EK: B777 Off Taxiway in Manila
Would you believe that the notam was time expired the day before, and had not been reissued to the crew about the intersection departure. The OPT says intersection departures not to be done, and the taxiway at the end of the runway had been blocked and not available to the crew to use in the 180. It had rained in the previous 1hr. I believe the runway is stated to be 60m wide. I think the ER is quoted to need 56 and a bit meters (?) to turn around.
Sounds like a whole bunch of holes lining up to me. I totaly agree with singleseater about the professionalism of the grumpy old bugga that was driving on this flight.
I hope this gets sorted quickly and that both the FO and Capt get back on line ASAP.
Don
Sounds like a whole bunch of holes lining up to me. I totaly agree with singleseater about the professionalism of the grumpy old bugga that was driving on this flight.
I hope this gets sorted quickly and that both the FO and Capt get back on line ASAP.
Don
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History repeats again....we expats in GF on the L1011 achieved several such incidents of off runway and taxy way nose wheels and main wheels buried in the grass, even sink through of main gears through soft taxy way surfaces.
I think the management thought we were trying to get time off down route.
Later on the B767 a national pilot we had trained did better he destroyed a hangar and blasted several light aircraft over and turned them into scrap.
There was some debate if he should have been allowed to paint a symbol of this strike beneath the cockpit side window like the military are allowed to do.
You emirates boys will have to try hard to equal the cock up of our abandon takeoff due burst tyres in the L1011 at CDG. left gear destroyed down to a strut that ploughed a single furrow down the runway. Captian ex BA retiree
was trained to abandon for a tyre burst...rumour is the French were still argueing compensation for closeing the runway with GF over that one but it all went away when GF bought Airbuses.
We also managed a stick shaker on the L1011 on finals into CDG. Australian Captain later fleet Captain (of course) was ex Cyprus airways.
Also an ex Cyprus Captain was the F/o and an ex Dan Air flight engineer....remarkably the flight engineer was heavily blamed for not monitoring! Go figure...as Ironbutt would say.
So there you go....what has been learned from these incidents by ex GF management who now manage other Gulf Airlines after they were replaced wholesale after the A320 fatal crash? It appears not a lot.
Fuel wise in GF we managed to take off from Bahrain on a flight to Bombay in a L1011 with 15 tons of fuel on board instead of 51 tons. This was a national flight engineer training flight with commercial passengers on a scheduled service... the training Captain and training flight engineer were involved in deep L1011 technical debate whilst signing for this verbally requested fuel load. This flight landed somewhat promptly into Auh to pick up fuel when the national under training pointed out his very first "How goes it" chart check said it was "Not going to well" in fact it said they were not going to make it!
We even had an Ex BA training Captain take off on Bahrain runway 30 for Bombay in a VC10 and ATC called him as he neared Kuwait requesting when he intended to turn right as per their clearance.
You emirates chaps have got to go some to keep up with the incidents we pulled.......fatigue is a myth...tiredness is normal.... it is all good fun...hardest part is trying to stay awake.
I will watch your incident progress with interest to see if you can pull somethying out of the hat to beat what we achieved.
I think the management thought we were trying to get time off down route.
Later on the B767 a national pilot we had trained did better he destroyed a hangar and blasted several light aircraft over and turned them into scrap.
There was some debate if he should have been allowed to paint a symbol of this strike beneath the cockpit side window like the military are allowed to do.
You emirates boys will have to try hard to equal the cock up of our abandon takeoff due burst tyres in the L1011 at CDG. left gear destroyed down to a strut that ploughed a single furrow down the runway. Captian ex BA retiree
was trained to abandon for a tyre burst...rumour is the French were still argueing compensation for closeing the runway with GF over that one but it all went away when GF bought Airbuses.
We also managed a stick shaker on the L1011 on finals into CDG. Australian Captain later fleet Captain (of course) was ex Cyprus airways.
Also an ex Cyprus Captain was the F/o and an ex Dan Air flight engineer....remarkably the flight engineer was heavily blamed for not monitoring! Go figure...as Ironbutt would say.
