with CX the system is fair and reasonable.
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From: min rest
In Gf a 12years service Captain then newly promoted to the L1011 and also in charge of national training left to become a Cathay F/o.
Also a very good B737 Captain also left Gf to become a Cathay F/o.
That was in around 1981..........so this transfer of skills Eastwards is hardly new.
Then there were the many very good GF L1011 and B767 Captains that went to DEC SIA.
Cricky.... Even Gulf National Captains dumped GF for airlines Eastwards.
Double Cricky...Even the Gf CEO and his Management team went Eastwards.
I wonder why everyone goes Eastwards?
Also a very good B737 Captain also left Gf to become a Cathay F/o.
That was in around 1981..........so this transfer of skills Eastwards is hardly new.
Then there were the many very good GF L1011 and B767 Captains that went to DEC SIA.
Cricky.... Even Gulf National Captains dumped GF for airlines Eastwards.
Double Cricky...Even the Gf CEO and his Management team went Eastwards.
I wonder why everyone goes Eastwards?
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From: Dubai
Star Fleet Command or Space Cakes?
With an Amsterdam base opening up for A340 FOs (see F.I.) EK will have to make some serious adjustments to avoid having even more pilots leave for Cathay. A first class carrier employing people in the real world - who in their right mind would want to come to Dubai anymore? 
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From: In from the fringe
The Ad For Cathay
A340 First Officer - Europe
Posted
29 Nov 06
Close date
31 Dec 07
Location
Europe
Contact
Assistant Manager Flight Crew Recruitment Carol de la Harpe
Apply for this Job
Job Description
Minimum Requirements:
1) An ICAO Airline Transport Pilot's Licence (ATPL)
2) A minimum of 1000 hours in one of the following categories:
- Airline Jet Transport
- Command Turbo Prop (MAUW greater than 20,000 Kgs)
- High Performance Military Jet
3) A mimimum of 500 Airbus flying hours
4) A current Class One Medical
5) Fluent spoken & written English
6) Experience commensurate with age
7) The right to live and work in Europe
Available base: Amsterdam
To update or apply please visit the Careers Page of www.cathaypacific.com.
I would give my first born to live in Dubai and fly for Emirates ,but this is moot point...
Enjoy
jones
Posted
29 Nov 06
Close date
31 Dec 07
Location
Europe
Contact
Assistant Manager Flight Crew Recruitment Carol de la Harpe
Apply for this Job
Job Description
Minimum Requirements:
1) An ICAO Airline Transport Pilot's Licence (ATPL)
2) A minimum of 1000 hours in one of the following categories:
- Airline Jet Transport
- Command Turbo Prop (MAUW greater than 20,000 Kgs)
- High Performance Military Jet
3) A mimimum of 500 Airbus flying hours
4) A current Class One Medical
5) Fluent spoken & written English
6) Experience commensurate with age
7) The right to live and work in Europe
Available base: Amsterdam
To update or apply please visit the Careers Page of www.cathaypacific.com.
I would give my first born to live in Dubai and fly for Emirates ,but this is moot point...
Enjoy
jones
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Thanks for the add, whereas your last comment could also qualify you for this:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...5&postcount=31
china
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...5&postcount=31
china
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From: Bit nosey aren't you
Emirates vs Cathay
I can't remember which thread stated * "There is no way a Cathay Second Officer earns as much as an Emirates Captain."
Well here is some info taken from the following references and using todays exchange rate:
www.emiratesgroupcareers.com
and
http://www.askcaptainlim.com/aspilotsalarycathay.htm
Not taking either companies housing allowance into account; just looking at spondoolies here is the picture according to the references:
Emirates
Year 1 F/O 19660 AED/mth = 41555HKD/Mth = 498,660/Yr
Year 3 F/O 20857 AED/mth = 44085HKD/Mth = 529020/Yr
Year 1 Cap 28060 AED/Mth = 59310HKD/Mth = 711720/Yr
Year 8 Cap 34509 AED/Mth = 72941HKD/Mth = 875292/Yr
Looking at the scales below:
A 4 year Cathay S/O earns slightly more than a 3 Year EK F/O.
A Cathay F/O earns more than a starting EK Captain
'Obviously' Ek provides quicker promotion but a 3 Year Cathay Captain earns as much as a 13 Year Emirates Captain.
So whoever made the above * statement was nearly telling the truth. At least closer to the truth than EK when they spout about their basket of airlines and a competitive salary.
