EK: B777 Off Taxiway in Manila
EK: B777 Off Taxiway in Manila
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If my memory serves me right,during Taxiway closures in Manila, especially the ones at the end, the countrys Carrier Phil Airlines 747 and 340s(w/c is as lengthy as the 777) are towed into the Runway and the trucks do the turn for them. This Procedure came up during one of their Simulator sessions on the 747, did the 180 turn and found out that its Nose wheel will be touching a portion outside the runway,since then this procedure has been incorporated during taxiway closures on a heavy weight take-off, w/c for sure necessitates a full rwy t/o run. ATC is in coordination, so traffic will be adjusted during the process.
Does Emirates have options to do the same?
Does Emirates have options to do the same?
Not defending crew, however it was not a DEC, guy of 10-12 yrs , and experienced F/o......mistakes happen, don't know what happened, and I'm fairly sure you dont either......
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MOST OF THE GUYS HERE ON PPRUNE WHINING AND COMPLAINING ALL THE TIME AND SHOWING NO SYMPATHY TO COLLEAGUES ARE JUST F...... A...... AND LOOSERS.
Sorry for this guys but enough is enoug
Sorry for this guys but enough is enoug
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Exacta Mundo Hans, maybe some of these know it all turds should take a good long look at their house or villa and see that it is still made of glass.
Pity the poor brothers involved. Now they have to contend with these
's in management who have got all the "answers" why it happened.
Pity the poor brothers involved. Now they have to contend with these
's in management who have got all the "answers" why it happened.
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Yes, confirmed on the portal.
And to those who love to throw disparaging comments at fellow EK drivers, before knowing what happened, be aware that one day you maybe in that situation and would you like uninformed comment flung your way ???
no i didn't think so!
EGGW
And to those who love to throw disparaging comments at fellow EK drivers, before knowing what happened, be aware that one day you maybe in that situation and would you like uninformed comment flung your way ???
no i didn't think so!
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You are making the wild assumption that the people commenting here actually have anything to do with Emirates.
Surely it is called operational risk. (yeah I know; don't call you shirley) Under another banner, **** happens, the world isn't perfect and I am pretty certain the boys were not trying to screw up. It happened, we will learn from it and no serious harm has been done.
Surely it is called operational risk. (yeah I know; don't call you shirley) Under another banner, **** happens, the world isn't perfect and I am pretty certain the boys were not trying to screw up. It happened, we will learn from it and no serious harm has been done.
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Ghostflyer
On what basis do you assume we are going to learn from this incident. You must subscribe to the same management school as TCAS. He seems to think if you put an email out as soon as possible, telling everyone there has been an incident, then he has fulfilled his obligation to maintaining flight safety. Can you tell me one incident where there has been a published report coming out of EK on what happened and why.
I know for a fact that the training department has asked to be provided with de-identified information from flight safety so that the scenarios can be used in the sim. The response from flight safety was that they didn't want to release that sort of information.
Flight Safety my @rse!
On what basis do you assume we are going to learn from this incident. You must subscribe to the same management school as TCAS. He seems to think if you put an email out as soon as possible, telling everyone there has been an incident, then he has fulfilled his obligation to maintaining flight safety. Can you tell me one incident where there has been a published report coming out of EK on what happened and why.
I know for a fact that the training department has asked to be provided with de-identified information from flight safety so that the scenarios can be used in the sim. The response from flight safety was that they didn't want to release that sort of information.
Flight Safety my @rse!
Can anyone confirm Cessna1052s statement about the Local carrier at this airport being towed for the runway 180s?
If this could be confirmed it might help stop this type of incident happening here again.
Don
If this could be confirmed it might help stop this type of incident happening here again.
Don
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Oh Dear
Well boyz, not sure if the portal site has been blocked for the outbound leg? Can't seem to get in? Censored? 
However gotto say management did inform the portal of the incident asap....good
Just be aware of employing anybody to suite the budget, fortunately just a nosewheel replacement....Remember we R bush (sand) pilots at the end of the day and common sense prevails!