So there you go....what has been learned from these incidents by ex GF management who now manage other Gulf Airlines after they were replaced wholesale after the A320 fatal crash? It appears not a lot.
Fuel wise in GF we managed to take off from Bahrain on a flight to Bombay in a L1011 with 15 tons of fuel on board instead of 51 tons. This was a national flight engineer training flight with commercial passengers on a scheduled service... the training Captain and training flight engineer were involved in deep L1011 technical debate whilst signing for this verbally requested fuel load. This flight landed somewhat promptly into Auh to pick up fuel when the national under training pointed out his very first "How goes it" chart check said it was "Not going to well" in fact it said they were not going to make it!
We even had an Ex BA training Captain take off on Bahrain runway 30 for Bombay in a VC10 and ATC called him as he neared Kuwait requesting when he intended to turn right as per their clearance.
You emirates chaps have got to go some to keep up with the incidents we pulled.......fatigue is a myth...tiredness is normal.... it is all good fun...hardest part is trying to stay awake.
I will watch your incident progress with interest to see if you can pull somethying out of the hat to beat what we achieved.
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You forgot to mention the GF B767 Heavy Landing at Amsterdam costing millions to repair about 11 years ago by the then boss of GF and now of Etihad which i believe he repeated on an A340 (but that may be a rumour only) as I had left GF by then.
You forgot to mention the GF B767 Heavy Landing at Amsterdam costing millions to repair about 11 years ago by the then boss of GF and now of Etihad which i believe he repeated on an A340 (but that may be a rumour only) as I had left GF by then.
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Yes...But he did offer to pay for it....not many of us can do that!
Apparently he does not like GF much these days either.
Told the heavy landing was in Doha and not reported...next landing in AMS saw heavy fuel leaks and Dutch required them fixed...engineer team flown from Bahrain....officially this never happened...my neighbour was on the team..he has now died....big cover up.... so I do not think you will find it in any GF flight safety records or Oman ASR.
Apparently he does not like GF much these days either.
Told the heavy landing was in Doha and not reported...next landing in AMS saw heavy fuel leaks and Dutch required them fixed...engineer team flown from Bahrain....officially this never happened...my neighbour was on the team..he has now died....big cover up.... so I do not think you will find it in any GF flight safety records or Oman ASR.
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GF...........Ah yes.
Remember the Tristar at Colombo with a local Captain that used a somewhat inappropriate runway intersection which was not quite long enough for the planned departure. The aircraft spent the latter part of the take off roll mowing the grass after leaving the end of the runway before finally becoming airborne. The Captain subsequently had a long career as a trainer in GF.
.....The stick shaker event at CDG - the erstwhile "MD". The most serious chain smoker ever seen. But a lovely guy, unfortunately no longer with us.
In fairness to EK though, they have had a few "rippers". The A310 has provided some excitement on more than one occasion and the not so funny A340 at Jo'burg shows that these sorts of things can happen to any airline.
Remember the Tristar at Colombo with a local Captain that used a somewhat inappropriate runway intersection which was not quite long enough for the planned departure. The aircraft spent the latter part of the take off roll mowing the grass after leaving the end of the runway before finally becoming airborne. The Captain subsequently had a long career as a trainer in GF.
.....The stick shaker event at CDG - the erstwhile "MD". The most serious chain smoker ever seen. But a lovely guy, unfortunately no longer with us.
In fairness to EK though, they have had a few "rippers". The A310 has provided some excitement on more than one occasion and the not so funny A340 at Jo'burg shows that these sorts of things can happen to any airline.
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I remember EK trying to sqeeze a B 777 into a gate that was limited to a DC 10 only at Manilla.
They got away with it with a lot of luck.
verry, verry poor planning from S****m J*****i
Anyway he got demoted and couldn't cope with it and started the backstabbing.
They got away with it with a lot of luck.
verry, verry poor planning from S****m J*****i
Anyway he got demoted and couldn't cope with it and started the backstabbing.