Ghost
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This is the breakdown of Cathay Salaries in HKD from the reference:
Pilots Salary in Cathay Pacific Airways
Year Monthly (HK $) Annual (HK$)
Second Officer (SO)
1 $ 32,213.00 $ 386,556.00
2 $ 36,080.00 $ 432,960.00
3 $ 40,410.00 $ 484,920.00
4 $ 45,259.00 $ 543,108.00
Junior First Officer (JFO)
1 $ 49,421.00 $ 593,052.00
2 $ 55,352.00 $ 664,224.00
First Officer (FO)
1 $ 64,265.00 $ 771,180.00
2 $ 65,343.00 $ 784,116.00
3 $ 66,443.00 $ 797,316.00
4 $ 67,565.00 $ 810,780.00
Senior First Officer (SFO)
1 $ 69,854.00 $ 838,248.00
2 $ 71,639.00 $ 859,668.00
3 $ 73,478.00 $ 881,736.00
4 $ 75,371.00 $ 904,452.00
5 $ 77,322.00 $ 927,864.00
6 $ 79,331.00 $ 951,972.00
Captain
1 $ 98,375.00 $ 1,180,500.00
2 $ 100,135.00 $ 1,201,620.00
Senior Captain
1 $ 101,928.00 $ 1,223,136.00
2 $ 103,758.00 $ 1,245,096.00
3 $ 105,624.00 $ 1,267,488.00
4 $ 107,528.00 $ 1,290,336.00
5 $ 109,469.00 $ 1,313,628.00
6 $ 111,450.00 $ 1,337,400.00
Note: The above salary scales for Cathay Pacific Airways are based on basic pay only and does not include variable or housing allowances. Tax is 16% on basic pay with various allowances.
Well here is some info taken from the following references and using todays exchange rate:
www.emiratesgroupcareers.com
and
http://www.askcaptainlim.com/aspilotsalarycathay.htm
Not taking either companies housing allowance into account; just looking at spondoolies here is the picture according to the references:
Emirates
Year 1 F/O 19660 AED/mth = 41555HKD/Mth = 498,660/Yr
Year 3 F/O 20857 AED/mth = 44085HKD/Mth = 529020/Yr
Year 1 Cap 28060 AED/Mth = 59310HKD/Mth = 711720/Yr
Year 8 Cap 34509 AED/Mth = 72941HKD/Mth = 875292/Yr
Looking at the scales below:
A 4 year Cathay S/O earns slightly more than a 3 Year EK F/O.
A Cathay F/O earns more than a starting EK Captain
'Obviously' Ek provides quicker promotion but a 3 Year Cathay Captain earns as much as a 13 Year Emirates Captain.
So whoever made the above * statement was nearly telling the truth. At least closer to the truth than EK when they spout about their basket of airlines and a competitive salary.
Ghost
==========================================================
This is the breakdown of Cathay Salaries in HKD from the reference:
Pilots Salary in Cathay Pacific Airways
Year Monthly (HK $) Annual (HK$)
Second Officer (SO)
1 $ 32,213.00 $ 386,556.00
2 $ 36,080.00 $ 432,960.00
3 $ 40,410.00 $ 484,920.00
4 $ 45,259.00 $ 543,108.00
Junior First Officer (JFO)
1 $ 49,421.00 $ 593,052.00
2 $ 55,352.00 $ 664,224.00
First Officer (FO)
1 $ 64,265.00 $ 771,180.00
2 $ 65,343.00 $ 784,116.00
3 $ 66,443.00 $ 797,316.00
4 $ 67,565.00 $ 810,780.00
Senior First Officer (SFO)
1 $ 69,854.00 $ 838,248.00
2 $ 71,639.00 $ 859,668.00
3 $ 73,478.00 $ 881,736.00
4 $ 75,371.00 $ 904,452.00
5 $ 77,322.00 $ 927,864.00
6 $ 79,331.00 $ 951,972.00
Captain
1 $ 98,375.00 $ 1,180,500.00
2 $ 100,135.00 $ 1,201,620.00
Senior Captain
1 $ 101,928.00 $ 1,223,136.00
2 $ 103,758.00 $ 1,245,096.00
3 $ 105,624.00 $ 1,267,488.00
4 $ 107,528.00 $ 1,290,336.00
5 $ 109,469.00 $ 1,313,628.00
6 $ 111,450.00 $ 1,337,400.00
Note: The above salary scales for Cathay Pacific Airways are based on basic pay only and does not include variable or housing allowances. Tax is 16% on basic pay with various allowances.
Last edited by Ghostflyer; 14th December 2006 at 03:05.
