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Old 22nd Jun 2006, 23:23
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Cool Crisis?What crisis???

If my memory is correct,I remember AS writing to us to advise that there were 25 applications a day to join EK which would explain why current pilots should remember that EK really is the future for all prospective FOs and DECs who naturally will not block any FO promotion.
Then we were told that the exponential rise in resignations over the last 24 months was due to pilots being "homesick" or they left for "personal of family reasons",even including the recently departed Chief Pilot but it did take him 14 years to discover that feeling.
So now that in the space of ONE week EK lose 10 (ten) Airbus Capts it must be the summer heat and the longing for home and family that cause this "spike" on the resignation graph.So,now instead of sending management wanabees around the world to drum up support( and a place in the office in the future lads) for new joiners,we lose experience through the front door and double the manpower need whilst the rest take up the load.
However,everything is rosy in the EK garden, expansion continues unabated and everybody is delighted with the inspirational man management plan put in place some 2.5 years ago by that nice man Mr K.
Crisis?What crisis?Or am I missing something?

How will those nice graphs explain this summer "spike"?
Off to the pub.
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Old 23rd Jun 2006, 01:09
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First I heard of ten Airbus captains leaving in one week. Can that be confirmed in anyway?
Crisis in full swing if confirmed.
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Cool

8 jetstar,Australia
1 ANA Cargo-LAX
1 Airbus-TLS

Total 10.
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The most amazing thing is that after talking to many of those who have, or are about to leave this year I have yet to talk to ONE that would have left if they could have had either an overseas base or a commuting roster. It seems glaringly obvious to me that Emirates per se is not the problem; most of the leavers/potential leavers would continue to fly for Emirates if only they could live elsewhere! When will they wake up?
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Clearly there are other jobs available that pay more, or perhaps have a bit more time off, and possibly better destinations, but I don't suppose that those malcontents who are constantly complaining about EK have ever really considered that just perhaps, some of these Captains just wanted a change of pace/scenery..
I also suspect that these same folks who are the constant complainers have never worked in the middle east before, so this all comes as a horrible shock, or possibly a nightmare.

Welcome to the club guys, it ain't the rosey garden you expected, now is it?
When you walked in the front door at EK, they expected you to actually work for your keep, and all of a sudden this comes as a complete surprise.

Now you know...for sure.
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411A-there is working for a living and then there is existing to live.ek do not give a sh#t about long term effects-they are all knee jerk reactions to the short term problem-as with this region no-one will take responsiblity for their actions.
any one can see that ek have got it wrong at the moment-over worked crews,resignations( not an issue but then they shouldnt keep saying all is ok ),grounded a/c,massive increase in sick days called in, and the list can continue.
this is the start of it-if ek dont wake up and smell the roses, or lack of, then they will be in for a rude awaking-by then it wont make any difference what the hard workers do-it will be too bl@@dy late!!!

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The decision to leave is a personal one. It is true that the people who resign leave for personal reasons. They do not leave because they want to prove a point, and they do not leave because they want to help the cause. In EK, and for that matter in most of the expatriate jobs, our union and our protection is our a..e

Emirates knows that the pilot body, is not one that rises to the extremes, nor are we likely to leave on the drop of a hat. It takes time and planning. They have probably miscalculated the number of people who would leave for personal reasons, and they have probably miscalculated the timing of the resignations.

What has being happening is that as the market is booming, and the airlines are crying for pilots, most of us that have being seriously looking have found jobs that suit us more than EK and suit the lifestyle we want as well.

EK management are lucky once again since the A380 has been delayed, so they will probably catch up, but then again I am no longer in the know to hear what is going on for sure.

It is not a shock any more to any one that EK is not a long term career, but rather a long or short term contract job. As such we all do the math and we see if it is worth it or not. EK does not have any more problems, or any less problems than most of the outfits that are in the contract job basket. It is not for sure a BA, or a Virgin, but it is no different to a lot of other contract jobs on offer.

Those that decide to stay at EK, stay for the similar reasons to the reasons colleagues of ours stay at United, US AIR, Delta, Ryanair, Easy Jet, Air Berlin, SAS, etc, etc.

If you speak to those pilots you shall hear that they are not happy with what is going on in their company, and they also see it coming to a grinding hault. People stay at their present employer for many reasons. Family stability, financial reasons (Over stretched with loans etc), comfort (Better the Devil you know than the one you do not), etc, etc.

Those of us that have made the move, and those that shall make the move to either leave Emirates or join Emirates are the optimists in life. We geniunly believe that the move we are making is a positive one, therfore we are probably more positive sounding about the new company we have joined and about life in general.

I have seen through the years, that as one achieves his /her personal goals he / she evolves and requires different things. Our colleagues who are joining Emirates are at a different stage in their path, so may be it suits them. I do not know of any one that sees Emirates as a long term career any more, but then again I never thought that I would have done 10 plus years as well

I see Emirates for what it is, and not for what I thought it was. I left not because I was dissapointed (which I was), but because I found something better for my family and I, and I was willing to make the move because I did not have two cars and party loans, and I had enough in my bank and provident fund to make the move.

My friends who have stayed back, have also stayed for personal reasons, and not because Emirates is such a delightfull place. They believe that the present situation in Dubai is what suits their family needs, more than their career needs.

Interesting times ahead....
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Second round of job offers from Jetstar today. I am not in the loop, but believe that these will be the lesser paid non training jobs. This will tell us just a little more about what some people are willing to accept to escape the sandpit and return to civilization.
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Driver, I must say a very good and well considered post!

Sums up most of our situations nicely....

I've always said you must come out here for the right reasons and that most certainly shouldn't be for the perceived 'gloss' of Emirates.

I joined simply to get out of the UK, not just for personal/family reasons, but because the stupid country was pissing me off.

Dubai is by no means perfect, but my family and I are much happier with a better standard of living here than we could ever achieve 'back home'.

For us its working out, for others it doesn't....simple really!
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Old 26th Jun 2006, 10:25
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recently departed

months was due to pilots being "homesick" or they left for "personal of family reasons",even including the recently departed Chief Pilot but it did take him 14 years to discover that feeling.


..................Where did the chief pilot go????
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Old 26th Jun 2006, 10:51
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Angry High Rates of Homesickness in EK

To answer your question, the ex-chief pilot got so homesick here in Dubai that he resigned to join...

Etihad! (Seems a change is as good as a holiday)

Oh, another TRE resignation yesterday, no doubt for personal reasons.
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Old 26th Jun 2006, 12:05
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recently moved.....

ETIHAD?!!

That's convinient ! Change in p.o. box number only eh?

Will he be able to affect changes there?
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What about the 50 or so about to be offered slots with Korean based in their home countries.....................
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