However gotto say management did inform the portal of the incident asap....good Just be aware of employing anybody to suite the budget, fortunately just a nosewheel replacement....Remember we R bush (sand) pilots at the end of the day and common sense prevails!
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Vorsicht,
What do you want? TCAS put out an E-mail to tell us that there was an incident but everyone was ok. Next we get the ASR that says what happened. Read it first and then decide whether or not you can learn something. I won't try to defend what you say about Flight Safety releases to the Training Department but I'll believe you if you have it first hand. Must be osmosis but I am pretty sure that no one is using the 'old' rotation technique.
I cannot believe I am going to write this!
As far as information flow about incidents is concerned, TCAS seems to be heading in the right direction. TCK covered everything up (I only knew he had screwed the pooch when he got sacked), atleast TCAS seems to give us an early heads up of what has happened and I await the report with interest. Under the old regime we were always the last to know anything.
Schnowzer
What do you want? TCAS put out an E-mail to tell us that there was an incident but everyone was ok. Next we get the ASR that says what happened. Read it first and then decide whether or not you can learn something. I won't try to defend what you say about Flight Safety releases to the Training Department but I'll believe you if you have it first hand. Must be osmosis but I am pretty sure that no one is using the 'old' rotation technique.
I cannot believe I am going to write this!
As far as information flow about incidents is concerned, TCAS seems to be heading in the right direction. TCK covered everything up (I only knew he had screwed the pooch when he got sacked), atleast TCAS seems to give us an early heads up of what has happened and I await the report with interest. Under the old regime we were always the last to know anything.
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Can anyone confirm Cessna1052s statement about the Local carrier at this airport being towed for the runway 180s?
If this could be confirmed it might help stop this type of incident happening here again.
Don
If this could be confirmed it might help stop this type of incident happening here again.
Don
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re one eighty in manila
Yes it was procedure for PR at one time, taxiway H2 in was closed so that required airlines with max t/o departures to have themselves towed to do the one eighty in order to use the full runway, we were behind one such departure and it did take up a lot of time, was fun to watch though. Later the procedure was scrapped because two flights (one PR A340 and one KL 777) did manage to get their nosewheels off the pavement again. the madness stopped when the taxiway opened again sending everyone off the normal merry way.
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I'll tell you what i want. I want reports published by our safety department that tell us what happened, why it happened and what we or the company have done/can do, to avoid it happening again.
Our abreviated and censored safety reports do very little to inform anyone of what actually happened. Why? Because they are only the crews version and they are published before any investigation has taken place.
I'll tell you what i want. I want reports published by our safety department that tell us what happened, why it happened and what we or the company have done/can do, to avoid it happening again.
Our abreviated and censored safety reports do very little to inform anyone of what actually happened. Why? Because they are only the crews version and they are published before any investigation has taken place.
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I came out of MNL last month with the same restriction in place. Looked at the 180 turn on the runway. It should fit, the runway is 45 wide but there is extra where the taxiway joins. Also, I have found the er nose wheel tends tro skip in tight turns, increasing the radius We were at max ZFW (237) and 100 tons so pretty heavy. Decided against the turn, went from the intersection and still got full assumed benefit.
Prob most important, the Notam has no info about the length remaining from the intersection. The tower's initial clearance was for T/O from the inset.
When we asked for length remaining for the calc's, tower had no idea, took him a few minutes to find out.
I think the guys have been not been helped by:
Completely inadequate notam.
Lack of knowledge from the tower
I know the driver, he is a professional who does not push the limits, will be interesting to find his thoughts
Prob most important, the Notam has no info about the length remaining from the intersection. The tower's initial clearance was for T/O from the inset.
When we asked for length remaining for the calc's, tower had no idea, took him a few minutes to find out.
I think the guys have been not been helped by:
Completely inadequate notam.
Lack of knowledge from the tower
I know the driver, he is a professional who does not push the limits, will be interesting to find his thoughts